The myth ''It's only a video game''

[AzinGaming 60]

To AzinGaming -

I find it rather amusing how many assumptions you make on my case. You talk like you know everything and even more disturbing, like you know me from one single topic.

The more you talk the more I feel sad for you. You seem like a very blind person who only see the world with the mental filter you have built yourself over time.

Please don't waste your feelings on being sad for me. Trust me, I have no interest in your 'sympathy.' Nor do I believe that you feel any actual sadness. Even if you did, then knowing what I do about how much you 'feel' for getting shot in a computer game, I really don't care at all.

Claiming that I have a big ego (when you clearly seem to have the biggest one on this topic), that I should stop playing video games because I take them too seriously, or even better, that I have stupid beliefs, it clearly brings to wonder what kind of men you are. To me, you just try to act cool and brilliant when, in fact, you are just a disrespectful immature person.

I am cool, and I am also brilliant.

And you should stop playing video games because you do take them too seriously. That you can even begin to equate what someone does by clicking a mouse in a silly zombie game with real life proves this.

I started this topic peacefully, not trying to attack anybody, just raising questions, and now you come here attacking me for no fucking reason. What's your problem seriously? Projecting yourself into others, maybe?

No, actually you started it in a 'I believe in karma, and therefore if you do bad things to me then bad things will happen to you!' If you don't see how absurd and insulting that is, then get a grip. You actually believe that bad things might happen to people because they shot you in a video game. You are insane.

Let me 'lol' at your face man. You don't know shit about me. You are wrong on every aspects of your teenager analysis.

I'd happily stand by everything I've said. You've managed to find no counter arguments whatsoever. You remain, to me and the rest of the community, an object of ridicule.

[AzinGaming 60]

I think this statement would work for most games out there, but it doesn't entirely apply to Dayz. Simply because almost everyone is addicted to this game because they can feel emotions with it. The perma-death system is mostly what makes this mod so entertaining.

You cannot detach yourself from something when you feel emotions from it. This just doesn't make sense.

You feel emotions because you are overly engaged with it.

I don't feel anything when I play it, because I understand that it's just a video game.

If there is any fault with anyone in the situations you describe, then it's entirely with those who do not know how to limit how much they feel towards a virtual experience.

[gizm0 96]

If I saw you in the street, I would not rob you. If I was in a post apocalypse and saw a stranger with a gun, then I would kill him and steal his gun. You would try to help me, I would shoot you.

So you would also kill miltary strangers with guns because you would rather let humanity die off just to live a few extra days than take a risk and maybe give humanity a better chance of surviving and moving on after the event?

[stord 74]

I'd happily stand by everything I've said. You've managed to find no counter arguments whatsoever. You remain, to me and the rest of the community, an object of ridicule.

Hahaha, what a clown you must be in person.

I like how you manage to appropriate yourself the thoughts of an entire community.

You're clearly just acting like a troll and nothing that you've said will bring in an adequate debate since all you do is attacking me personally. The fun part is you actually accuse me of attacking you in the first place by claiming Karma is real. Brilliant, just like you said.

You feel emotions because you are overly engaged with it.

I don't feel anything when I play it, because I understand that it's just a video game.

Well, good for you man.

For me, and probably a lot of people, I do things to actually FEEL something.

Maybe the fact you don't feel anything at all doesn't only relate to video games?

Edited August 6, 2012 by StOrD

[tuleg1t 50]

Hi everyone,

most of you guys are trying to explain their murder and egoic acts by claiming that this is only a video game (which is true) and because of that our actions in the game don't have any true consequences in the real world.

In addition, I suppose most of you do not believe in Karma, and even more in a video game. I believe the complete opposite.

But that is not the point.

What I want to know here is why do you guys seem to think that the actions and decisions you make in a video game don't matter at all.

Also, a lot of people believe the way they behave in a game doesn't reflect at all their inner self. They say to themselves '' Oh it's only a game, so who give a damn shit if I'm a being a complete douche and dick to everyone. It is not real, isn't it? ''

I tend to believe the way people play a game reflects the side of their personality they do not want to fully express in the true reality (when they do negative things). This is what I think because when I play a game like Dayz, I play it like who I truly am.

