The Future Of DayZ (Discussion) [Warning: Long Post]

[Trajado 22]

First of all, my apologies for any grammar and spealing errors i might make.

Well, I decided to make this topic has a follow up on a post I made on thread about the Hero/Bandit feature, where I said I didn't feel the development of the game was heading the right way, focusing on the real priorities.

Plus, I wanted to add a parallel discussion about the way this community interacts within itself, because fact is, this too will reflect on what the future might be for DayZ, since the players can actually make the Mod in whatever they want.

Starting with the Mod itself and the path taken by the Dev team, as I wrote in the said post on the other thread, I don't belive the come back of the Skins with the new Hero one, will make any real impact on the Mod and the KoS mentality.

I don't even understand why is it important in any way to break the KoS mentality right now! Like so many say, if you don't PvP, you actualy have nothing to do after sometime playing, and for a simulator that is trying to achieve the authenticity of what real life could be, it's just leg breaking, since the truth is that you could never define a survivor by it's clothes.

And yes, I know that with some imagination you can come up with some stuff to do, but that's mostly for groups of survivors, lone-wolfs have nothing to do after getting gear.

Don't take me wrong, I'm all for some balancing between PvP and PvE, for boosting teamwork, and completely against the "hill billy bandit" shooting spawns, but as of now, and the way the Mod is, some things seem to be a way bigger priority!

Just think...

- Tent saving needs fixing to stop duping or whatever it is;

- Leg breaking is still stupid in many ways;

- Doors kill more then zombies, plus, you almost need a map of the door to find where to place your mouse to open them;

- Same thing as doors goes for ladders;

- Walls are glitchy too, i found my self running inside some;

- Loot spawning still stops from time to time;

- Hacking is over the roof;

- Ghillie and Camo still glitch, plus, they bug your backpacks now;

- Big cities have too few zombies, people spawn and immediatly run in Elektro, Cherno, Berezino and pretty much get everything they need to start killing some noobs;

- Zombies are still too easy to lose and deceive, and their movement is still horrid, its like if David Cooperfield and Usain Bolt had a child, it would be a DayZ zombie;

- If you change your bag with one on the floor, yours dissapears;

- Inventory mechanic is the worst i've ever seen;

- Dcing so you wont die continues;

- Server hoping continues;

- People using empty or private servers to get gear continues;

- Every server has different options (Tracers, 3rd Person, Etc), and lots of them don't follow the patches;

- The huge map is almost pointless since everyone follows the same paths to do the same thing;

This are just some of the biggest issues people complain/comment on the forum, a lot more exist! The question now is... What would you all prefer?

The Mod functioning properly in some of this problems and a KoS enviroment or a friendlier enviroment where you still die getting hit by a door?

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Now, on the issue of the community! As I see it, this will have a huge influence on the future. Why? Because the more people get bored, angry, whatever, and leave the Mod, less survivors will exist playing, and you can mash them all you want about the Mod not needing them, but don't think for a second that all those that argue about this and that are not important!

The amount of insults between people, the constant provocation between players that want less PvP vs those who just want to kill everyone, etc... All this will just help the Mod to fail! Eventually all the "carebears" like people say will leave and look for a better enviroment, leaving this amazing Mod with huge possibilites to be another FPS between the millions that allready exist.

It's interesting how most people who call others carebears, and act like badasses saying their tears taste so sweet, argue about this being a sandbox in wich you can do whatever you want, but then, all they actualy do is play it like a normal FPS. Why is that? There are plenty of FPS games on the market... Why ruin the experience for others in game and then come to the forums to brag about it and provoke others when all they want is to vent with fellow "carebears"!

Then there are those who exploded when someone vents about the bugs, or the hackers and pull the so burned out "It's an Alpha!" excuse.

Yes it's an Alpha, yes we are testing, and complains, no matter in wich form are feedback for the dev's, when on the other hand, telling someone, that if they don't like it, they can just quit, has zero value!

All this BS "childish badasse bandit" vs "carebear hugging unicorns" will just help to make more and more people lose interest.

