Weapon degradation?

[Swineflew 480]

Curious what you guys think about weapons breaking?

I feel that there needs to be some type of attrition on weapons so that someone doesn't just find a sweet gun and never need an alternative unless they're killed. I like the thought that even people who have lived 90 days still may need to search for items that have broken.

Obviously weapon life and chance to break would need balances and I lean towards a very long weapon life, but I'm curious about other thoughts so I wanted to ask.

[mac 80]

I like this idea, its realistic and adds to gameplay. I dont know if it can be implemented into the engine though

[krtshv 362]

With proper maintenance, weapons can survive for a friggin' long time.

The M16 and M4 series are extremely easy to take apart and maintain.

Plus, the AK series is known for its extreme durability and versatility.

However, the M4 and M16 series does tend to jam, but it's usually due to bad maintenance or sand.

I'd like to see weapon jams, but not weapons breaking completely.

Edited August 3, 2012 by krtshv

[Survivor Tyler 77]

Would this option also include the probability of jamming?

And if this were to be implemented in all fairness there should be a weapon repair kit as well.

[vier0hr 21]

I have always wanted a very small percent chanc of a misfire or jam happening in games but no one wants that muich realism lol.

Because when this happens you would have to take 5-30 sec depending on weapon and type of malfunction, which is bad in most game(though with big maps and gameplay like Dayz it may work).

Edited August 3, 2012 by Viper0hr

[vier0hr 21]

Also I like how when I posted there were two post with what I said, I guess there are other people that would like to see more realism.

[Dev (DayZ) 113]

If you want realistic weapons problems, you will spend more time cleaning your M16/M4 than actually playing the game. A slight breeze causes that piece of shit gun to have problems.

[Survivor Tyler 77]

If you want realistic weapons problems, you will spend more time cleaning your M16/M4 than actually playing the game. A slight breeze causes that piece of shit gun to have problems.

You have obviously been out of the gun market for quite some years, or your just a total moron.

Due to the fact that the M16 in recent years has become on of the most reliable weapons in the world.

After changing many of the internal parts of the gun they have truly annihilate most guns on the market.

*Edit: or you just believe all the bullshit your fed from complete dumb asses

Edited August 3, 2012 by Jtyler1995

[Swineflew 480]

I like this idea for a couple different reasons.

1) it's post apocalypse, so cleaning your weapon likely isn't easy

2) it creates a higher attrition on weapons in the game. I feel the game needs a way to get rid of accumulated weapons other than being lost on dead bodies. A weapon "sink" so to speak

3) I like the thought of players who have lived a very long time to still have somewhat of a constant need for loot.

Edit: I guess more worn weapons could be more prone to jamming. Also realism isn't really the driving factor that lead me to this idea, I realized that the only way a weapon gets deleted or lost is usually on a dead body that isn't looted and realized that it means that higher tier weapons would never get left behind and crappy weapons would, meaning that better weapons accumulate in the game while worse weapons get recycled.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Swineflew

[Dev (DayZ) 113]

You have obviously been out of the gun market for quite some years, or your just a total moron.

Due to the fact that the M16 in recent years has become on of the most reliable weapons in the world.

After changing many of the internal parts of the gun they have truly annihilate most guns on the market.

*Edit: or you just believe all the bullshit your fed from complete dumb asses

No I base it on the fact that I dealt with that piece of shit in the Marines a decade ago, in some very sandy places. Anyone else who has been overseas knows how crappy it can be if any dirt gets near it. You are just some teenage idiot who plays CoD and think he knows shit about weapons. Now piss off moron.

[Survivor Tyler 77]

No I base it on the fact that I dealt with that piece of shit in the Marines a decade ago, in some very sandy places. Anyone else who has been overseas knows how crappy it can be if any dirt gets near it. You are just some teenage idiot who plays CoD and think he knows shit about weapons. Now piss off moron.

Let me quote something you had just said and something i clearly stated in my last post.

"I dealt with that piece of shit in the Marines a decade ago"

This is funny, mainly because of what i said.

