AK sidemounts

[skully172 33]

I guess that in the future more ak scopes could be added, i`m sure people already mentioned this but i don`t know if they mentioned a picatinny rail side mount.

 

AK scopes that could be added:

 

Picatinny rail side mount:

 

That means that the ak can take the same scopes as the m4. This was the most simple sidemount i could find.

Edited February 20, 2015 by Skully172

[stielhandgranate 480]

Very good layout. I really can see these being welcomed. The rail mount would be welcome as even memebers of the Russian military use optics such as EOTechs and M68s on their AK pattern rifles. Here is an EOTech on a VAL.

 

[The Aquatic Land Walrus 565]

Is that a fucking can opener on his gun?

[gibonez 3633]

[stielhandgranate 480]

 

 

Tell that to actual Russians

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 20, 2015 by Dale Gribble

[Damnyourdeadman 1045]

Tell that to actual Russians

 

Tell that to Ivan....

 

 

Jokes aside though,Peter did mention adding rails as part of an advanced crafting system in the latest Status Report.

 

 

Next we have a prototype ready for continuously usage of items which will be used in new controls/interactions, this means that you are continuously using item in hand by holding mouse button, when you release it use action is stopped. With the new animation system added to the mix it means that also eating and drinking during movement will be possible. The last prototype I would like to mention is the one which was done for the advanced crafting. It's flexible enough to be used as a field crafting and also table crafting. The point is that you need to put all your items from which you want to craft something new in front of you then equip right tool in your hand and directly interact with the item pool to produce the desired new crafted item. This solution is giving us few important possibilities like adding meaning to the plethora of tools we already have in game, crafting complex items without need of intermediate products which are most of the time useless. As well, turn some of the stationary tables with machinery in houses and industry structures to crafting tables where you will be able to produce crafted rails for scopes, modify weapons and do other advanced processes.

 

So,yeah...i guess it's happening! :D

Edited February 20, 2015 by Damnyourdeadman

[gibonez 3633]

Tell that to actual Russians

 

Yup all in very very I mean Very limited numbers.

 

The russian infantry is a poor one. It was not until 2006 that the Russian infantry even started getting regularly issued body armor.

 

To this day in 2015 Russian Infantry still does not have NVGs issued to each soldier.

 

 

There are 2-4 1P63 collimator sights per squad. It depends on commander how they would be distributed along the men (e. g. 1st and 2nd patoons consist most of the contract operators, means they’d get 4 sights per unit, rather then 3rd platoon with recruit men, who get 2 sights per unit). There are units fully complected with 4 sights per squad. Usually, there are 25-40 sights per company.

There are no helmet-mounted NVG’s in units, but many firearm-mounted scopes ( 1P51 “NSPU-3” ), 3-5 units per squad, 30-50 per company.

 

The pictures you posted are extremely rare cases of either the soldiers buying their own rail adapters or specialized special units who have the luxury of mounting these highly specialized and not very common rail systems.

 

So therefore the likelyhood of finding something like that in game is almost zilch.

 

so yea lets not make it seem like this is very common at all.

 

 

 

So,yeah...i guess it's happening! :D

 

Pretty sure what they were talking about was railed mounts for bolt action rifles such as this one that is actually quite common.

 

Edited February 20, 2015 by gibonez

[stielhandgranate 480]

The pictures you posted are extremely rare cases of either the soldiers buying their own rail adapters or specialized special units who have the luxury of mounting these highly specialized and not very common rail systems.

 

So therefore the likelyhood of finding something like that in game is almost zilch.

 

so yea lets not make it seem like this is very common at all.

 

More common than MASKA helmets,PM-73s and AK-101s. Make the rail adapter helicopter loot. M68s already are. They are already popular among civilian circles if we ever see sporter AK rifles.  "I don't like rails because /k/ told me not to like them" isn't a good reason to not include them.

[gibonez 3633]

More common than MASKA helmets,PM-73s and AK-101s. Make the rail adapter helicopter loot. M68s already are. They are already popular among civilian circles if we ever see sporter AK rifles.  "I don't like rails because /k/ told me not to like them" isn't a good reason to not include them.

 

Popular in AMERICA.