I might be wrong, but I think the number of players is decreasing allready.

The difference right now between unique characters and alive ones is near 200.000! Now, the way I analise this is, that not all of the 200.000 characters that are dead are people that quit the game, but also, not all of the 774.000 alive ones are people still playing the game!

Let's consider that in the 200.000 dead characters, there are 50.000 that are still playing the game! How many do you think from the 774.000 of alive characters still play?

So, let's assume that the 200.000 is in fact the number of players that quited the game, this allready represents 20% of the number of unique characters!

Plus, don't forget WarZ will probably come out for the public before the DayZ standalone, how many do you think then, will try WarZ and never look back?

What we should all do is let others vent in peace, let the bandits brag, let people rant about bugs without being deepshits ourselfs and try to help and convince everyone that is losing interest to stick with DayZ and hope for better days, because there will be better days.

Well... This is just the way I see it.

TL;DR: Don't bother to post please.

[VaultDweller (DayZ) 58]

Jesus christ man,i mean its good you put a warning on but i mean seriously...

It's just a game man,you dont need to get it all out of your system in one day.

[Dingus (DayZ) 429]

The game is stagnant. There are numerous bugs and errors that are admittedly unsolvable due to the engine. We are waiting for a stand-alone right now in a new engine that will suit the needs of the game. The stand-alone will have features not everyone will like, but most will tolerate in order to welcome both friendlies and bandits.

This is how I see it.

[Trajado 22]

Jesus christ man,i mean its good you put a warning on but i mean seriously...

It's just a game man,you dont need to get it all out of your system in one day.

Well... I'm sure this won't help in anything to improve the mood on the forums but i tried, and enjoying DayZ like I do, and it being the (I think) first of it's kind, I'm rooting (not sure if this is how you spell it) for Rocket and not for WarZ.

But truth is, WarZ begins to look better and better against all this, and to be honest, the forum and how people deal with each other here just makes me realise DayZ is full of children or childish players that wish nothing else but to provoke and cause harm to others.

That's not something I want to be apart of...

[FaceAche 69]

Probably a lot of people will switch over to WarZ at first. I definitely will try it even though I'm quite skeptic about that game since I have this feeling it's like WOW but with zombies. Sure players are decreasing over time in DayZ. However it still has proven its point that people actually want to play this kind of genre. I'm looking forward to play both games when they come out.

[BrettHarrenton 29]

First of all, my apologies for any grammar and spealing errors i might make.

Please tell me that was a joke...

[Trajado 22]

The game is stagnant. There are numerous bugs and errors that are admittedly unsolvable due to the engine. We are waiting for a stand-alone right now in a new engine that will suit the needs of the game. The stand-alone will have features not everyone will like, but most will tolerate in order to welcome both friendlies and bandits.

This is how I see it.

Problem is... How optimistic can we be about the standalone when rumors has it will be on the ArmA II or ArmA III engine?

ArmA II engine is obviously broken for this Mod, since all the patches for it so far fixed virtualy nothing.

So, how much better can the ArmA III engine be I wonder...

[Dingus (DayZ) 429]

So, how much better can the ArmA III engine be I wonder...

Because people are supposed to learn from mistakes. We have also gladly provided mounds of information in the form of bug reports and complaints that have probably helped add to the development of the Arma 3 engine in preparation for this stand-alone.

Edited August 4, 2012 by Dingus

[Trajado 22]

Please tell me that was a joke...

No... It's wasn't! But I know spealling takes 2 L's, I just missed one! Lol

[Trajado 22]

Because people are supposed to learn from mistakes.

Hopefully... For all our sakes!

[jdblair5 170]

No... It's wasn't! But I know spealling takes 2 L's, I just missed one! Lol

Drop the -a- and see how that looks.

[Flambo (DayZ) 50]

I only read the first half, and it was excellent. By itself, it was hands down the best post I've read on these forums.

But truth is, WarZ begins to look better and better against all this, and to be honest, the forum and how people deal with each other here just makes me realise DayZ is full of children or childish players that wish nothing else but to provoke and cause harm to others.

