Wipe all tents...

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

I henceforth put forward the notion on this, the official forum to wipe all tents, these duplicated tents full of super rare stuff are stealing the little magic this mod still holds for me. I used to care about dying, and finding a ghillie suit was freaking amazing. Now I stumble across tents in obvious places (sometimes in clusters of ten or more), packed full of NVGs and all other top tier gear. I love participating in the refinement of what I believe will be a great game, but it's going to be tough to continue if there are no stakes to gamble on every time I make a choice in the mod. I really miss the adrenaline rush I used to get when spotting another player or even pondering an airfield run. I could nerf myself and not access other people's tents, but putting myself at a disadvantage when the mod is saturated with bushmen that can see in the dark and have infinite supplies doesn't really appeal to me either...

TL;DR- The caches maintained by duping douchers are ruining the game. Wipe all tents now, and periodically (announce when so people can get the items they want to keep out and equipped) up to retail release. You should have to work hard for that gear, not be able to dupe 30 tents full of top tier gear.

Also, for the folks who don't read past the topic title, this is suggested to be done after the duplication is fixed.

Edited July 28, 2012 by Sgt Abraham Ford

[Zurchi 7]

I see where you are getting at by these duplicators. But no. I play legitly with my friends. And we have found 8 tents. And all of our guns. Just because some people choose to ruin the game for them selves. Doesn't mean my experience should be ruined.

[zenatsu (DayZ) 96]

I dunno about you, but I find it pretty easy to come along some pretty nice guns even after I die.

The rush of finding something 'new' and wanting to keep it for a while (being safer and not being a tool running like a retard). Now it seems I run across decent gear relativly easy.

its the same patter really, go to Cherno, get basic gear. Go to Bor's deer stand, to go zelenogo for food, go to Stary military tents, go to northwest. After that I can build a car or go back to cherno and kill everyone until I die.

Its a repetitive process even without duping.

[christopher.hill449@gmail.com 314]

I give you beans! Probably the smartest OP I came across all day!

[U.B.C.S. Hops 128]

I know what you mean. But this shouldn't happen until duping is stopped permanently.

P.S. Finding weapons should be made 10000X harder. Just saying.

Edited July 28, 2012 by The Hopper

[Stridsbulten 9]

I have worked hard for my tents. Taken great consideration into their placement and into the gear I have stashed at each (basically setting up three supply depots on the areas I frequent most containing food, water, medical supplies and basic guns and survival gear). I shouldnt be punished for what some duping asshats do. These tents are key to MY survival experience in DayZ.

Solve the duping bugs instead and punish those that abuse them.

[osirish 165]

Or ... the tents could be set up to automatically save everytime an item is removed from it ... don't know how much extra server load it would cause, but it would solve the duping.

Or, maybe the glitch where you place a tent and then pack it up, and repitch it, maybe more than once .... which causes hot steamy tent loving while the server is rebooting before your one tent then performs miracles and dupes itself. Less tents, less storage.

Most of my clan's gear is legit, we recently kicked someone for duping. What isn't legit is our three previous camp sites (raided sigh), where we periodically have to go to in order to dump the gear, save the tents and then destroy them. A couple of server restarts later .... rinse and repeat.

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

As the mod is in alpha phase, your gear is inconsequential. You'll lose it anyways. I should add that I am not at all having any difficulty finding weapons (not sure how you got that out of my post), in fact it's the opposite. I used to have to struggle and fight to get my gear, now when I die I can have a full set of "endgame" gear within an hour. This is wrong. I also have tents full of things I worked my ass off to get, I'm suggesting that they be burned as well. You can take out whatever you want to keep, and put it back in the tent after the purge. As it is, however, the mod has shifted from survival to hoarding (which is a playstyle I confess to using). In most cases, these tents have been duplicated and the items are not legitimate anyhow. I was under the impression that the tent's duplication glitch had been addressed with the newest patch, if I'm wrong then this would be pointless. My ideal situation would be regular wipes when new patches come out, to keep the struggle in the game. At the very least, there must be at least one wipe after the duplication has been resolved. It's cool if you disagree, I also have many tents full of honest loot. However, I am willing to sacrifice mine to take care of the massive inflation of ultra rare loot (and in effect, balance issues) resulting from a glitch that's overstayed it's welcome. Please elaborate if you think this is a bad idea. I'm interested to see other people's input or I wouldn't have posted this here.

Edited July 28, 2012 by Sgt Abraham Ford

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

I give you beans! Probably the smartest OP I came across all day!

Thanks! I just miss the feel of having earned my gear, not stumbling across tent after tent of loot that took me weeks to accumulate before. It's gotten out of hand, and it needs to be fixed. Much respect to Rocket and team, I know they have to handle things in the order they do for a reason. This is just my two cents.

[Flurf 25]

Sounds like some D2 action!

[pandadragonthing 11]

How can a problem like this be allowed to go on so long unfixed? That is horrible care from the development team...

[U.B.C.S. Hops 128]

How can a problem like this be allowed to go on so long unfixed? That is horrible care from the development team...

I dunno.

ITS ALPHA.

Ya know.

Just maybe.

[Yeni 53]

Anyone with a brain can dupe. Not hard. Not hard to fix either. All you have to do is take an item that gives an animation at the exact same time, so when you get the little gun with arrows around it, have your bud and you take it at the same time. Now, what the devs can do is, simply if one or more actions is being done on a dropped object, simply nullify one of the actions and cancel it out leaving only 1 item taken.

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

^What The Hopper said.

