gas more rare and cars more common!

[gobacktogo 29]

hey,

suggestion:

make cars more common and gas more rare.

reasoning:

atm on a decently populated server its almost impossible to find cars to repair because there are so few cars and therefor everyone tries to hide their car extremely well. gas on the other hand is extremely common. there are approx. 10000000 gas stations. ppl hide their cars on the edges of the map. so basically if you want a car, best thing you can do atm is run around the edges of the map. this is quite a boring thing to do because it takes forever and you will most likely not find any player or car or zombie in hours.

if there were less gas-stations and maybe a limit of gas they can have, it would be possible to get cars by camping gasstations in order to engage players who own a car and want to refuel it. a car would lose its purpose, if u would hide it far away on the edge of the map and walk 30min to a gasstation and back. so if you would have a car you would drive to the gasstation or close. this is where pvp would happen. it would draw away more experienced players from places like elektro and cherno where they are sniping newbs atm. they would instead have real pvp hotspots to go to that would be more rewarding (i dont consider NWA to be a real hotspot, because after a while you have good weapons, would not be able to find real upgrades over there and therefor risk/reward just does not pay off. thats why ppl snipe at cherno/elektro: because other places risk/reward value is too low.)

if gas was alot rarer, the amount of cars per server could also be increased (given that this would not cause performance issues). i understand that not everyone is supposed to own a car they are supposed to be rare and this makes sense. but if gas is limited the amount of functional cars would be limited as well. but more cars that do not have gas means more people trying to compete for gas. this way gas could also become some kind of currency.

i think you get the idea.

thanks

Edited August 3, 2012 by gobacktogo

[ThatGuyCalledReptile 314]

Gas can be refilled at petrol stations.

Cars are very rare and should stay so.

[gobacktogo 29]

Gas can be refilled at petrol stations.

Cars are very rare and should stay so.

the fuck?

read my post.

i explain how making gas rarer and repairable cars more common (by reducing the amount of gas stations, reducing the amount of gas they got to below infinite and increasing the amount of cars) would ultimately not increase the amount of intact cars. only cars that DRIVE should be rare.

just read the post..

Edited August 3, 2012 by gobacktogo

[ENSLAVER 21]

Gas definitely would be a finite and exponentially valuable rescource after the outbreak, not only gas but vehicle parts. This is a good idea. Hopefully we can test it in arma II before it goes into standalone. I disagree that cars should be thought of as rare. They should only be limited by 1. Server stress and 2. Breaking immersion, if it felt as if there were too many cars than there actually would be in the area.

I am not really familiar with the Chernarus history and why noone actually owns a car. "It's been ravaged by communism and civil war" is not a great excuse for limiting cars.

Not sure how people will fuel their choppers, maybe they will need to eat lots of beans and produce another kind of gas.

Edit: It would be possible for a group of players to control a gas station and trade gas for things like food/ammunition/chopper parts/vehicles.

Edited August 3, 2012 by ENSLAVER

[CerebralZombie (DayZ) 151]

I wouldn't mind, but it would change the game a lot. Maybe if servers could choose how many cars per map, or even how much of any items should spawn. Creating custom gameplay and changing it with a lot of servers. Of course the best servers would know the "best" ratio of supplies n' gear that spawns.

[simonjames (DayZ) 10]

Cars should be more available ,while military vehicles and jeeps that can travel across/through woods etc should be rare ......i want newer player to be able to get in a vehicle without having to play for 50+ hours finding parts etc ..

and having the server choose the number of vehicles would just be abused so badly and smells of leetism

[MinxinG 50]

I like the idea, once you get a car you just cant lose it, unless you get blown up by a sniper or hacker, because fuel we have a lot, I have about ~70 jerry cans and 13 cars and a chopper, and our group didnt suffered for lack of fuel.

