US 1226 philadelphia banned me for no reason

[kien.thai@hotmail.com 1]

Was playing here most of the day on 7/27/12. Made my way to the NE airfields solo while my friends were working their way up to me. Did a lot of camping, running circles, died, ran back, the normal stuff. Friends got into a gun fight so I decided to head south to help. Came across a body with some nice gear (SVD and a M4A1 CCO), got everything I could fit into my bag and took about 5 steps.

About 9:20pm Eastern time, got kicked. Literal message from admin was "go play COD". ok... logged back in and asked in Group chat (never really used chat before so I dont even know if it works) "why did I get kicked by admin with the message of "go play cod"?" Kicked again. this time admin message said "GTFO" Try logging in again and now i get banned with admin reason being "Abusive language"..... Admin on atm was "....deadlycheese...."

So I've only used Group chat like once weeks ago. All day today except that one time I asked, I was on Ventrilo with my friends. never used Direct chat or group chat any way or how.

FYI, lost the SVD when i logged back into another server. so Good job if I looted your body and u were upset admin.

[NdranC 0]

I'm one of the friends that he is talking about. I don't know if it would help as a time reference to check the logs but I died around 20 min to a guy named Mike before this happen to Kien Thai. We tried to contact in game the admin to no avail, none of us really knows how the chat works. it's a shame because it was a nice server. First time we log into it.

[primalgoose 0]

I hate to sound like a broken record but do you have any proof? Screen shots, videos, anything at all?

I'm not doubting you but before any action could be taken people need evidence of this.

[Vertisce 158]

I hate to sound like a broken record but do you have any proof? Screen shots, videos, anything at all?

I'm not doubting you but before any action could be taken people need evidence of this.

I don't understand why people think the players need to provide screenshots. First off...ArmA doesn't support screenshots at all. You have to use a 3rd party program like Fraps just to do that. It is unreasonable to require a player to do this. Now the server admin doing the banning on the other hand should have sufficient proof to back up the ban.

[jamestrendall 38]

Edit: im an idiot.

Edited July 28, 2012 by JamesTrendall

[kien.thai@hotmail.com 1]

I understand the proof idea but at the time I didn't even think of attempting to screen or fraps mainly because I did absolutely nothing wrong. The idea of being banned was as far out there as if expecting jesus to walk into the room. Though being open minded this should be a two way street. Proof should be provided when someone is banned. Police officers can't arrest you for no reason right?

[Wallberot 37]

Police officers can't arrest you for no reason right?

The Federales disagree.

[kien.thai@hotmail.com 1]

The Federales disagree.

LOL point taken. Guess I was arrested for just walking by.

[AADiC 182]

I hate to sound like a broken record but do you have any proof? Screen shots, videos, anything at all?

I'm not doubting you but before any action could be taken people need evidence of this.

The server admin is the one that needs to provide proof on why the person was banned.

[kien.thai@hotmail.com 1]

So.. I've already moved on but just curious, what is the point to the Ban Appeals if nothing seems to be resolved here?

I read some other post and some have vids of their abuse bans but I don't see much resolved. Just verbal firing back and forward if anything.

Also since I got banned for pretty much doing absolutely nothing except I assume looting a body of the admin or clan members with the admin how do I prove my innocence? Assume I disregard the mentioned above of the Admin telling me to go play COD and then telling me to GTFO. What if I just said I was banned and have no idea why. How would one go ahead and prove this? Is there a system in place where some one reads these threads and then investigates?

Isn't in this case and many other cases the proof of innocence is just the result of No proof of justified banning? Now what happens?

Thanks

Kien

[10pounds 2]

KienThai, we haven't banned anyone in our server except expected hackers. We do not have chat enabled on our server. I doubt highly that you were kicked or banned for no reason. AND we definatly wouldn't tell you to go play COD.

[DeadCheese 4]

KienThai -

I don't know anything about looted bodies. I had some complaints about your behavior. When you came back after being kicked for it, you were rude and using foul language in the group chat. As you stated, you were kicked twice more after that, each time coming back to be abusive. At that point you were banned from the server.

This server is run solely with my own time and money. I don't want to play with people like you. Please feel free to take your behavior to any of the 2000 other DayZ servers. You are not welcome back at US 1226.

Thanks,

...deadcheese...

[Scrotie 0]

DeadCheese, my friend, Gusles, also got banned randomly, the reason was "hacking or cheating". Even though i was in-game, with him and on voice chat. I know for a fact that he was not hacking. Would it be possible for you to kindly unban him? We cant go to another server, because for some reason I cant connect to any other servers. It is very strange, i know, but it is true.

And also, I have to reply for him, because for some reason he cant make an account on the forums ... >_<

But anyways, please unban him for me.. I would love you forever :(

[DeadCheese 4]

Hi Scrotie -

Here's why Gusles got banned:

Gusles (88.88.234.239:24452) 5f506f31a741aae01a49af385f3cfe18 - #35 player setVariable['lastPos',0];player setposatl [4999.81,9617.96,0.00128174];

This popped up in the BattlEye log at the same time that I got complaints about a teleporting player. If a Dev can confirm that this is not teleporting, I'd be happy to remove the ban.

