Vending Machines / Regional Loot

[twix (DayZ) 24]

I already have, which is why I used the word "authentic" instead of "realistic"

http://dayzmod.com/f...nect/#entry7140

And magical vending machines that teleport crates that players have for some reason teamed up to collect gear into isn't authentic to the Dayz universe.

It isn't authentic to any post-apocalyptic situation.

I guarantee if the world were to end, you wouldn't see people teaming up to collect goodies from supermarkets, put them into crates, and then give them to other people.

You will see people fighting each other for those goodies and a lot of chaos everywhere.

So it's better to fight rather than to help? To fight is to put oneself in a dire situation asking for a shot in the head whereas to help and get things restored would be a less riskier option. Here's how I look at it,

Bandit thoughts: Survival of the Fittest

Survivor thoughts: So if I end up killing everyone I will be the last man standing. Sure way to end the human race whether it be a team of bandits even, it is not an option that has a very bright future. Perhaps I could restore some services with the likely hood of other survivors with the same mindset.

It's a choice whether you want to help restore services in an area or not. Hence authenticity varies from one person to another. There is no definite measure to it.

[im123 2]

How about just adding vending machines, which have useless loot; things you don't need at all - plush toys; cigs - keep you warm, but take 1 blood every second; casino chips; MMM cash - a popular financial pyramid, that appeared after the USSR collapsed; blankets - warm you a bit, but force you to walk, not run; toy cars, etc.

You would need a crowbar to pry it open and would give you only junk items (minimal to no utility, though would love to have toy cars that have 2 units of inventory for trading, adding C4 and grenades, etc.).

Make junk loot in them spawn very rare. The point? I've seen a lot of requests for achivements, this could be a something like that (though without the steam or any other formal recognition - only the respect/hatred of the person who looted your corpse).

[twix (DayZ) 24]

How about just adding vending machines, which have useless loot...

Pretty much most of the games implement the vending machine as a useless item. I am totally against this, how dare they create those pixels and render it useless. The closest thing to having a decent implementation of the vending machine would be from the fallout universe i.e. the sierra madre vending machine. So i will be trying to build up some elements from that area into the Dayz universe. Here's what I could come up with:

Perhaps make it into an alternate trading hub

and/or

Drop off point for all the stockpiled loot you don't have much use for to redeem something.

and/or

codes to redeem special items. Codes are dropped from zombies.

and/or

blueprints to upgrade your vehicle or base

and/or

keys which can be used to access/open up further loot spots in a town

and/or

implement some sort of crafting mechanic

Edited August 8, 2012 by twix

[Badjr 44]

So it's better to fight rather than to help? To fight is to put oneself in a dire situation asking for a shot in the head whereas to help and get things restored would be a less riskier option. Here's how I look at it,

Bandit thoughts: Survival of the Fittest

Survivor thoughts: So if I end up killing everyone I will be the last man standing. Sure way to end the human race whether it be a team of bandits even, it is not an option that has a very bright future. Perhaps I could restore some services with the likely hood of other survivors with the same mindset.

It's a choice whether you want to help restore services in an area or not. Hence authenticity varies from one person to another. There is no definite measure to it.

Helping out strangers is asking for a shot in the head in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

Survival is a short-range desire. When your in a situation where safety and survival is an issue, you aren't looking at survival of the human race you're looking at your own survival and the survival of those you care about.

In real apocalyptic scenarios outright murder wouldn't be as prevalent, but that is only because you can easily subdue others without having to kill them.

This would lead to allowing others to prove themselves to gain entry into your group.

Have you ever heard of the Aztec?

They accepted and treated strangers like friends, and this is why they are no longer around.

They trusted the Spanish conquistadors, invited them into their culture, then they were killed and all their gold was taken.

Same for the Native Americans and their land.

Some of us know how people really are, and are able to learn from history.

Others will die from their ignorance of it.

[twix (DayZ) 24]

Helping out strangers is asking for a shot in the head in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

Survival is a short-range desire. When your in a situation where safety and survival is an issue, you aren't looking at survival of the human race you're looking at your own survival and the survival of those you care about.

In real apocalyptic scenarios outright murder wouldn't be as prevalent, but that is only because you can easily subdue others without having to kill them.

This would lead to allowing others to prove themselves to gain entry into your group.

Have you ever heard of the Aztec?

They accepted and treated strangers like friends, and this is why they are no longer around.

