HACKERS ARE OUT OF CONTROL

[humbleuk 76]

what do you all keep using the excuse "alpha" for?

Arma 2 is a full retail game and has been out for a few years, it's not day z that is the problem but the dumb arma engine, battle-eye has been shit ever since it came out, armas scripting is and has always been an issue in multiplayer, with day z it just got worse as more players and skiddies came on to try it.

This game arma 2 and day z will go fucking no-where on the dumb arma engine.

"alpha" is not an excuse for a game and anti cheat system that has been out this amount of time.

[edonovan 15]

Adding a "who killed who" notice isn't going to help anything, as the deaths are either from falling or from the legit players you have been teleported to.

The best way to fix this is to monitor excessive changes in coordinates and revert them. This one fix could alleviate more than half of the hacks. The other fix would be to monitor the cause of death to make sure it was from legal weapons.

BI is not going to fix it, so it is unfortunately up to the mod team to hack something together.

[tonic-_- 42]

I can now say without being yelled at what I am about to say...

For the morons telling the dayz team to fix it, you're stupid. This is a MODIFICATION for a GAME, they have limited control to fix the cheating issue, bits an pieces have been put into the recent 1.7.2.x patches to combat against cheaters but it's never enough. You want to cry to someone go cry to Bohemia and Battleye otherwise gtfo.

And you want to know something else? CHEATING will always be a problem no matter what game it is and what Anti-Cheat software they use. For example: Battlefield 3 and any game running Punk Buster, a developer that works for Punk buster also in his spare time creates cheats and resells them to the masses on a framework called HelioS. So to sit there and complain, whine and moan about DayZ and BE being shitty you really need to look at the facts and realize that the only thing you're doing with these topics is providing delicious tears for people to feed upon.

As far as admins being powerless that is nothing but a lie, there is a feature called Script Detection in Battleye, LEARN the arma engine and learn what to detect by using it, stop playing the "I'm defenseless admin" move and start reading up.

So your options are...

A: Stop being stupid and start doing your research.

B: Stop whining and take it like a normal person.

C: Complain to BIS and Battleye and get people to rally together to complain to them so that something is done.

D: Stop playing it and gtfo.

You know what... Feels so good to get that out of my system without the possibility of getting in trouble.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Tonic

[suito 17]

At all, there is no way to patch this until ArmA3 Enginge goes on start. allmost everything is on client side in ArmA2, so you have no chance to do anything about it, you can easy bypass BattleEye(worst anitcheat i ever know) and do whatever u want .. not cool ._.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Suito

[edonovan 15]

CHEATING will always be a problem no matter what game it is and what Anti-Cheat software they use.

The severity of the hacks for this game go way beyond simply cheating. I have to think you are a hacker if you truly believe we shouldn't say anything about these.

Maybe if there is enough of an uproar from the dayz community, even if rocket and team cannot fix it, they will have enough pull with BI to be able to fix them in the Arma engine.

These hacks are spreading each day, and it is only a matter of time before the fans lose hope and just stop playing. My friends have already decided to shelf dayz until the hacking subsides a bit, and I've started playing forumZ until I think the possibility of having fun returns.

[huthatis 15]

Can we get some dev/Rocket response to these posts. This is obviously a problem and yet, nothing official has come down addressing it. I love how Rocket can do an one hour youtube interview with sidestrafe, but can't come into forums and say something meaningful about an issue that is really ruining the game. HIS game. I don't know if he is oblivious to this problem or just ignoring the literally hundreds and hundreds of threads about hackers, but its getting old. This game is going nowhere fast if he doesn't get some help and all of his time spent coding for it, by himself, will be for naught.

Here's the interview for those of you interested:

I kind of had this playing in the background when I was doing something else, but I don't remember him saying anything about hackers in it.

I don't comb through these forums all day and maybe he has said something about it and I just missed it. If that is the case I'd appreciate it if someone linked it for me.

Also, in response to those who flame us for complaining to the DayZ team, the way I see it, its their game/mod so its their responsibility. I don't really see BIS listening to gamers about some mod that they didn't even develop and after all, these are the DAYZ forums and we play DAYZ. It may be a Battle Eye issue, but the developers for DayZ are our link to BIS and they are the ones that would have the clout with BIS to get something done about this. If we keep making legitimate posts addressing legitimate issues with the game, the DayZ team can bring this to BIS as evidence that something on their end is broken and needs fixing, in this case, Battle Eye.

The game has potential to sell millions of copies of Arma II, but if this keeps up BIS' wallets are gonna get hit because people will stop buying it and streamers will some streaming it etc. Its unfortunate that that's what it might take for BIS to move on this, but at least these posts will be a warning to any potential buyers to stay away from the game and spend their money on a game that isn't infested with hackers. Cheers.