In real life, I am a respecful and honest person, so why would it be so different in a game?

I do not KOS, I do not betray and I help others. This is even more important in a game like this one where death is permanent and so shocking (sometimes).

I know how people will feel on the other side of their computer and I understand my choices will have true consequences in their life.

That's why I've come with these 2 really simple situations and I'd like you guys to tell me what is the difference you see from them;

Situation #1

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You are taking a walk in the streets. You see a kid with a set of cards you have long desired, or with a cap you have long wanted, or with money, or anything that comes to mind. You decide to steal it from him for your own ego and then succeed.

Afterwards, you feel a bit sad because you clearly remember the look on his face, but still, you move on.

Consequences: You have made someone sad and probably have destroyed his day.

Negative Karma (if you believe in it, of course)

Remorse (possiblity)

Situation #2

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You are in Dayz. You see a survivor with the gear you have long desired, or with anything that comes to mind. You decide to kill him for your own ego, and steal everything from him.

Afterwards, 2 possibilites: * You do not give a shit because you say to yourself everyone would have done the same

(which is false, btw). Also, it is only a video game, isn't it?

* You feel very bad for the guy, but still, you move on.

Consequences: You have most likely made someone really frustrated and probably have destroyed a lot of hours of work.

Negative Karma (if you believe in it, of course)

Remorse (possiblity)

So now, tell me what lead you guys to think that these 2 situations are so different? Why being a dick in a video game seems to have no effect or influence on you whatsoever?

In both scenarios, you have clearly made someone sad and frustrated. On some occasions, you might even have disturbed a whole day or night because, you know, some people take this really seriously. This is even more true in a game like Dayz, where death and loss is permanent.

The way I see it, the only thing that changes when you play a video game is the fact that you do not see the victim's face. Therefore, you do not give a damn shit.

But the thing is, the consequences are clearly the same.

You have created a negative situation for another human being and are the only guilty no matter what you make yourself believe.

P.S: I know this do not apply to everyone. It is only a generalization of this community.

What a bunch of mental masturbation.. You may want to sit there on your high horse and claim you can psycho analyze people based on what you believe, but I and many others would disagree. I chose to play this mod because it was harsh and had consequences to everything i did and i love it for this reason.

I will kill you armed/unarmed for many different reasons and if you feel the need i will list them out for you? The idea of me being a "dick" or "asshole" in real life because i choose my reasons for what i do in game is.. stupid. This isn't some myth, its a fact. It is a fact because i have a whole bunch of REAL LIFE people who can attest that i am neither a "dick" nor "asshole" in real life.

This game/mod is very limited in what you can do to have a thrilling experience after some time, and it's up to you the player too figure out how you go about getting the experience you want out of it, in the current state it is in. There is no benefit for me to let any player live. For as long as that remains, and your not someone i am going to team up with, then i will eliminate you from the field of play. I don't complain when i am killed by another player, armed or not (if by hacker, yes). I expect them to do what they want to do, to get the experience they want out of this mod and if i am on the bottom of the food chain then it is up to me to bring myself up higher on it.

That is the very reason alone that i have learned to play this mod. I had a punishing start where i was taught the harsh realities of the DayZ world by other players, and I appreciate this lesson. It is in this lesson that i became much better at surviving the harsh lands of Chernarus and understand that it is a completely unpredictable place to be.

This mod is cruel, dark and brutal. you either adapt to the situation that it currently is in, or you get sent back to the coast. You call this being an "asshole", i call it natural selection.

[neo2157 21]

What a bunch of mental masturbation.. You may want to sit there on your high horse and claim you can psycho analyze people based on what you believe, but I and many others would disagree. I chose to play this mod because it was harsh and had consequences to everything i did and i love it for this reason.

I will kill you armed/unarmed for many different reasons and if you feel the need i will list them out for you? The idea of me being a "dick" or "asshole" in real life because i choose my reasons for what i do in game is.. stupid. This isn't some myth, its a fact. It is a fact because i have a whole bunch of REAL LIFE people who can attest that i am neither a "dick" nor "asshole" in real life.