"You have obviously been out of the gun market for quite some years" and, "the M16 in recent years has become on of the most reliable weapons in the world."

and as far as calling me a cod kiddie. Well that really couldnt have been more inaccurate, due to the fact that well i don't play many video games anymore other than most military simulators which obviously would not include Call of Duty which i havent played since i was 12. Also telling me that my information is false is way off due to the fact that i work at a place called Freedom Armory. Feel free to browse. http://www.freedomarmory.com/. But anyway and even if you were in the marines a decade ago.. Well you think you would be a bit more mature when encountering a situation with someone who you are accusing of being childish and knowing nothing. I have grown up around guns my entire life and the pure fact that you assume i have no idea what i am talking about truly shows how "grown-up" or "mature" the marines have made you. I am not making judgements upon you or your service weather that is concrete information or not i do not care. If you were a respected soldier and fought for our country. Then i thank you because my entire family has fought in the Air Force and the Army. So i do thank you for your service. With that being said please do not jump to conclusions about someone you know nothing about.

[s.taylor.75@gmail.com 23]

Not realistic at all really. Guns rarely "break" in the real world. They need cleaning/maintenance obviously and brand new guns may even jam. They don't wear out and break though.

[Swineflew 480]

Not realistic at all really. Guns rarely "break" in the real world. They need cleaning/maintenance obviously and brand new guns may even jam. They don't wear out and break though.

I didn't suggest this due to realism at all.

Maybe my gun got infected by the zombie outbreak and is slowly dying without eating brains does that fit the dayz realism for you?

Also you guys can take the m16 cockfight somewhere else, we really don't care either way.

[Survivor Tyler 77]

I didn't suggest this due to realism at all.

Maybe my gun got infected by the zombie outbreak and is slowly dying without eating brains does that fit the dayz realism for you?

Also you guys can take the m16 cockfight somewhere else, we really don't care either way.

I like this idea of an infected gun >.>

But i wouldnt really call it a cock fight. The fact that he retorted by being childish is a cock fight. Its more of he doesn't have half the brain to come up with anything but a CoD kiddie.

[Dev (DayZ) 113]

Let me quote something you had just said and something i clearly stated in my last post.

"I dealt with that piece of shit in the Marines a decade ago"

This is funny, mainly because of what i said.

"You have obviously been out of the gun market for quite some years" and, "the M16 in recent years has become on of the most reliable weapons in the world."

and as far as calling me a cod kiddie. Well that really couldnt have been more inaccurate, due to the fact that well i don't play many video games anymore other than most military simulators which obviously would not include Call of Duty which i havent played since i was 12. Also telling me that my information is false is way off due to the fact that i work at a place called Freedom Armory. Feel free to browse. http://www.freedomarmory.com/. But anyway and even if you were in the marines a decade ago.. Well you think you would be a bit more mature when encountering a situation with someone who you are accusing of being childish and knowing nothing. I have grown up around guns my entire life and the pure fact that you assume i have no idea what i am talking about truly shows how "grown-up" or "mature" the marines have made you. I am not making judgements upon you or your service weather that is concrete information or not i do not care. If you were a respected soldier and fought for our country. Then i thank you because my entire family has fought in the Air Force and the Army. So i do thank you for your service. With that being said please do not jump to conclusions about someone you know nothing about.

I enlisted 10 years ago, does not mean I have not touched one since. I have run across many teenagers like you. You play some FPS, read some wikis, fire a few shots from your dads .22 and then act like a know it all. When you have some real world experience with these weapons, not your shit knockoff AR-15s, then you can speak. Also the most reliable weapon is the AK, you might want to learn the definition of reliable since you clearly do not understand it.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Dev

[lnfighter 20]

breaking? no

Jamming? YES!

[lnfighter 20]

pretty sure helicopter guy is just a disgruntled 29yo that was kicked out of army and now hates the world.

Met so many like him in army. Just spiteful lowlifes that want to world to be in misery like them.

