Riddick_2K 174 Posted August 31, 2021 On 8/26/2021 at 7:08 AM, Parazight said: [cut] I would never choose the mp5k or the ump45 over a real assault rifle anyway. A player will pick up either one if they have nothing. How long will it be before you find a real assault rifle anyway? It doesn't seem practical (or possible, really) to analyze and compare the two in a vacuum. If you're going up against players then you don't want to be debating which submachine gun you're going to use. You get what you can take and then work towards and optimal load-out (assault rifle), right? Roughly I agree, however, there is a factor that perhaps you have not considered: the suppressors for pistol (which go on the MP5/UMP) are found without major problems, the suppressors for AKM/M4 are very rare and at risk of "extinction" (see the flag "count_in_cargo" & "count_in_hoarder"). This might make people prefer a "silenced" MP5/UMP to a "NOT silenced" AKM/M4 even for those who want to "hunt humans" but want to do it silently and not start an "open war". Only one point of view, I don't go hunting for humans, I avoid all possible human contacts and choose weapons with other criteria... but... I almost always have an MP5 first, and I often find first some suppressor for add... later, over time, I also find an AK74U, which is NOT my favorite shotgun, but it is always a better caliber... but I can't "throw" a silenced machine gun for a NON silenced one. And so both remain: MP5 to be used and the AK74U waiting for a suppressor that, often, never comes... Then, sometimes, I also find an AKM (very rarely an M4), but much more rarely also a suppressor... and the MP5 stays in my backpack because it continues to be the only suppressed machine gun I have. The NOT suppressed AKM/M4 remains as a last resort anti-bear, but if I have to defend myself from a human, I would always take the suppressed MP5 in order not to attract ½ map of Z and passing humans, even at the cost of having to use a few shots in more. Subjective tactical choices 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonyeh 454 Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Riddick_2K said: The real "hoarder problem" is that these programmers have put these 2 flags "count_in_cargo" & "count_in_hoarder" which are the real culprits for the absence of certain weapons. It is these 2 flags that block the respawn of certain weapons even if they are only deposited or hidden by someone... and considering that their number is very limited, just one player is enough to find an M4 with Suppressor, duplicate another 7 and hide them and in that server you will NEVER see any M4 and any Standardized Suppressor again (for this last the maximum is 5, not 8). Same goes for the AKM and the Normalized Suppressor This is the real problem, which these programmers don't understand and/or never play this game. As I have already written several times it seems that they hate this game or its players... for how they are handling it. The reason for the flags was to stop everyone running around with an AK or M4. So the devs had sound reasoning to put them in. They just didn't count on people running around the map and, basically, eliminating the top tier stuff from the game to the point where there were tons of people complaining that they couldn't find a decent gun anywhere. To me, however, those flags are the absolute worst thing about the game and I'm waiting for the time that they're gone from it. These days, though, with the boost in lethality of 7.62x39 (That is until they nerf it again.), it doesn't really matter as much any more. Picking up an SKS means you have an excellent rifle and there's a lot of ammo available for it. I've dropped M4's to take an SKS in 1.13. My only issue with it is it's semi and cannot take a real suppressor. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DefectiveWater 539 Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Tonyeh said: Picking up an SKS means you have an excellent rifle and there's a lot of ammo available for it. I've dropped M4's to take an SKS in 1.13. My only issue with it is it's semi and cannot take a real suppressor. Yup... dropped several AKMs and AK74s, heck even Mosins and such just for an SKS. I don't mind the fact it's semi, but suppressor and lack of clips... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Riddick_2K 174 Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) It is something that does not make sense and is not even balanced. The real damage to a game is NOT when some weapon is very powerful.... but when it is "lockable" for the exclusive benefit of one or a few players. This is what unbalances the game. If you allow one or a few to hoard and block the entire economy of the game to their exclusive advantage (by exploiting those flags) this is a real damage to the game. Is it possible that no one understands it? It is 1000 times better that EVERYONE has an M4 than ONLY one (or a group / clan) and can dominate a server. One thing is the "rare" equipment where few specimens are born and you have to struggle a lot to find it... but once found and taken, they are reborn indefinitely for all... this is fine (NVG, for example), another is the "impossible" equipment where few specimens are already born, but someone can completely block the birth of others... this is BAD! Under these conditions it is better not to put anything and at least all players return fairly even. I still think this game is very poorly written and even worse handled... 😞 About the SK. I don't know if anything has changed to 7.62x39 with 1.13, my latest tests concern 1.12, and was 5.56x45 quite more powerful, for this... except for other specific needs (but I believe that in this case things are coincident), the M4 is definitely better and since the SK and AKM use the same cartridges, but the AKM has magazines and suppressors, I would NEVER throw an AKM for an SK: it makes no sense. least of all an M4 for a SK. And I think very few are also looking for it, in recent days, that I'm trying to build a couple of characters on as many public vanilla servers, of AKM or M4 not even the shadow, instead I find tons of SK and many M16... that obviously nobody wants. And in this case I agree, I always skip them too, I much prefer an AK74U, rather. P.S. We already have VSD, FAL and VSS which are very rare (in + 1000 hours on vanilla servers I have never seen a Heli-Crash) and can be blocked with those "criminal" flags ... so OP ... why block also these "classic" machine guns ? 🙁 These are real discrimination allowed between players. 😟 Edited August 31, 2021 by Riddick_2K Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