This game/mod is very limited in what you can do to have a thrilling experience after some time, and it's up to you the player too figure out how you go about getting the experience you want out of it, in the current state it is in. There is no benefit for me to let any player live. For as long as that remains, and your not someone i am going to team up with, then i will eliminate you from the field of play. I don't complain when i am killed by another player, armed or not (if by hacker, yes). I expect them to do what they want to do, to get the experience they want out of this mod and if i am on the bottom of the food chain then it is up to me to bring myself up higher on it.

That is the very reason alone that i have learned to play this mod. I had a punishing start where i was taught the harsh realities of the DayZ world by other players, and I appreciate this lesson. It is in this lesson that i became much better at surviving the harsh lands of Chernarus and understand that it is a completely unpredictable place to be.

This mod is cruel, dark and brutal. you either adapt to the situation that it currently is in, or you get sent back to the coast. You call this being an "asshole", i call it natural selection.

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Its not dark or brutal once you learn everyone exploits and dupes, all this grim dark talk seriously makes me laugh, the game doesn't even have half its mechanic's finished and survival is joke which is why the less creative players are all KOS pvp guys, I'd reccomend arma 2 for those guys but really even Arma 2 has less Deathmatch then this game. hell if you wanted to you could camp out east of Komanko or whatever its called and survive for months just looting food and refilling your water bottle at that town.

[Fac3Value 0]

To AzinGaming -

I find it rather amusing how many assumptions you make on my case. You talk like you know everything and even more disturbing, like you know me from one single topic.

The more you talk the more I feel sad for you. You seem like a very blind person who only see the world with the mental filter you have built yourself over time.

Claiming that I have a big ego (when you clearly seem to have the biggest one on this topic), that I should stop playing video games because I take them too seriously, or even better, that I have stupid beliefs, it clearly brings to wonder what kind of men you are. To me, you just try to act cool and brilliant when, in fact, you are just a disrespectful immature person.

I started this topic peacefully, not trying to attack anybody, just raising questions, and now you come here attacking me for no fucking reason. What's your problem seriously? Projecting yourself into others, maybe?

Let me 'lol' at your face man. You don't know shit about me. You are wrong on every aspects of your teenager analysis.

Well...I was going to sit this one out, but now I feel the need to throw my lot in with this verbal clusterfuck.

First of all:

I started this topic peacefully, not trying to attack anybody, just raising questions

This isn't true in the least bit. You started this topic by stating your belief that, deep down, all player-killers were murderous, evil psychopaths in real life. Hell, I've never even killed a player in DayZ and even I feel insulted by this. So yes, you were attacking people, and a whole lot of them at that.

Although AzinGaming may have been very blunt about his views, I have to say I agree with him. A game is a game. That's not to say I don't feel any emotion while playing it. Was I about to have a heart attack when I thought someone was in the same building as me? Hell yes I was, to the point where I camped in a corner for ten minutes and emptied half of an AK-74 mag into the wall because I thought I saw somebody (I don't even think there was ever anyone there in the first place). However, did I come away from that situation thinking that, if there had been someone there and if they had shot me, that would have made me absurdly upset and ruined my entire day? No. I actually was awed that a simple video game had that effect on me. And at the end of the day, DayZ is just that: a game.

In case you're wondering, I don't believe in karma. And I'm not here to step on anyone else's beliefs, unlike you and AzinGaming have been doing. However, I am rather insulted that you've implied that I'm illogical (karma is "demonstrable with simple logic," as you say). I think of myself a very logical, which is why I don't believe in karma. But whatever. It is what it is, I suppose.

I do know that my actions towards someone in a video game will affect them in real life. I just assume that they will be reasonable like myself and say "Oh well, I guess I'll give this another try." The fact that people are even able to think this while playing video games shows the difference between video games and reality. In real life, the person I just shot wouldn't be thinking anything because he'd be dead.

Quite frankly, the inability to draw a very distinct line between video games and reality is the difference between casual gameplay and the Columbine Massacre.