[krtshv 362]

I enlisted 10 years ago, does not mean I have not touched one since. I have run across many teenagers like you. You play some FPS, read some wikis, fire a few shots from your dads .22 and then act like a know it all. When you have some real world experience with these weapons, not your shit knockoff AR-15s, then you can speak. Also the most reliable weapon is the AK, you might want to learn the definition of reliable since you clearly do not understand it.

I also got to use the M16 in the army (specifically the M16A1 CQC version). For me, it worked perfectly (no jams, 95% accuracy), but a lot of people in my platoon kept getting jams. Hell, even our Division Commander (not sure what's the name in English, just translating literally) couldn't fire her weapon without it getting jammed. We had one person who didn't manage to fire more than 2 rounds without his M16 jamming, and he sent it to the weaponsmith 3 times.

[Survivor Tyler 77]

I enlisted 10 years ago, does not mean I have not touched one since. I have run across many teenagers like you. You play some FPS, read some wikis, fire a few shots from your dads .22 and then act like a know it all. When you have some real world experience with these weapons, not your shit knockoff AR-15s, then you can speak. Also the most reliable weapon is the AK, you might want to learn the definition of reliable since you clearly do not understand it.

This is quite interesting as well, yes i do play pc games. Although rarely because of work and college. But at the same time this whole statement is pretty funny due to the fact that you have yet again ignored some of my clearly presented information. As well as yes the AK is a very reliable make depending on where its made. Although i can inform you that if you read my post which you most likely barely skimmed it with how little information you are getting out of what i am saying, or you just lack respect for me because i simply disagreed with you. Although the lack of respect thing is really apparent, which is odd because you would think someone that has just thanked you for your service would be entitled to a bit more respect? I guess not but whatever. Also i clearly stated that the M16 has become one of the most reliable weapons. I did not claim it was the most reliable weapon. As far as your statement with the "knockoff" AR-15's the military grade M4 is a AR-15 Colt M4A1. So please keep that "knock-off" talk to yourself.

pretty sure helicopter guy is just a disgruntled 29yo that was kicked out of army and now hates the world.

Met so many like him in army. Just spiteful lowlifes that want to world to be in misery like them.

He most likely is but he still served for our country so he should still have our respect even if he is a hot head who really acts like he knows everything. As well as thank you for your service as well. This country owes you much more than you receive when your enlisted.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Jtyler1995

[Udak 104]

Let me quote something you had just said and something i clearly stated in my last post.

"I dealt with that piece of shit in the Marines a decade ago"

This is funny, mainly because of what i said.

"You have obviously been out of the gun market for quite some years" and, "the M16 in recent years has become on of the most reliable weapons in the world."

and as far as calling me a cod kiddie. Well that really couldnt have been more inaccurate, due to the fact that well i don't play many video games anymore other than most military simulators which obviously would not include Call of Duty which i havent played since i was 12. Also telling me that my information is false is way off due to the fact that i work at a place called Freedom Armory. Feel free to browse. http://www.freedomarmory.com/. But anyway and even if you were in the marines a decade ago.. Well you think you would be a bit more mature when encountering a situation with someone who you are accusing of being childish and knowing nothing. I have grown up around guns my entire life and the pure fact that you assume i have no idea what i am talking about truly shows how "grown-up" or "mature" the marines have made you. I am not making judgements upon you or your service weather that is concrete information or not i do not care. If you were a respected soldier and fought for our country. Then i thank you because my entire family has fought in the Air Force and the Army. So i do thank you for your service. With that being said please do not jump to conclusions about someone you know nothing about.

M16s and the whole m4 suite suck dick. http://www.defensein.../ Gas-operated is so 1960s anyways. M4 finished dead last in performance during army and marine testing over the past decade. They've had to start on a piston system to get people to buy into it--that's apparently the specops m4 that's going around now. If you really think M16s and M4s are performance-oriented, fire 600+ rounds in a day and just let that POS sit. Try using it in another week, and just LISTEN to the spring. That's absent the increased effects of sand/small dust particles.