They trusted the Spanish conquistadors, invited them into their culture, then they were killed and all their gold was taken.

Same for the Native Americans and their land.

Some of us know how people really are, and are able to learn from history.

Others will die from their ignorance of it.

It was not a survival aspect that drove them to conquer the Aztec and the Native Americans. Surely they survived before invading the lands. It was greed that drove them to conquer in the case with the Native Americans and it was revenge in the case with the Spaniards.

Say what if you plundered enough wealth for yourself would you keep it to yourself when you came across a lone survivor barely able to walk on his feet. Say why does Bill Gates run all those charities or why do some rich people prefer to help rather than not help at all? Surely not everyone is as bad as you think. In a post-apocalyptic scenario it would be the same just as in real life, you would have both the good and the bad people a.k.a bandits and survivors.

Nowhere in history does it mention on how to survive a zombie apocalypse, but if you look at an actual apocalypse such as World War II what was the end result? People got together to rebuild society.

[Badjr 44]

It was not a survival aspect that drove them to conquer the Aztec and the Native Americans. Surely they survived before invading the lands. It was greed that drove them to conquer in the case with the Native Americans and it was revenge in the case with the Spaniards.

Say what if you plundered enough wealth for yourself would you keep it to yourself when you came across a lone survivor barely able to walk on his feet. Say why does Bill Gates run all those charities or why do some rich people prefer to help rather than not help at all? Surely not everyone is as bad as you think. In a post-apocalyptic scenario it would be the same just as in real life, you would have both the good and the bad people a.k.a bandits and survivors.

Nowhere in history does it mention on how to survive a zombie apocalypse, but if you look at an actual apocalypse such as World War II what was the end result? People got together to rebuild society.

You missed the point of my examples

The conquistadors killed off the Aztecs because they wouldn't bow down and repent to their "word of God".

They took this as rejection of their god and killed them for it.

The gold and land the Aztecs posessed was also a motivator. Revenge wasn't.

The native americans welcomed the European settlers with open arms, teaching the early settlers proper farming methods for this different environment.

The native americans were driven out of their land by the European settlers because they wanted their land. This lead to a massive amount of deaths for the native americans.

When there is no set of rules or consequences to keep people in line, the nice guys finish last.

To say that nice guys don't finish last is to turn a blind eye to the nature of this world.

I think you've been watching too much Disney.

World War 2 was not an apocalypse, it wasn't even close.

An apocalypse would require a massive destruction of global infrastructure.

This would require telephone/electricity not working, hospitals closed, plumbing systems out of order.

Sounds like you're drawing your "facts" from the History Channel, where the sources are shady and uncited...Also, ALIENS!

[twix (DayZ) 24]

You missed the point of my examples

The conquistadors killed off the Aztecs because they wouldn't bow down and repent to their "word of God".

They took this as rejection of their god and killed them for it.

The gold and land the Aztecs posessed was also a motivator. Revenge wasn't.

The native americans welcomed the European settlers with open arms, teaching the early settlers proper farming methods for this different environment.

The native americans were driven out of their land by the European settlers because they wanted their land. This lead to a massive amount of deaths for the native americans.

When there is no set of rules or consequences to keep people in line, the nice guys finish last.

To say that nice guys don't finish last is to turn a blind eye to the nature of this world.

I think you've been watching too much Disney.

World War 2 was not an apocalypse, it wasn't even close.

An apocalypse would require a massive destruction of global infrastructure.

This would require telephone/electricity not working, hospitals closed, plumbing systems out of order.

Sounds like you're drawing your "facts" from the History Channel, where the sources are shady and uncited...Also, ALIENS!

I believe you missed the point of what I was trying to point out from the point you were trying to point out in your example. It was not a survival aspect that drove them to conquer. Would they have behaved in a different way if both of them were in need of one another's help in order to survive or just prefer to have a stalemate and just wither away. I would choose to help. Oh and Disney is banned in my country cause its overrated.

As for World War 2 not being an apocalypse... I believe you are the next Hitler.

[Badjr 44]

I believe you missed the point of what I was trying to point out from the point you were trying to point out in your example. It was not a survival aspect that drove them to conquer. Would they have behaved in a different way if both of them were in need of one another's help in order to survive or just prefer to have a stalemate and just wither away. I would choose to help. Oh and Disney is banned in my country cause its overrated.

As for World War 2 not being an apocalypse... I believe you are the next Hitler.

Yes, but vending machines aren't necessary in order to survive.