 

I am just saying those types of rails are not common in the Russian Military what makes you think they would be found at any capacity in a Chenarus.

 

Keeping the AK stuck with ak style optics is a good gameplay decision too.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Popular in AMERICA.

 

I am just saying those types of rails are not common in the Russian Military what makes you think they would be found at any capacity in a Chenarus.

 

 

 

Popular in RUSSIA. Those photos I provided are photos of Russians, not Americans. And they seem to be very common among professional cadre. You are just arbitrarily claiming they aren't common despite my evidence to the contrary.

 

Have some more images of Russian military and police forces:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DURRHUNTER 597]

could you please use spoilers?

what they want^

what i want:

Its simple really, a decked out Ak or M4 means nothing if someone with a Repeater shoots you in the head.

Edited February 21, 2015 by DURRHUNTER

[stielhandgranate 480]

 

 

There is a huge step from quint stack magazines and all that useless crap on a AR-15 and optics.

[gibonez 3633]

Popular in RUSSIA. Those photos I provided are photos of Russians, not Americans. And they seem to be very common among professional cadre. You are just arbitrarily claiming they aren't common despite my evidence to the contrary.

 

Have some more images of Russian military and police forces:

 

 

Once again those are not ordinary infantry units that make up the vast vast majority of the Russian Infantry.

 

Those are the very specialized interior units and special forces units.

 

You have to remember that Russia still largely depends on conscripts and the make up of their infantry is not like the west where we largely have a professional all volunteer military.

 

Want a picture of what the average infantry soldier in Russia actually looks like ?

 

 

Even their non conscript infantry does not have optics issued.

 

I mean the Russians struggle to even provide their soldiers body armor you really telling me that the average soldier will have these specialized mounts.

 

of course not.

 

The guys you are posting are not your average soldier, they are special forces.

 

Also a hugely important thing to note is that the vast majority of the optics and mounts you see in the pictures were not even government issued, the soldiers themselves procured it themselves as you can see with the non standardization of rails and optic choices.

 

The russian military is just in early stages of modernizing its military its going to be quite a while before they start issuing optics in good numbers and they certainly would not do it now when the ak74m is already on the way out for the ak12.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Once again those are not ordinary infantry units that make up the vast vast majority of the Russian Infantry.

 

Those are the very specialized interior units and special forces units.

 

You have to remember that Russia still largely depends on conscripts and the make up of their infantry is not like the west where we largely have a professional all volunteer military.

 

Want a picture of what the average infantry soldier in Russia actually looks like ?

 

 

 

Even their non conscript infantry does not have optics issued.

 

 

I mean the Russians struggle to even provide their soldiers body armor you really telling me that the average soldier will have these specialized mounts.

 

of course not.

 

The guys you are posting are not your average soldier, they are special forces.

 

Also a hugely important thing to note is that the vast majority of the optics and mounts you see in the pictures were not even government issued, the soldiers themselves procured it themselves as you can see with the non standardization of rails and optic choices.

 

The russian military is just in early stages of modernizing its military its going to be quite a while before they start issuing optics in good numbers and they certainly would not do it now when the ak74m is already on the way out for the ak12.

 

I'm not saying every AKM and AK-74 should have a rail mount but they are not as uncommon as you claim that they should be dismissed. MASKA helmets are very uncommon yet we have them in game. A rail adapter that allows players to fit western red dots on their AK pattern guns would be a good thing. The fact that the Russian military does not have a standardization of optics unlike the US military for it's regular forces means it would be logical to see many variations and personalized weapons. Also the US military does not use the M4A1 as much as the M4 yet we see a healthy amount of M4A1s in game. Rare does not equal would not be good in dayz.

[gibonez 3633]

I'm not saying every AKM and AK-74 should have a rail mount but they are not as uncommon as you claim that they should be dismissed. MASKA helmets are very uncommon yet we have them in game. A rail adapter that allows players to fit western red dots on their AK pattern guns would be a good thing. The fact that the Russian military does not have a standardization of optics unlike the US military for it's regular forces means it would be logical to see many variations and personalized weapons. Also the US military does not use the M4A1 as much as the M4 yet we see a healthy amount of M4A1s in game. Rare does not equal would not be good in dayz.