That's not something I want to be apart of...

Dude, after making such a good post, why you gotta go and be like this? War Z is a press release, man. Talking about ditching DayZ for War Z is like saying you're gonna leave your cute, asshole of a girlfriend for an Anne Hathaway poster someone told you about.

Edited August 4, 2012 by Flambo

[VaultDweller (DayZ) 58]

Well... I'm sure this won't help in anything to improve the mood on the forums but i tried, and enjoying DayZ like I do, and it being the (I think) first of it's kind, I'm rooting (not sure if this is how you spell it) for Rocket and not for WarZ.

But truth is, WarZ begins to look better and better against all this, and to be honest, the forum and how people deal with each other here just makes me realise DayZ is full of children or childish players that wish nothing else but to provoke and cause harm to others.

That's not something I want to be apart of...

Its your personal opinion of DayZ vs WarZ.

I liked this community when i registered for the first time... until i found other side of it.

Its 15% of mature players who can actuly make some valid points and threads.

40% of trolls and kids who dont know WTF they talking about.

And rest is ussers who make same repetative threads and posts we already seen.

About hackers,complaining bitches about how this mod fails (and get most beans by other ussers) and suggestions that had been made over 100 times and goes around in circle ... and thats it,thats the entire community on the daily basis,there isn't anything much left to say.

However i keep coming back cuz of those 15% who can actuly improve this game by making some interesting suggestions about new,old stuf,what they like,dislike and what shoud be fixed.

And now about WarZ.

If the game gets better and have better community then offcourse il switch to WarZ.

If the WarZ starts to progress faster and better by make some balance with PvP and adding new interesting features then im deffinetly going in that direction.

I'm just being realistic here and not some DayZ fanboy like most of us are in here.

Edited August 4, 2012 by VaultDweller

[Trajado 22]

Drop the -a- and see how that looks.

Ahhh... I see! Thank you!

I only read the first half, and it was excellent. By itself, it was hands down the best post I've read on these forums.

Well... Go read the rest then! And thank you!

[Trajado 22]

Its your personal opinion of DayZ vs WarZ.

I liked this community when i registered for the first time... until i found another side of it.

Its 15% of mature players who can actuly make some valid points and threads.

40% of trolls and kids who dont know WTF they talking about.

And rest is same repetative threads and posts we already seen.

About hackers,complaining bitches about how this mod fails (and get most beans by other ussers) and suggestions that had been made over 100 times and goes around in circle ... and thats it,thats the entire community on the daily basis,there isn't anything much left to say.

However i keep coming back cuz of those 15% who can actuly improve this game by making some interesting suggestions about new,old stuf,what they like,dislike and what shoud be fixed.\

And now about WarZ.

If the game gets better and have better community then offcourse il switch to WarZ.

If the WarZ starts to progress faster and better by make some balance with PvP and adding new interesting features then im deffinetly going in that direction.

I'm just being realistic here and not some DayZ fanboy like most of us are in here.

Exactly my point! Plus, if I had to define my self, I would say I'm a lone-wolf "semi-carebear". I like the PvP, I just don't kill without a reason. The murders i commited, either I was shot at first, or, I saw something I wanted! So, I pretty much avoid every contact with players.

Wich from the looks of the WarZ features will suit my preferences better.

Edited August 4, 2012 by Trajado

[Azrail (DayZ) 211]

Plus, don't forget WarZ will probably come out for the public before the DayZ standalone, how many do you think then, will try WarZ and never look back?

those who do, good riddance.

the developers are aware of the issues this game has.

they do what they feel appropiate to fix them, and thats all i need to know, they have my beans any day of the week.

[Trajado 22]

Dude, after making such a good post, why you gotta go and be like this? War Z is a press release, man. Talking about ditching DayZ for War Z is like saying you're gonna leave your cute, asshole of a girlfriend for an Anne Hathaway poster someone told you about.

That's why I wish DayZ improves! I don't want to leave my girlfriend for the poster, but the poster won't kick me in the nuts every week!