As I said, they have to address one thing at a time, and I admit they have bigger fish to fry. We can't jump down their throats for not being omniscient beings that fix every problem before they realize it exists. However, this is a rather large balance issue and I'd like to see it closer to the top of the list. Pull some strings Curgon!!! :P

Edited July 28, 2012 by Sgt Abraham Ford

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

Anyone with a brain can dupe. Not hard. Not hard to fix either. All you have to do is take an item that gives an animation at the exact same time, so when you get the little gun with arrows around it, have your bud and you take it at the same time. Now, what the devs can do is, simply if one or more actions is being done on a dropped object, simply nullify one of the actions and cancel it out leaving only 1 item taken.

Thankfully, there is at least one person unaware of the particular dupe I'm talking about.

[Yeni 53]

Thankfully this moron is complaining about duping, yet is only trying to fix one type of dupe.

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

Clearly, I'm the moron. How, in any way, did you determine that I only want one dupe fixed by this post? I had even liked your post, dipshit. Took my beans back now though, someone else deserves them more than you sucka.

Edited July 28, 2012 by Sgt Abraham Ford

[Shaun of the Dead 36]

Vehicles are also part of the issue. Gonna wipe them as well?

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

Why not? An inventory wipe of tents and vehicles would be doing far more good than harm, in my opinion. I realize a great many people have worked hard to accumulate everything they need to live for months in game if they choose. Again, I am willing to give up my hard earned items to balance the game. We will not have these things forever anyhow, but there are thousands of "counterfeit" items in the game at the moment that are flat out breaking the vision of the mod.

[ED-E 4]

I henceforth put forward the notion on this, the official forum to wipe all tents, these duplicated tents full of super rare stuff are stealing the little magic this mod still holds for me. I used to care about dying, and finding a ghillie suit was freaking amazing. Now I stumble across tents in obvious places (sometimes in clusters of ten or more), packed full of NVGs and all other top tier gear. I love participating in the refinement of what I believe will be a great game, but it's going to be tough to continue if there are no stakes to gamble on every time I make a choice in the mod. I really miss the adrenaline rush I used to get when spotting another player or even pondering an airfield run. I could nerf myself and not access other people's tents, but putting myself at a disadvantage when the mod is saturated with bushmen that can see in the dark and have infinite supplies doesn't really appeal to me either...

TLDR; The caches maintained by duping douchers are ruining the game. Wipe all tents now, and periodically (announce when so people can get the items they want to keep out and equipped) up to retail release. You should have to work hard for that gear, not be able to dupe 30 tents full of top tier gear.

^ This

Duping is ruining the survival feel of this mod. I disagree with people saying that you shouldn't get attached to your gear, or character since it's an alpha. It's by getting attached to these that you experience the thrill of surviving an encounter, or the joy of finding a rare item. There are too many people that just treat DayZ as a high-paced FPS shooter, running guns blazing into the PvP hot spots on the map with no fear of dying - since getting geared up at the moment is extremely easy.

You should fear dying.

You should want to survive at all costs.

You should cherish any item you find that will aid you in this.

Wipe the tents.

That is all.

[Yeni 53]

Your right. We should wipe all tents, all vehicles, and everything else everyone has worked hard to get. Yes, I found 3 pairs of NVG on my Heli crash run, and put them in a tent for my clan, just so they can be wiped. I agree with this. /Sarcasm.

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

Good to know, Chief. Thanks for your input. Frankly, you're a real piece of work, you should edit your earlier post so it doesn't look like you flipped a bitch after making a fool out of yourself.

Edited July 28, 2012 by Sgt Abraham Ford

[Zymi 64]

I wouldn't mind a complete reset if you're going to reset tents and vehicles. Why not go all the way?

[Sgt Abraham Ford 82]

Well the gear on each character wouldn't be entirely necessary to get rid of to destroy all of the the excess rare items in circulation. Though, I certainly wouldn't mind losing my fully decked out character and tents and vehicles if it meant balancing the game for everyone. It's odd to me that some folks would rather keep their gear that can be reattained with a bit of work and see the survival atmosphere die as a result. It's good to see people that agree with me for different reasons, and good to see others disagree as well. I just wish I could understand the selfish desire to hang on to a bit of gear and sacrifice the balance and integrity of the mod as a whole.

Edited July 28, 2012 by Sgt Abraham Ford

[Nalestom 116]

In all honesty, since the mod is in alpha (Yes, I'm actually using that excuse) and since Rocket and the DayZ development team are working on the standalone release of the game, there's no need for a wipe.

When I play DayZ, I view it as training for the "real game" - that is, the standalone release. While attachment to your items and to your characters is an important aspect of the survival theme of the game, it's very hard to maintain that attachment when, in the back of your mind, you know it's all going to disappear eventually, whether by your own stupidity, a bandit raid, or Rocket's almighty Delete key. That being said, the only thing that we're going to be able to take with us when DayZ is released is the experience and knowledge of how the game works. Everything from basic survival concepts (how to eat food, where to find weapons, not to scream loudly into your microphone while you run through Cherno) to more advanced concepts of the game (the art of hiding your vehicles and tents, finding a nice sniping position, how to move quickly and quietly through a city.) That knowledge is worth a lot more than your AS50 and NVGs. After all, if I ran up to a complete noob on the coast and gave him a DMR, he'd probably lose it in five minutes because he wouldn't know how to calculate bullet drop, where to find ammo for it, and how to properly conceal yourself when you're sniping.

This mod is a giant psychological learning experience. Wait until release before you become attached to your guns.