 

I still don't see it as a realistic or plausible addition.

 

It's really hard for me to show you just how poor the Russian Military is, especially when it comes to these things that are considered luxury.

 

Hell up until recently the Russian Infantry would use foot wraps, they JUST NOW started using socks.

 

 

Yes that is what Russian troops wore up until very recently.

 

 

In the Russian army, footwraps remained in use for tasks requiring the wear of heavy boots until 2013, because they were considered to offer a better fit with standard-issue boots. Because of their association with the Russian army, footwraps are called chaussettes russes (Russian stockings) in French.

Edited February 21, 2015 by gibonez

[liquidcactus 719]

Spose...

[stielhandgranate 480]

I still don't see it as a realistic or plausible addition.

 

It's really hard for me to show you just how poor the Russian Military is, especially when it comes to these things that are considered luxury.

 

Hell up until recently the Russian Infantry would use foot wraps, they JUST NOW started using socks.

 

They use it in real life, then it is realistic. Just like when you claimed finding RPG-7s in Chernarus was unrealistic, you seem to be misusing the word.

 

And yes I know the Russian military is subpar and only now attempting to modernize. But still, picatinny rails are in use with soldiers even if they they are personally purchased. The Midwest industries AK mount in game uses rails but a rail adapter is unrealistic?

[IgnobleBasterd 161]

Is that a fucking can opener on his gun?

I think that's actually connected to his clothing, and the pespective is making it look like it is on the gun.

[nillie 30]

To summarize the post below :  Rail kits, conversions and rail compatible optics are available for any law enforcement or government agency, as well as civilian gun owners in Russia. In military terms , they are only issued to currently operational units (in limited numbers). 99% of the arsenal stored in Russian military bases will have no scopes or rails. Conscripts and regulars will probably never eve see or hold a PSO-1 scope, as they are normally issued to a matching SVD sniper rifle, which in turn is only issued to a marksman.

 

Weapon manufactures like Izhmash have begun offering rail conversions for their weapons, or even producing weapons with integrated rails like the Mk 107. There are also 3rd party manufactures (like Zenitco in Moskow), who offer rail hand guards, railed scope mounts and top receivers for a large variety of AK family weapons. These can be freely purchased by individuals and organizations.

I agree that they have certainly become increasingly popular with local law enforcement agencies, government agencies and special forces, as well as civilian gun owners...

 

However, the military modernization program started after the invasion of Georgia has once again stalled. I think we need to make a clear distinction between weapons beeing tested in limited numbers by OPERATIONAL UNITS, and weapons kept in storages at normal military bases and ammunition stockpiles.

 

It all depends on how you look at Chernarus really. Do you consider it a place where the Russian military was actively operating ? The you should probably find rail accessories here and there, but they should not be common. In fact, if you would want the military bases to reflect what a normal Russian military base would look like, there should be nothing there but a pile of AKM / AK 74 machine guns, RPG's and lots of stockpiled ammunition. As stated by somebody before : Infantry regulars will not have any scopes. PSO-1 scopes typically come attached to a matching SVD rifle.

 

This does not change overnight. It would literally take decades to start converting AKMs and AK-74s stored at military bases with any sort of kit or scope. Therefor, Russia plans to simply find a cheap and easy to produce modern rifle with integrated rails (like the A-545) and simply produce off the shelf optics and accessories with it.

 

Finally : IMHO :

Rails should never be a craftable item, its just not realistic imho. AK type Rail kits should be available in limited numbers and various shapes and sizes, and should be interchangabe between most if not all AK type rifles, with possible exceptions for the Krinkov and maybe the AKM. They should not be found as a standalone, and should spawn randomly attached to weapons. The survivor can then simply detach the rail and attach it to his own weapon, or simply loot the entire weapon. Perhaps a screwdriver may be needed to do this.

 

Also : the more commonly known russian close range optics like Kobra, have variants that can be used on weaver or picatinny rails as you can see in the picture posted by the OP.. Most russian optics, even the modern ones, still use the AK type side mount which usually comes attached to the optics. Again : loads of different variants with 0 standardization. All different shapes and sizes, but they all fit tho.

Edited February 24, 2015 by nillie