Thanks,

...deadcheese...

Edited July 30, 2012 by DeadCheese

[Scrotie 0]

That "teleportation" is probably just lag, we're in Norway, but the only server we can play on is located in America (yours). He was with me at all times, and he did not teleport somewhere or anything, he just had some lag "rollback" or whatever its called.

What do you mean by getting a Dev to confirm? How would I go about doing that?

Thanks for replying

[DeadCheese 4]

Scrotie -

After more review, I see some known good players showing up in the log with this as well. I've removed Gusles' ban. Sorry for any confusion.

...deadcheese...

Edited July 30, 2012 by DeadCheese

[Scrotie 0]

Ahh... Thank you so much <3<3 Speaking of hackers though, I was close to the barn north of Kamenka and Komarovo, when there was an invisible player placing bear traps all around me, he also shot a zombie chasing me. Thanks for unbanning my friend though :D

[DeadCheese 4]

Yeah, we've had a terrible time with hackers and especially teleporters. I've been searching for a way to identify it and ban them, but so far no luck. It's very frustrating trying to keep a server clean with all the cheaters trying to ruin it for the rest of us.

Good luck and I hope you enjoy the server.

...deadcheese...

[unreal.gamer@hotmail.com 0]

I don't know where your getting your information from deadcheese but I was in vent with Kien and in the server with NdranC at the time this all happened. The only time he ever posted anything in group chat was to ask why he was banned. I even tried to ask in chat why he was banned but no reply. We don't use chat for anything so show us chat logs of what he said. We aren't trying to start a fuss here, we just wanted to know why he was banned for nothing because to us it looked like he was kicked for looting that particular body since it happened less than a minute after.

Yes there are plenty of other servers to play on but how can we find a home server to play on to use tents and fix vehicles when so many admins keep banning people for everything and not bothering to follow up with logs.

- Their are only two reasons why you, as a server owner, should ban a player on your server. Those two reasons are: Malicious talk, and racism. You may not ban a user for stealing your loot, killing you, spying on you, etc.

And seeing as how I was with him and know he didn't do this it makes me think you just banned him for this reason so you meet the requirements and don't get in trouble. And that's fine I don't really feel like playing on a server where admins do this type of thing so I'll find another. Just want this out there so others can see that this happened on US 1226 in case the same thing happens to them.

[NdranC 0]

KienThai -

I don't know anything about looted bodies. I had some complaints about your behavior. When you came back after being kicked for it, you were rude and using foul language in the group chat. As you stated, you were kicked twice more after that, each time coming back to be abusive. At that point you were banned from the server.

This server is run solely with my own time and money. I don't want to play with people like you. Please feel free to take your behavior to any of the 2000 other DayZ servers. You are not welcome back at US 1226.

Thanks,

...deadcheese...

I was with Kien in vent atm, we are a group of friends that plays together for the most part, we barely have more than 2 weeks playing DayZ and we didn't even know how chat works or ever used it for that matter; after the incident we tested it ourselves later in a different server, but for the most part we don't want or care to talk to other player specially for something as silly as smack talk.

Yes you're right, there's plenty of servers out there, which is a shame since we were playing on your server for a few hours and it was great for the most part. We already found another server which seems equally good. We're not fighting for the right to be back, but for the principle behind this and plenty of other "unfounded" accusations.

At the end of the day, it was your server and it is our money, and you might think you have the right to decide who you want to play with (apparently not according to the mod devs), but accusing kien of something he didn't do with no more proof that "some people complained"? So if me and my friends go to a server and pickup a random name from the list and tell the admin that the guy is insulting us would he have to ban him just because its the word of 3 vs 1? Great system, I hope it wont get abused...

PS: So the guy before you (which i assume is an admin too) says your server has no chat enabled but then you said Kien used the chat to insult people? how does that work?

[spydertek 2]

I was with Kien in vent atm, we are a group of friends that plays together for the most part, we barely have more than 2 weeks playing DayZ and we didn't even know how chat works or ever used it for that matter; after the incident we tested it ourselves later in a different server, but for the most part we don't want or care to talk to other player specially for something as silly as smack talk.

Yes you're right, there's plenty of servers out there, which is a shame since we were playing on your server for a few hours and it was great for the most part. We already found another server which seems equally good. We're not fighting for the right to be back, but for the principle behind this and plenty of other "unfounded" accusations.

At the end of the day, it was your server and it is our money, and you might think you have the right to decide who you want to play with (apparently not according to the mod devs), but accusing kien of something he didn't do with no more proof that "some people complained"? So if me and my friends go to a server and pickup a random name from the list and tell the admin that the guy is insulting us would he have to ban him just because its the word of 3 vs 1? Great system, I hope it wont get abused...

PS: So the guy before you (which i assume is an admin too) says your server has no chat enabled but then you said Kien used the chat to insult people? how does that work?

The other guy is not an admin. He is just another player that uses the server. The global chat is disabled due to rules of DayZ Devs. But that does leave open the other lines of chat to be used within the game and one of those options (being Group Chat) we can see within RCON when a user is in the lobby.