[cyberzone10 3]

Reported for talking about WAR Z!!!

WAR Z SUCKSSSS

[Zera_Grey 28]

do you really think the devs aren't working on these issues, they can only do so much. in less you can code a fix for at least one of the issues then stop talking like it easy. I took one coding class in college and quickly changed my view that it was easy. it takes a lot more work then you realize. considering everything they have done since the mod has been out we should be thankful that it is getting better slowly but still. unless you already have fix for the issues you have no right to complain that these thing aren't being fixed immediately. plus they have to make sure that the fixes the wrote are compatible with the coding of the entire mod to try to limit any possible bug brought out by it. I wish I was a mod on the forum because the amount of threads like this would be gone.

trust me they are working on the issues but it takes longer to fix kill big bug compared to the little ones. just be patient you have no idea what they are doing and what is being worked on. don't post like they aren't doing anything cause you don't know maybe they are working on all those fixes right now.

the little thing are easier to fix and once they are dealt with the devs can go full force on the larger problem. just have patience and ride it out or stop playing because threads like this aren't going to make them work any faster. I mean If i was them I would work slower and make you suffer. be glad I'm not a dev then and since you aren't. go play dayz and be happy or go play what ever game you want if this is not complete enough for you.

Edited August 4, 2012 by Zera_Grey

[Trajado 22]

those who do, good riddance.

the developers are aware of the issues this game has.

they do what they feel appropiate to fix them, and thats all i need to know, they have my beans any day of the week.

That's the type of thought that's wrong! Don't make any mistake, you will end up missing the days when you had full servers. All you need to do is look at the number of bandits vs alive characters and realise that the biggest mass of players might prefer the friendlier enviroment on WarZ, instead of the brutal one in DayZ.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

No one that seriously looks at WarZ will bother playing it. Those that do will quit pretty quickly.

Anyway,

lone-wolfs have nothing to do after getting gear.

Not true. I lonewolf most of the time and have plenty to do.

Listing problems with bugs in an Alpha or Beta is only useful up to a point. Most of the stuff you listed is easy to avoid or overcome with experience. When someone complains about the doors for example, even though they haven't bothered to search the forums to contribute their opinion to any of the hundreds of posts on the subject, they're going to get called out on it. Doors are not even a problem. I broke a bone once on a door. Once. I'm not a rocket scientist so I'm baffled by the people that let it happen again and again. Getting the action icon for the door or ladder is very easy so I'm not sure why you're acting like it's impossible.

Taking some numbers posted on the front page and then making baseless assumptions about them and pulling magical numbers about whose playing and not is pretty funny. Even by your numbers this game is doing well. Google the player numbers of most games from the day they release to a month after. Compare them.

Probably a lot of people will switch over to WarZ at first. I definitely will try it even though I'm quite skeptic about that game since I have this feeling it's like WOW but with zombies. Sure players are decreasing over time in DayZ. However it still has proven its point that people actually want to play this kind of genre. I'm looking forward to play both games when they come out.

Not WoW with Zombies. It's War Inc with zombies.

[sausagekingofchicago 4711]

That's the type of thought that's wrong! Don't make any mistake, you will end up missing the days when you had full servers. All you need to do is look at the number of bandits vs alive characters and realise that the biggest mass of players might prefer the friendlier enviroment on WarZ, instead of the brutal one in DayZ.

There are many more draws to DayZ than you think. That other game won't have the large map and won't be a survival game.

[Zera_Grey 28]

enough War Z vs. Day Z, each covers a different player group. the war z is only going to take players who don't want to be here. if anything War Z is going to be good for Day Z and vise versa.

Edited August 4, 2012 by Zera_Grey

[VaultDweller (DayZ) 58]

Exactly my point! Plus, if I had to define my self, I would say I'm a lone-wolf "semi-carebear". I like the PvP, I just don't kill without a reason. The murders i commited, either I was shot at first, or, I saw something I wanted! So, I pretty much avoid every contact with players.