Both the m16 and m4 are renowned for being accurate and I think the issue was ignored for so long b/c it was easy to just chalk malfunctions up to poor soldier maintenance--which is true to a point, but after 10+ hours out, you really don't want to have to spend 2+ hours cleaning your weapon EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT.

FFS if you just stood outside with your weapon for a few hours you'd need to clean it.

All of this stands in stark comparison to the AK that you can literally bury in the sand for 3 months, dig it out and fire the mag still loaded. It won't be nearly as accurate, but it's also a 7.62 and on fully auto.

EDIT: because I'm stupid.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Udak

[krtshv 362]

FFS if you just stood outside with your weapon for a few hours you'd need to clean it.

Too true :3

3 hours in the field with my M16A1 and it had dust in it.

[Survivor Tyler 77]

M16s and the whole m4 suite suck dick. http://www.defensein.../��Gas-operated is so 1960s anyways. M4 finished dead last in performance during army and marine testing over the past decade. They've had to start on a piston system to get people to buy into it--that's apparently the specops m4 that's going around now. If you really think M16s and M4s are performance-oriented, fire 600+ rounds in a day and just let that POS sit. Try using it in another week, and just LISTEN to the spring. That's absent the increased effects of sand/small dust particles.

Both the m16 and m4 are renowned for being accurate and I think the issue was ignored for so long b/c it was easy to just chalk malfunctions up to poor soldier maintenance--which is true to a point, but after 10+ hours out, you really don't want to have to spend 2+ hours cleaning your weapon EVERY TIME YOU GO OUT.

FFS if you just stood outside with your weapon for a few hours you'd need to clean it.

Here we go! Someone who is actually not talking from their ass. Yes i am not saying the M4 and the M16 series in there entirety are prefection i far from said that. But the truth is with the new things they have been implementing in the build of their weapon in the past two years they have been pushed up to one of the most reliable weapons. That is all i am saying. I was far from asking for an argument.

[Udak 104]

I also got to use the M16 in the army (specifically the M16A1 CQC version). For me, it worked perfectly (no jams, 95% accuracy), but a lot of people in my platoon kept getting jams. Hell, even our Division Commander (not sure what's the name in English, just translating literally) couldn't fire her weapon without it getting jammed. We had one person who didn't manage to fire more than 2 rounds without his M16 jamming, and he sent it to the weaponsmith 3 times.

Unless you enlisted in the '70s, there is no way you used the A1. That was the POS used in Vietnam, that melted handguards and had a 20 rd mag. You probably meant the A2, though that one didn't have the picatinney rails so maybe the A4?

[Udak 104]

Here we go! Someone who is actually not talking from their ass. Yes i am not saying the M4 and the M16 series in there entirety are prefection i far from said that. But the truth is with the new things they have been implementing in the build of their weapon in the past two years they have been pushed up to one of the most reliable weapons. That is all i am saying. I was far from asking for an argument.

It's also important to note that they're specifically salvaging the M4 because it's cheaper than investing in something better (and there are A LOT of more suitable candidates), and the army is in a penny-pinching mood...but the piston system is the way to go. A gas-operated system just means it's going to be straight filthy all the time and while the metal-on-metal contact has made the Army wary, I think they're coming around to the fact that they're blowing through pieces on gas-operated anyways due to hot gasses being used to cycle the weapon.

[Survivor Tyler 77]

Unless you enlisted in the '70s, there is no way you used the A1. That was the POS used in Vietnam, that melted handguards and had a 20 rd mag. You probably meant the A2, though that one didn't have the picatinney rails so maybe the A4?

The A4 is not was i was informed that is in current distribution at the moment. My girlfriend's dad is a Sergeant Major in the Army, and a lot of the information i receive on weaponry that is currently in circulation is from him because he knows more about what is going on in the Military than i do. So i use the information he provides me for people that come into our range/store to purchase or fire weapons that they have used in the military, or similar to such.