If people were to ban together to get vending machines running, one party would be getting the loot, and the rest would be dead after doing all the work.

Thinking people will join together and help each other is naive.

What will happen is: One group will get enought strength and weapons to supress the other groups, the other groups will then do what the stronger group wants them to(or try to escape/rise up), then strong groups will be dominated by stronger groups.

If you want a better idea of what it looks like, check out most areas in Africa where the natives are struggling to survive and there is no government or government is lacking in the area.

I am not Hitler, I am the Melon Lord Muahahahahahaha

EDIT: Also, Godwin's Law

Edited August 9, 2012 by Badjr

[twix (DayZ) 24]

Yes, but vending machines aren't necessary in order to survive.

If people were to ban together to get vending machines running, one party would be getting the loot, and the rest would be dead after doing all the work.

Thinking people will join together and help each other is naive.

Sure vending machines aren't a necessity for your survival but they do exist and hopefully they fit into the lore somehow. Just kinda like what liquidcactus pointed out in his post seeing a vending machine gave him the chills. What if he were captured by bandits and stuffed into the vending machine only to have the next survivor kill him in the process and dispense his body parts. That's sort of stuff is a bandit's wet dream.

It would perhaps be naive to join random's in a game but for someone who is fully geared up with not much end game mechanics to add to why not have something else implemented to spend some time on. It's your choice if you would like to get things running either for yourself or a clan and defend the area. You are well aware of the risks and the rewards. Perhaps you can have it linked to your humanity in some way if you choose to help others. But at the end the choice is yours, but I would prefer to have a choice rather than have it the way it is cause that's what the forums are for.

[Badjr 44]

Sure vending machines aren't a necessity for your survival but they do exist and hopefully they fit into the lore somehow. Just kinda like what liquidcactus pointed out in his post seeing a vending machine gave him the chills. What if he were captured by bandits and stuffed into the vending machine only to have the next survivor kill him in the process and dispense his body parts. That's sort of stuff is a bandit's wet dream.

It would perhaps be naive to join random's in a game but for someone who is fully geared up with not much end game mechanics to add to why not have something else implemented to spend some time on. It's your choice if you would like to get things running either for yourself or a clan and defend the area. You are well aware of the risks and the rewards. Perhaps you can have it linked to your humanity in some way if you choose to help others. But at the end the choice is yours, but I would prefer to have a choice rather than have it the way it is cause that's what the forums are for.

Encountering a vending machine would go like this: See vending machine, Break into vending machine, leave

It wouldn't be some "lets shove a bunch of crap we found on the ground into crates that vanish into thin air"

Nobody would be stocking up the vending machine after the innitial raiding of it, it would be left broken(or to respawn loot in the case of a game).

The vending machine gave him chills because he hadn't seen it before.

Its like walking into your house and finding a statue of Socrates. Out of the ordinary and slightly suspicious.

This is different from actually putting in vending machines(which they would announce ahead of time)

That would be like ordering a statue of Socrates and then finding it on your doorstep.

The only thing a system like this would do is give players one more place to camp for noobs.

[magmatrix 38]

codes to redeem special items. Codes are dropped from zombies.

keys which can be used to access/open up further loot spots in a town

Redeem codes, reward items handed out by magic vending machines, bonus levels, ...

Please tell me you are joking. :|

[twix (DayZ) 24]

The only thing a system like this would do is give players one more place to camp for noobs.

Supermarkets are pretty much hotspots already. So try not to stroll through the front door and not expect a firefight.

[twix (DayZ) 24]

Redeem codes, reward items handed out by magic vending machines, bonus levels, ...

Please tell me you are joking. :|

So how would you go about making the vending machine useful? Please dont tell me not with those ideas.

[magmatrix 38]

Helping out strangers is asking for a shot in the head in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

Survival is a short-range desire. When your in a situation where safety and survival is an issue, you aren't looking at survival of the human race you're looking at your own survival and the survival of those you care about.

In real apocalyptic scenarios outright murder wouldn't be as prevalent, but that is only because you can easily subdue others without having to kill them.

This would lead to allowing others to prove themselves to gain entry into your group.

Some of us know how people really are, and are able to learn from history.

Others will die from their ignorance of it.

Oh my, Badjr... I don't know which psychotic country you live in, but i can assure you that where i come from, people would team up against the zombies. What's the point in killing some of my neighbours for a can of beans (and then someone kills me for revenge) when we can simply work together and build a barricade to keep the zombies out and then start a small farm so we may all eat good food around our campfire and be all without troubles?