[Yukimare 10]

while cars are rare for me to find WITHOUT a clan driving them first (once died because i was crossing the street while crawing through a zombie infested town and a party of bandits ran me over with a jeep (i kinda loled at myself, i shouldive ran when, i started hearing voice communication on direct chat along with the sound of a engine, funny thing is, they didnt even see me at first untill i stood up 5m while they were going at 80-somthing KPH)), they are kinda common to see, idk if its my luck or what, but i see at least one vehical pass over me each and every scession (wrether it be a helicopter flying through chreno, or even the hatchback i just saw zoom past me in flames before blowing up, ho well, free beans for watching a idiot die)

all i have to say though, if they want to make vehicals more common, then they need more BIKES, i only saw one in my Day Z life, and that was when a idiot road his over a cliff and fell to his death (almost ran me over), and the bike's wheels were too busted up from the fall to be useable, and with bikes, unless your thinking the motorbikes you find in racing, you dont need fule to use them, they are mechanicaly powered, and can get you up to 60 kph if they are taken care of

in fact, now that i think of it, i know why bikes are rare.... usuly, they are wrecked by players that lack common sence and go charge off a cliff or into a wall or even into the ocean, and they have no passenger space or invertory space, so you cant really store anything in a bike or move with a clan or friends, making them not so desireable by players, even though you dont need fule to operate

Edited August 3, 2012 by Yukimare

[Anubian 0]

If you can't find any vechiles then you are doing it severly wrong, I only play with one friend but we have managed to find 6 vechiles a UAZ, ATV, Motorbike, 2 tracters and a GAZ in the last 2 days all in different locations on a few different servers.

I think the rarity is perfectly balanced as fuel is still chewed up quite fast thus the need for so many gas stations, whats the point of having a vechile that you can't drive for risk of going dry on fuel and forcing you to run a trek to some very rare gas station that you are refering to. 90% of the vechiles have shit mileage over off-road terrain making them easy targets for players in the vicinty giving you more chance of obtaining one by killing the driver

Also the servers I have found 5+ vechiles on usually have at least 50 in players online, which as you are saying should be harder but makes it easier for me. Reasoning is they tend to hide it in forests inland in clumps of trees which is where ive found 80% of the vechiles so far. This gives players more reasons to explore the map and its forests, I find it quite fun to explore the forests, spot a tent then find a few vechiles next to it to steal.

I mean when I decide to keep a vechile usualy an atv or motorbike the first thing i think of doing is to drive down to the factory, you dont seem to understand how squishy these vechiles actually are. You bump a tree - lose a tire, damage engine or damage fuel parts, You hit a rock - Same thing,

You fall in a ditch - Same thing. So for any good car parts the factory or a major city is the way for those players to go and thats basicly what you are saying for the fuel supply, if parts are hard enough to find then logicaly there already doing what you want rare fuel to do so just go and camp a factory.

Edited August 3, 2012 by Anubian

[jone4s 2]

hey,

suggestion:

make cars more common and gas more rare.

reasoning:

atm on a decently populated server its almost impossible to find cars to repair because there are so few cars and therefor everyone tries to hide their car extremely well. gas on the other hand is extremely common. there are approx. 10000000 gas stations. ppl hide their cars on the edges of the map. so basically if you want a car, best thing you can do atm is run around the edges of the map. this is quite a boring thing to do because it takes forever and you will most likely not find any player or car or zombie in hours.

if there were less gas-stations and maybe a limit of gas they can have, it would be possible to get cars by camping gasstations in order to engage players who own a car and want to refuel it. a car would lose its purpose, if u would hide it far away on the edge of the map and walk 30min to a gasstation and back. so if you would have a car you would drive to the gasstation or close. this is where pvp would happen. it would draw away more experienced players from places like elektro and cherno where they are sniping newbs atm. they would instead have real pvp hotspots to go to that would be more rewarding (i dont consider NWA to be a real hotspot, because after a while you have good weapons, would not be able to find real upgrades over there and therefor risk/reward just does not pay off. thats why ppl snipe at cherno/elektro: because other places risk/reward value is too low.)

if gas was alot rarer, the amount of cars per server could also be increased (given that this would not cause performance issues). i understand that not everyone is supposed to own a car they are supposed to be rare and this makes sense. but if gas is limited the amount of functional cars would be limited as well. but more cars that do not have gas means more people trying to compete for gas. this way gas could also become some kind of currency.

i think you get the idea.

thanks

I absolutely second that! Make fuel rarer and add more vehicles (wether destroyed or intact). Like it is now, its pretty unrealistic, that there are so less (repairable) cars throughout whole chernarus.