On a lighter note, congratulations to AzinGaming for being so awesome that he is identified as more than one man:

it clearly brings to wonder what kind of men you are.

You have my beans, sir xD

[gizm0 96]

You feel emotions because you are overly engaged with it.

I don't feel anything when I play it, because I understand that it's just a video game.

If there is any fault with anyone in the situations you describe, then it's entirely with those who do not know how to limit how much they feel towards a virtual experience.

however If I am correct rocket wants dayz to create emotional response in its players.

"Hall, aka ‘Rocket’, tells IGN, “I became very interested in a survival-type game, in the levels of subtleties and decision-making that's forced on you based on an emotional context. What happened in Brunei made me really reflect on those elements of the training exercise that brought out an emotional response in me. That's what DayZ is all about.” "

[Matchew 9]

By 'emotional', does "Rocket" mean to say, 'adrenaline rush, followed either by immense relief or immense frustration' depending on how a situation pans out for them? I think he's just trying to sling the same half-baked bullshit as a lot of other game developers because there's a great deal of authenticity amiss in our culture and we're trying to remedy it by forcing emotions into game players. It's silly. It's a game. I have no desire to experience the spectrum of emotions when I'm playing chess and the same goes for any other game. And to top it off is one key thing: They're just games. If we're going to argue that they're "just games", why are so many of these developers putting so much effort into 'emotion'? It seems just a tad contradictory.

Any way, it's not other players that create problems, but script kiddies. When I play DayZ, I know what I'm getting myself into as far as how situations will play out when I encounter other players. Cracking, on the other hand always gives one player an insurmountable and unpredictable advantage over the other. Then, the game becomes both a waste of money and time because it's not being played the way developers have chosen and the players have agreed to.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Matchew

[Hawk24 94]

Its not dark or brutal once you learn everyone exploits and dupes

What a fucking retarded argument is this?

You think everyone needs exploits and duped items to play DayZ?

Jesus fucking christ, there are legit ways to get high-tier items, not everyone needs crutches to get them

And once again:

You're saying that killing a player in DayZ is the same as robbing someone at knifepoint IRL

Get a grip on reality first, then you can go all-out Freud on us

Edited August 6, 2012 by Hawk24

[ArranUK 3]

I understand your logic but I don't agree at all, I believe in playing video games to be different to what you are in real life what's the point in playing any game if your going to be you in it. I'm not a pilot but I love flight sims and I don't feel guilty if I crash a passenger plane into the floor, I start again, I play dayz if I see someone who has better gear than me ill try to get it from him, to better my experience. If it was real life and I saw the same person with the stuff I wanted I wouldnt just take it because that's my person, what's the point in playing a game exactly the same as you act in real life.

[gizm0 96]

I understand your logic but I don't agree at all, I believe in playing video games to be different to what you are in real life what's the point in playing any game if your going to be you in it. I'm not a pilot but I love flight sims and I don't feel guilty if I crash a passenger plane into the floor, I start again, I play dayz if I see someone who has better gear than me ill try to get it from him, to better my experience. If it was real life and I saw the same person with the stuff I wanted I wouldnt just take it because that's my person, what's the point in playing a game exactly the same as you act in real life.

but there shouldn't be anything wrong with relizing you are possibly ruining someone elses experience in the cost of bettering your own. yet I've seen a lot of posts saying that those who do feel bad for it, are playing wrong or should stop playing. I see nothing wrong with thinking about the person on the other end of the computer because it brings back that mentility of thinking of that guy across the room during a lan match or the guy playing split screen against you.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Orthus

[Hawk24 94]

you are possibly ruining someone elses experience in the cost of bettering your own.

You're not ruining the gameplay experience of someone, you're changing it

Dying is part of the game(excluding hacker deaths)....if you can't handle it and feel like it "ruined your gameplay experience" then you should keep looking for a game that better suits your needs

If you die in DayZ YOU screwed up and you should use this to LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES, not cry about all the ph4t l3wt that you just lost to someone smarter than you

Search and find your mistakes in that particular situation that led to your death

Search for a solution and rethink the situation, if your solution would've lead to your survival, keep it

Change and adapt your doctrine

Get your ass back in the game

Edited August 6, 2012 by Hawk24

[bazbake 456]

I thought the whole point of virtual worlds was to do things we otherwise didn't have the resources or time to do. If you want to be a douche, then accept that your douchiness is a choice based off of your personality and your desire to be a douche. DayZ just gives you the anonymity and lack of consequences to be a douche.