[magmatrix 38]

So how would you go about making the vending machine useful? Please dont tell me not with those ideas.

1. Since there is no electricity in post-apocalyptic Chernarus, a vending machine wouldn't work at all.

2. Even with electricity it would be useless, since if you want to give away stuff you could simply put it on the ground or whatever. The economical system is no more, so selling items to get coins is pointless.

So, i don't see any use for a player driven vending machine.

[Badjr 44]

Supermarkets are pretty much hotspots already. So try not to stroll through the front door and not expect a firefight.

I rarely get into firefights around supermarkets.

In fact, I rarely get into firefights in large cities period.

That could just be because I go about anything strategically and with the assumption that players are everywhere.

Oh my, Badjr... I don't know which psychotic country you live in, but i can assure you that where i come from, people would team up against the zombies. What's the point in killing some of my neighbours for a can of beans (and then someone kills me for revenge) when we can simply work together and build a barricade to keep the zombies out and then start a small farm so we may all eat good food around our campfire and be all without troubles?

Are your neightbors complete strangers to you?

Can you only find enough supplies for a handful of people to be able to survive off of?

Do you know anything about farming and how much time and energy it takes to produce enough food to sustain you?

This is not a scenario just after infrastructure falls and supplies are everywhere.

This is where you don't know any of the people you encounter, you have no idea what their intentions are, food is scarce, and resources are dwindling.

Your group is hungry, hasn't eaten for days. You come across a single can of beans, a meal that wouldn't even feed one of your people. Another group is in the same state and sees the can of beans as well.

If you say you'd share the beans then you have never been on the brink of starvation, and you have no idea what kind of desperation it brings with it.

A man will kill to allow him and his own to survive, that's how nature works. You aren't going to change that thinking like some PC tv show.

your still thinking with the mindset of abundance that is the present, and not the mindset of scarcity that is the post-apocalyptic world

[twix (DayZ) 24]

This is not a scenario just after infrastructure falls and supplies are everywhere.

This is where you don't know any of the people you encounter, you have no idea what their intentions are, food is scarce, and resources are dwindling.

Your group is hungry, hasn't eaten for days. You come across a single can of beans, a meal that wouldn't even feed one of your people. Another group is in the same state and sees the can of beans as well.

If you say you'd share the beans then you have never been on the brink of starvation, and you have no idea what kind of desperation it brings with it.

A man will kill to allow him and his own to survive, that's how nature works. You aren't going to change that thinking like some PC tv show.

your still thinking with the mindset of abundance that is the present, and not the mindset of scarcity that is the post-apocalyptic world

Yes desperation makes you do stuff you probably thought you wouldn't think you would do ever. But that doesn't necessarily mean you are going to kill one of your group to survive. A better suggestion would be to take turns scavenging food or seek rescue by coordinating the strongest survivors in the group. If you were to think all hope is lost then you would do the irrational, but if you had at least a little hope you may think, perhaps maybe there might be a chance to save yourself and the group without having to resort to killing one and another. You would be comforted by the fact that at least you didn't resort to killing one another only to either find supplies to help yourself and the group because it's a selfless thing to do cause if I would have brought about the death of a fellow survivor by not sharing my food I would have to shoulder that burden for the rest of my life if I survived such an event. If I died at least my last thoughts wouldn't be plagued with such memories. It's easy to do the selfish and irrational thing i.e. kill off one another but it takes massive willpower and balls of steel to endure through such harsh times.

Here's a good story about the survival of a group of survivors. Just because they had to resort to cannibalism doesn't necessarily mean they had to kill off one another to survive.

http://www.wired.com...sm-plane-crash/

Edit: What you describe is the mindset of a tyrant, not that of a survivor.

Edited August 9, 2012 by twix

[Markthomson 0]

I think your idea is great and i am fully agreed with you.These type of items should be taken under consideration.Breathalyzer Vending Machine

[twix (DayZ) 24]

I think your idea is great and i am fully agreed with you.These type of items should be taken under consideration.Breathalyzer Vending Machine

Damn, those on and off buttons really turn me on.

[Tsmyth82 1]

Thats a terible idea, I doesnt make any sence why would you want a vending machine to store your stuff into?

[twix (DayZ) 24]

Thats a terible idea, I doesnt make any sence why would you want a vending machine to store your stuff into?

The crates are used to store the goods, not the vending machine.