What happened to all the carwrecks we see throughout the country? The virus outbreak cant be happened so long ago (the zombies have still intact clothing) that almost all the cars are rusted to death and crumbled...

Also: when i walk trough a village, i dont see a bike anywhere.. think of real life: there are bikes in almost every single household... in the garden or somewhere else.. i highly doubt, that bicycles dissappeared into thin air because of the zombie virus outbreak, or that the whole population which made it out, evacuated themself on bicycles.

make the game more realistic and add bikes and more repairable cars in every village.. and make gas very rare... like in Mad Max...

It will give the game a mad max feeling. The players will fight for gas then at the gas stations. i like the idea of the original poster very much! thumbs up!

Edited August 3, 2012 by jone4s

[suspectmammal 22]

The car situation is ridiculous i've been playing this game for a month and have never gotten a car or any transportation at all. i check every single car spawn and nothing.

[gobacktogo 29]

If you can't find any vechiles then you are doing it severly wrong, I only play with one friend but we have managed to find 6 vechiles a UAZ, ATV, Motorbike, 2 tracters and a GAZ in the last 2 days all in different locations on a few different servers.

I think the rarity is perfectly balanced as fuel is still chewed up quite fast thus the need for so many gas stations, whats the point of having a vechile that you can't drive for risk of going dry on fuel and forcing you to run a trek to some very rare gas station that you are refering to. 90% of the vechiles have shit mileage over off-road terrain making them easy targets for players in the vicinty giving you more chance of obtaining one by killing the driver

Also the servers I have found 5+ vechiles on usually have at least 50 in players online, which as you are saying should be harder but makes it easier for me. Reasoning is they tend to hide it in forests inland in clumps of trees which is where ive found 80% of the vechiles so far. This gives players more reasons to explore the map and its forests, I find it quite fun to explore the forests, spot a tent then find a few vechiles next to it to steal.

I mean when I decide to keep a vechile usualy an atv or motorbike the first thing i think of doing is to drive down to the factory, you dont seem to understand how squishy these vechiles actually are. You bump a tree - lose a tire, damage engine or damage fuel parts, You hit a rock - Same thing,

You fall in a ditch - Same thing. So for any good car parts the factory or a major city is the way for those players to go and thats basicly what you are saying for the fuel supply, if parts are hard enough to find then logicaly there already doing what you want rare fuel to do so just go and camp a factory.

never said that i could not find vehicles. just yesterday my brother and i stole a helicopter from a group of people and we have had many other cars/bikes as well. thats not the (only) point here. but i do tend to have more fun hunting for vehicles by encountering zombies or even better players. that does not happen often if i search for vehicles in woods.

you are right, IF you find someone driving a car you can take him out. THATS why i suggested to make gas more rare and reduce the number of gasstations. to promote reasonable pvp with good risk/reward, instead of shooting newbs at cherno/elekro.

also, you might just suck at driving, saying atvs and bikes get damagesd fast. cause we manage to drive across the whole map without severely damaging our atv/motorbike (as you used those as an example). you can turn an ATV up again if it fell on the side btw if you are not stupid. now let me quote you here: 'So for any good car parts the factory or a major city is the way for those players to go and thats basicly what you are saying for the fuel supply, if parts are hard enough to find then logicaly there already doing what you want rare fuel to do so just go and camp a factory.' i dont understand that sentense. its late here. but i just dont think you make much sense. what i take from the quote is you think that because you crash all your vehicles alot, fuel is rare already. or something? nah, dude. you just dont get the point. it is not about getting carparts. fixing vehicles is fine the way it is imo. its about making fuel rare and decrease number of gasstations so they become hotspots for good risk/reward pvp and also allowing the increase of the total number of vehicles in the game (because of the rarity of gas the total number of DRIVING cars [noone wants everyone on the server to drive around in cars] would stay the same.

Edited August 3, 2012 by gobacktogo