Also, not sure if you are aware of this or not, but we both paid for this game as well to play and he pays to have the server up for use (which is not cheap mind you). I don't get the point of your comment but that's cool.

At the end of the day it's just a game.. Try to have fun and keep the drama out. I understand you and your friends are upset because of what transpired and you are defending your friend. That's admirable. But at this point, your friend was banned from the server for Harsh Language as stated above which is within the allowances of the admins of a server. I'm not sure what more you want done or said at this point.

[kien.thai@hotmail.com 1]

KienThai -

I don't know anything about looted bodies. I had some complaints about your behavior. When you came back after being kicked for it, you were rude and using foul language in the group chat. As you stated, you were kicked twice more after that, each time coming back to be abusive. At that point you were banned from the server.

This server is run solely with my own time and money. I don't want to play with people like you. Please feel free to take your behavior to any of the 2000 other DayZ servers. You are not welcome back at US 1226.

Thanks,

...deadcheese...

Literally what I said when I came back in and kicked was what was posted. Asking Why I got kicked is rude? Quoting "Why was I kicked and told to "go play cod"" is rude? Asking Why I got kicked again is very Rude? You pay and run the server on your own dime and whole heartily respect that and would never try to insult you as an ADMIN or a person. This is a "fact", I was never rude or used abusive language. Barely used Group chat in my whole dayz life and everything I said in group chat is literally what I've posted on this thread. Prior that, you had some complaints about my behavior? Is this my language? My play style? My name? Didn't used Group chat until I got kicked(nor did I ever once touch the direct chat key), so cant be that. Camped in bushes or barracks most of the time there and only got into a gun battle with one other person where it lasted for a whole 20 secs and I think we both died.

I don't even battle log in PVP. I die why to much and I literally give most my gear to friends cuz I know I will die. It sad that you lost potential legit players who've been gaming with each other for years all because what? I guess you only know the real reason.

[unreal.gamer@hotmail.com 0]

The other guy is not an admin. He is just another player that uses the server. The global chat is disabled due to rules of DayZ Devs. But that does leave open the other lines of chat to be used within the game and one of those options (being Group Chat) we can see within RCON when a user is in the lobby.

Also, not sure if you are aware of this or not, but we both paid for this game as well to play and he pays to have the server up for use (which is not cheap mind you). I don't get the point of your comment but that's cool.

At the end of the day it's just a game.. Try to have fun and keep the drama out. I understand you and your friends are upset because of what transpired and you are defending your friend. That's admirable. But at this point, your friend was banned from the server for Harsh Language as stated above which is within the allowances of the admins of a server. I'm not sure what more you want done or said at this point.

Proof that this was a just action and not a play on the rules to get what the admin wants. You may have paid for the game and the server but this is not your mod nor does it give you the right to do as you please to the people playing in the server without a just cause. He may have been banned for "Harsh Language" but where is the chat log? If I was an admin of a server and I saw someone posting about being banned on my server my first reply to the thread would be the logs. And I don't mean just a copy/paste because that can be easily falsified. It's not the job of the player to be constantly running fraps just to prove his innocence if they get banned for something.

I'm not trying to demonize you as far as I know you may be a bystander because it looks like the ban was based on complaints of others and not seeing the chat firsthand. He even logged back in and asked in group chat in the lobby why he was kicked with no response just a ban.

[NdranC 0]

The other guy is not an admin. He is just another player that uses the server. The global chat is disabled due to rules of DayZ Devs. But that does leave open the other lines of chat to be used within the game and one of those options (being Group Chat) we can see within RCON when a user is in the lobby.

Also, not sure if you are aware of this or not, but we both paid for this game as well to play and he pays to have the server up for use (which is not cheap mind you). I don't get the point of your comment but that's cool.

At the end of the day it's just a game.. Try to have fun and keep the drama out. I understand you and your friends are upset because of what transpired and you are defending your friend. That's admirable. But at this point, your friend was banned from the server for Harsh Language as stated above which is within the allowances of the admins of a server. I'm not sure what more you want done or said at this point.

The point of this thread was to raise awareness to what it looks like is a faulty ban system. We're starting from a stand point were we are at fault and need to prove our innocence when there's nothing that proves we are guilty to begging with. Why the "word" of some/one player in your server has more weight than our defense? Whats stopping other people from abusing that system for their own pettiness? As it is right now, everybody is guilty till proven otherwise when it should be the other way around.

Yes you're right this is a game, and we are having fun, but this is not drama, this is feedback from the current ban system. This time, nothing really horrible happened, we're just not allowed in your server anymore, but if we keep relying on this system nothing is stopping questionable admins from abusing this rules and just officially state "foul language" without posting any proof, trusting the average user wont be able to prove otherwise.

[DeadCheese 4]

Too many posts to catch up on. I'll just state that we intend to cultivate a mature, enjoyable culture on our server. If Kien wants to be a troll, I would appreciate it if he did it on someone else's server.

In any case, the ban was only temporary. I just checked and it's no longer active - so, while technically you are not blocked from joining the server, you are still not welcome.

Go where you're wanted. It's not US 1226.

...deadcheese...