Wich from the looks of the WarZ features will suit my preferences better.

About the PvP in DayZ.

I dont want to put any mayor restriction in a PvP (like manny of us survivors is asking for it,kinda protection from a bandits and killers) i just want to put a LIMIT in it till the certain point.

Manny of DayZ players HATE feature what WarZ is offering.... a SAFETY ZONES.

New players need safety zones at the respawn area.

Trade markets as an upcoming feature (going in WarZ) and offcourse ... FACTIONS. (but enought about suggestions)

But because like everyone keep saying,after playing DayZ for over 300 hours like an branwashed zombie ,collect and explore everything you need,gear up to the teeth and all...there isnt anything left exept to go on the PvP side.

,,Kill other players,because there isnt anything much to do,,

I think otherwise,but still not manny options,every direction goes to PvP...eather bandit or a bandit hunter,or just blow everything up,go on a rampage with your friends by killing others and ruing their fun for the sacred of yours,other side just want to team up,get in group,evade or hunt bandits and just survive together.

Now for the loner u gotta be preety much mentaly strong to get over all that boredom,stress of being killed of others and all that.

Now i know that this is still only a mod (maybe best mod ever released),a mod in a alpha stage who contibuted an massive idea who blasted all around the gaming community world wide.

But if this mod is not gonna progress little faster and making those good ideas into work and putting them into the game..it will slowly start to degree to the certain points when the players will start getting forward of ,,what woud WarZ contribute,,

If they release WarZ...and it got everything what DaZ ,,shoud have got,, in the future....then its over.

And im not turning this into DayZ vs WarZ competition.

Im loving DayZ like everyone else in here,it's just that i woud want to go into the right direction in the future.

Edited August 4, 2012 by VaultDweller

[Trajado 22]

The revenge of the children!

Reported for talking about WAR Z!!!

WAR Z SUCKSSSS

Simply sad...

do you really think the devs aren't working on these issues, they can only do so much. in less you can code a fix for at least one of the issues then stop talking like it easy. I took one coding class in college and quickly changed my view that it was easy. it takes a lot more work then you realize. considering everything they have done since the mod has been out we should be thankful that it is getting better slowly but still. unless you already have fix for the issues you have no right to complain that these thing aren't being fixed immediately. plus they have to make sure that the fixes the wrote are compatible with the coding of the entire mod to try to limit any possible bug brought out by it. I wish I was a mod on the forum because the amount of threads like this would be gone.

trust me they are working on the issues but it takes longer to fix kill big bug compared to the little ones. just be patient you have no idea what they are doing and what is being worked on. don't post like they aren't doing anything cause you don't know maybe they are working on all those fixes right now.

the little thing are easier to fix and once they are dealt with the devs can go full force on the larger problem. just have patience and ride it out or stop playing because threads like this aren't going to make them work any faster. I mean If i was them I would work slower and make you suffer. be glad I'm not a dev then and since you aren't. go play dayz and be happy or go play what ever game you want if this is not complete enough for you.

Like I said at the end of my post.. Why don't we all stop being idiotic deepshits like you just were here? Since you couldn't, I answer with the same manners.

I will try to make the thought go into that pea you call a brain.

1 - Taking a class in coding does not make you an expert on it.

2 - I'm in an engineering college and although I'm not in computer engineering I have friends who are, and I'm perfectly aware of the dificulty of coding.

3 - I don't need you to tell me they are working on it, of course they are! Don't assume everyone else is an idiot just because you are, ever though that maybe others aren't dumber then you and that maybe you are just not smart enough to understand them?

4 - I'm being patient, in fact, not only am I being patient, but I'm also trying to call everyone out that what is said in this forum may influence the future of DayZ, therefor we should all be more patient with everyone else, something you clearly aren't.

5 - I didn't say at any point they weren't working on the rest, I said they gave priorities to less important things, in my opinion.

About your last paragraph I'm not even going to bother... You worked against yourself on that one, but I'll still give you a protip: when you have problems in comprehending words, don't advertise it like that.