Proposal for Winchester 1866 Ladder sight; using the numpad option for site switch.

[Captain Q 3]

Before you say "what the hell are you talking about, and what is a ladder sight?"

I personally am not familiar with ladder sights. However, there is another optic that is very similar that I know more about to convey the explanation; a "Vernier sight." The Vernier sight is an old-fashioned optic used on rifles before scopes really became popular.

I really think Tom Selleck using the gun would explain it better than I can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i88-5SYY9cQ

If you want to the get to the point in the video, the moments mentioning the Vernier sight are "0:54" and, of course the aiming and shooting part, at 2:50. The show is called "Quigley down under" and I liked it enough to pick it up on Bluray. It's a western that takes place in Australia, with Alan Rickman as the villain lead-a wonderful preformance.

Movie aside, if you're not interested in watching how the sight works, then here's a page to explain it:

http://www.uslink.com/~tom1/vernier.htm

Here's a site with detailed pictures, and a shorter explanation.

http://www.hallowellco.com/vernier_tang_sight.htm

Here is a picture of a raised ladder sight; http://www.gunblast.com/images/Chaparral-1876/MVC-385F.jpg

Now with *what* a ladder sight basically is, it's time for me to explain *WHY WE NEED ONE*.

The Winchester 1866 has a limited range of 150 yards without sufficient drop compensation; which is raising the rifle a mite to actually hit the target with the bullet. At around 200 yards away, there is NO WAY you can see the target and hit it without compensating so much that you can no longer see the target past the sights. In my experience, I can manage a shot past that, but it's a blind shot, and I certainly can't hit a moving target with that.

I have a few reasons why the Ladder sight should be something we can switch to.

1. It increases the ability of the Winchester 1866 to preform realistically as well as its combat ability.

2. It's already attached to the rifle in the first place, we just can't use it for some reason... If you look at the iron sights, you will see the little sight laid down on the barrel.

Also:

On the DayZ wiki page, the sight is extended as it should be when in use.

http://dayzwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Weapon_Winchester_1866.png

How it's done?

In traditional ArmA fashion, some weapons have optics that you can switch by pressing a button. In default cases, that would be the / button on the numpad. The Winchester Ladder sight can be animated to raise, and you could, possibly, look through it like a scope, except it would be a metal frame with a square hole to look through, sort of like the red dot on the M4-cco except no little lazer. That, or you could just look through it like a sniper scope and the outer area would be blurred.

Using the page up/page down, you would be able to adjust the range from 100 to 400 or 500 yards.

It wouldn't be hard to implement, and it would be very great to have this function actually working. The thing is already there, and it's kind of pointless to have the Ladder sight attached but just sitting there doing nothing.

Anyone who is in contact with the developers and reading this, please put fourth this topic. I think it would be a great addition since the basics are already there.

I had to edit: I had the Vernier sight confused with the Winchester Ladder sight. Both had the same principles however, so no worries :)

[FlashHawk4 44]

So that's what those are called. I agree with you on the good old fashioned adjustable sights. The Lee Enfield has volley sights on it, or whatever those are called, which adjust to 2000 yards (good luck with that, mate), but hey. It would be realistic, and it would also help noobs a little bit in terms of fighting against snipers.

[Haplo (DayZ) 44]

this is awesome!!

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I vote for this. Would be great fun to snipe people with Winnie and Enfield in Cherno/Elector

[Captain Q 3]

There may be a problem with the enfield volley sight... The Enfield was implemented into the game by the original ArmA company. To edit that gun would require editing original ArmA files to actually put a volley sight on, which is something that I think the people working on the mod wouldn't want to do. However, since the Winchester has the ladder sight on it already, and the DayZ team made it, they wouldn't need to change any base ArmA files in order to incorporate the feature.

[FlashHawk4 44]

If they introduce a Mosin Nagant, that could be where they implement it. It might be a bit redundant to do so, but there's already a good bit of redundancy in the armament of this game. Like the 870 and 1014 and the 1911 and revolver. Those weapons are only barely different, and therefore the Mosin and the Enfield could be different. Like volley sights on one, or perhaps my earlier suggestion of a bayonet as a fire mode. Also, they have different ammo types and capacity, and 7.62x54R already exists in the game in the form of the unspeakably rare SVD round. People are constantly clamoring for more Warsaw Pact weapons since this is Warsaw Pact turf, and since statistically the Mosin Nagant is the most common civilian firearm in almost every ex Warsaw Pact state, there you go.