[hatfieldcw 184]

It's just a video game. It's not real life, you have no real claim to any of your imaginary loot and your character's life is short and meaningless in any event. The objective is to vie with other players to survive and succeed within the rules of the game, and the rules of the game explicitly permit and condone robbery as a valid means of obtaining the tools of survival. Perhaps most glaring, the difference is that the kid in example #1 is required by his very nature to participate in the world he inhabits, and cannot escape it except by way of his own death or insanity. You elect to play this game, you are not deceived about the rules and nature of the game and you knowingly log in. Why do you cry here about how you do not want to play this game, when you could simply stop doing the thing that discomfits you?

It's intuitively obvious that the social contracts regarding possession of personal property are suspended in this scenario. With no governing body and a high-stakes survival test at every turn, we must and do descend to the basic state of nature, forging alliances and societies when it's most prudent and beneficial, resorting to violence when it's appropriate or convenient and seeking the path of least risk and resistance in all cases.

Also, many people are jerks in video games, just like many people are whining carebears. Harden up, sissy.

Edited August 6, 2012 by Beez

[tuleg1t 50]

wegotabadassoverhere.jpg

Its not dark or brutal once you learn everyone exploits and dupes, all this grim dark talk seriously makes me laugh, the game doesn't even have half its mechanic's finished and survival is joke which is why the less creative players are all KOS pvp guys, I'd reccomend arma 2 for those guys but really even Arma 2 has less Deathmatch then this game. hell if you wanted to you could camp out east of Komanko or whatever its called and survive for months just looting food and refilling your water bottle at that town.

Oh yea? Then why are you still here then? If everything is a joke, then by all means piss off to the next thing.

[neo2157 21]

Oh yea? Then why are you still here then? If everything is a joke, then by all means piss off to the next thing.

Because i like trolling 18 year old internet badass wannabes such as yourself. Unfortunately i don't have the ability to punch you guys in the jaw so this will have to due.

I thought the whole point of virtual worlds was to do things we otherwise didn't have the resources or time to do. If you want to be a douche, then accept that your douchiness is a choice based off of your personality and your desire to be a douche. DayZ just gives you the anonymity and lack of consequences to be a douche.

It is but bored kids these days are to uncreative for such a thing, its the same thing in Eve and UO which is a shame because in those games you can do so much other stuff, Im not a D&D or pathfinder guy but I kinda envy them being able to create and roleplay scenario's with nothing more then a pen and paper while gamers can't do the same.

Edited August 6, 2012 by neo2157

[SirSlayer 14]

I didn't read up the whole thing but I want do drop my 0.02$

0.01$ If there would be a real apocalypse I would kill you if you had supplies I could use.

So would many, survival of the fittest and nothing you say will change that.

0.01$ If I want to roleplay a psychopath I will do that aswell.

[Alex87 (DayZ) 0]

I allways lol when people are like "It's just a game, not reall life it doesn't matter"

it might be just a game but it uses my reall time.

^ this have my beans

Edited August 6, 2012 by Alex87

[SirSlayer 14]

I allways lol when people are like "It's just a game, not reall life it doesn't matter"

it might be just a game but it uses my reall time.

Well maybe you shouldn't play a game with consensual PVP.

[neo2157 21]

I didn't read up the whole thing but I want do drop my 0.02$

0.01$ If there would be a real apocalypse I would kill you if you had supplies I could use.

So would many, survival of the fittest and nothing you say will change that.

0.01$ If I want to roleplay a psychopath I will do that aswell.

Boy please Wiki survival of the fittest, it refers to a species continued existence not some psychopath who dies alone in the woods hoarding supplies and doesn't contribute anything to the gene pool.