Edited July 26, 2012 by huthatis

[suito 17]

huthatis,

i think BIS make a lot of money last time selling ArmaA2 cause of DayZ (its the only reason why i buy it) so i dont know why there support rocket so minimal (year there give some map details, a patch that fix lot of things in dayz but at all dayz is a mod)

I think, Rocket can definitly do nothing agains the hackers at the moment, i think for this he has to wrote his own anti-cheat engine or some HIVE-Checks to prevent this. The problem still is the ArmA2 engine, still not bad, but as i sayed a lot of data are clientside, so everyone who can edit stuff in his/her ram can do awesome stuff.

The only thing that the DayZ Team can fix is "doing something with other players" this is definitly a codeing bug that other players can give the server data s that change data of other players ._.

[tonic-_- 42]

No matter which way you try to think of it the entire issue will always lead back to the engine and how ArmA: 2 is designed, I'm glad to see people like Suito understand that much. The truth is the only person doing all the master coding for DayZ is Rocket, there are various other members who do work on HIVE such as Vipeax (and if you live under a rock HIVE is the server application for communicating with the database). So to sit there and selflishy say that you and everyone else need to complain and pester the key person (Rocket) with this stuff so that he can then send it to BIS when BIS already knows about the issue is absolutely fucking pointless. The only thing you're going to be doing is bothering someone who has other issues to work on and issues that are something HE can actually fix.

The only way to patch a lot of these cheats even for BIS is to change how the engine handles with the multiplayer framework, and to do that for a MOD is completely stupid, that would mean locking the engine down for a single MOD which could potentially ruin what ArmA: 2 was designed for and around because the little kids want cheat free DayZ mod, that would just piss off the real ArmA: 2 community which already has with some changes in the patch 1.62 which was pretty much designed to help around DayZ because of the popularity. So again, stop being selflish and look at the bigger picture.

As far as for the last comment about people 'giving data to the server for HIVE'. That is how the ArmA: 2 engine was designed and that is how DayZ works. When your player changes details such as position, gear loadout, etc that is all how it was designed. Obviously I can say as an ex-member of the team there are people such as Ander who monitor the database for suspicious player data on their free time to try and keep DayZ Clean. There are various people doing such things on their own free time without being paid to check for cheaters and ban them through the database and then there are server admins who do proper steps and communicate with each other about cheaters they get on their servers.

But as I said, complaining about the same shit to the wrong people is going to get you no where, the only thing you're really doing is bogging them down and the development of DayZ.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Tonic

[Robolord 11]

rocket is an idiot afaik this community is getting shit on by hackers and its sad...

That guy is working his ass of to develop a game here! You go and try to program a fuckin security against all these hackers, it takes time, game developers cant make a game unhackable in a matter of hours you know. Shut your ass up or go make a security yourself, better be gratefull for what he's doing instead of crying here.

If you call rocket a idiot, you just proove you're a completely ignorant idiot yourself!

[huthatis 15]

But as I said, complaining about the same shit to the wrong people is going to get you no where, the only thing you're really doing is bogging them down and the development of DayZ.

Last I checked and heard was that Rocket was actually being employed by BIS? So as a direct representative of the company and with DayZ being his brainchild, is he not a legitimate person to complain to? Even if you think we are complaining to the wrong people, are they really the wrong people if the right people hear our complaints in the end? I don't think so. Considering the amount of responses we've gotten from the devs about this issue, it doesn't seem like they're getting bogged down by reading what we are saying.

I don't think the point of any of these posts or threads is to place blame on anyone or thing, but these forums are a place for players to voice their frustrations about things that are wrong with the game whether its mechanics or hackers, which is exactly what we are doing.

No need to go around calling people "selfish" or "little kids" because we want things fixed. BIS has made, probably, tens of millions of dollars off this mod and they stand to make millions more. Is it too much to ask them to make a few changes? No. Can they afford to make some changes with the new windfall from DayZ? Yes. Will they lose millions in potential profits if things aren't fixed quickly? Yes. Its in their interest to fix things ASAP. I don't know much about networking or coding. I can appreciate that its very difficult and intricate and takes time. I don't think most people, myself included, expect a miracle fix by tomorrow, but I don't think some sort of official response to these posts is asking too much, especially considering the volume and deteriorating game conditions.

Anyway, DayZ is a very unique and fun game. I've never played anything like it before and considering its popularity after being around for only a short time, I think its safe to say that other people feel the same way. Competitors and imitators are watching (War Z) and developing their own versions of the DayZ idea. Its Rocket's and BIS' game to lose if they dont listen to the community.

Again, I'm not here to flame Rocket, the developers, or BIS, but BIS operates in the business world where the first person to adapt to change wins. If they dont change and adapt, then someone else will come along and make a DayZ without hackers and cheaters and BIS will be sad.

[Charlotte (DayZ) 6]

Can we get some dev/Rocket response to these posts. This is obviously a problem and yet, nothing official has come down addressing it.

I would guess there's been no official response because they don't want to come out and say something like "We can't fix it. BIS won't fix it. Wait for the next engine." for fear of losing players or indirectly encouraging hacking. If there were anything positive to say like "we're/they're working on it," I think they would have said it already. I hope I'm wrong though.

Well said, huthatis... and somehow I don't see Rocket saying "Sorry guys, I missed a release date because I had to read the Dayz forums." If that even begins to become an issue, they should hire him some help. Pretty sure Dayz has made enough money (indirectly, yes) to pay for it.

[huthatis 15]

And let's be honest Tonic, I bet 75% of people who play this game, me included, have no idea what a HIVE is, and most of them, like me also, probably don't care. We didn't buy this game to listen to BIS make excuses (or for you to make them for BIS) or to get a lesson in computer science/network engineering as to why their game is broken. Being rude to people making legitimate complaints just further discourages mature and respectful people like myself and others from voicing our frustrations in a civilized way. I appreciate and welcome you educating me a little on how things work, but please don't be a facetious asshole about it. The world is result driven. Not excuse driven. If this isn't fixed someone else will do it better and DayZ will be forgotten.

Edited July 26, 2012 by huthatis

[suito 17]

I totaly agree that rocket and the other devs dont have time to read everthink on the forum, but there is a forum team, they should read a lot of the topics AND if there found any topic that can intresst rocket they should tell him that.

At all there is no way to fix this, maybe its possible to fix the "change something of other players" function, but this still dont prevent a hacker for teleport to u and kill u

[Huey (DayZ) 87]

Enjoy the next few dayz guys, mucho mayor hacks have been detected last night, tons of people banned.

Look around and you will know what i mean. It will be nice to play again (until the next hack that is..).

[sirmike 2]

for a game this promising you give very poor support to your server admins who keep your game enjoyable. They are the reason people get to play. Because of them it's that the player returns to the available servers, paid for by the same admins that are later told not to create countless of topics about very relevant topics. Shame on this community that wants to mouth shut those who provide you gameplay morons.

[suito 17]

Enjoy the next few dayz guys, mucho mayor hacks have been detected last night, tons of people banned.

Look around and you will know what i mean. It will be nice to play again (until the next hack that is..).

How do you know it?

[komoter226@yahoo.co.uk 59]

It's funny how people think fixing hacking issues only takes 5 minutes and that BIS and BattlEye will make it official about their fixes... The global bans are slowly beginning to occur, so that's progress.

[Huey (DayZ) 87]

How do you know it?

Stay informed, fight fire with fire etc lol.

All server admins should.

[Hoboleader 22]

agree I got killed by a hacker yesterday. everyone on the server died. and friends on TS said they got tele'd to a helicopter and fell out from a haxor.

[auxdubz 1]

Some Proof of HACKERS! xD

[CAVEGRAFFITTI 61]

I can now say without being yelled at what I am about to say...

For the morons telling the dayz team to fix it, you're stupid. This is a MODIFICATION for a GAME, they have limited control to fix the cheating issue, bits an pieces have been put into the recent 1.7.2.x patches to combat against cheaters but it's never enough. You want to cry to someone go cry to Bohemia and Battleye otherwise gtfo.

And you want to know something else? CHEATING will always be a problem no matter what game it is and what Anti-Cheat software they use. For example: Battlefield 3 and any game running Punk Buster, a developer that works for Punk buster also in his spare time creates cheats and resells them to the masses on a framework called HelioS. So to sit there and complain, whine and moan about DayZ and BE being shitty you really need to look at the facts and realize that the only thing you're doing with these topics is providing delicious tears for people to feed upon.

As far as admins being powerless that is nothing but a lie, there is a feature called Script Detection in Battleye, LEARN the arma engine and learn what to detect by using it, stop playing the "I'm defenseless admin" move and start reading up.

So your options are...

A: Stop being stupid and start doing your research.

B: Stop whining and take it like a normal person.

C: Complain to BIS and Battleye and get people to rally together to complain to them so that something is done.

D: Stop playing it and gtfo.

You know what... Feels so good to get that out of my system without the possibility of getting in trouble.

Coincidentally there is a hacker called Tonic that has been banned on my server over 10 times already....

[NotSoFriendly 1]

I luckily never met a hacker or got killed by one.

Just want to bump this thread (:

[Dylan748 17]

The funny thing is that this game will not die out, everyone is overreacting and exaggerating about the scripters. There are only a couple people in this thread that actually know whats going on and whats happening, and Tonic is the only on that properly represented it.

Edited July 26, 2012 by Dylan748

[ego49er 0]

I was on a server and a hacker gave everyone snipers and gillies suits. After that he killed everyone

[Xzinum 0]

As far as admins being powerless that is nothing but a lie, there is a feature called Script Detection in Battleye, LEARN the arma engine and learn what to detect by using it, stop playing the "I'm defenseless admin" move and start reading up.

Can this info be posted somewhere?

You can point to the library and say "Learn", but it would be useful to know which book to read from.