Solo play + recovering blood

[Hendrix (DayZ) 14]

You did not read my opening post very well. Medkits would be unusable whilst bleeding/shaking/broken leg for this very reason. To stop people from using it during a firefight. If you give the other players enough time to go bandage/morphine/take painkillers' date=' then its your own fault. Medkits wouldnt even give you full blood, like blood bags do.

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Currently in game most times your shot you either die instantly cause it was a high calibur bullet or a head shot or if it was a handgun and you win the fight you may only lose a few thousand blood thats 3 meat steaks approx. that can be infinitely farmed in the woods....plus any pain pills or morphine you may need to take....or the shock mechanic you just have to endure for the 5 minutes it lasts.

I don't think the developer wants to make it too easy to regain life even out of combat for solo players. Is finding 3 items to farm infinite health that hard?

I suggest you go to the Day Z wiki and learn the spawn locations it is far too easy with the current mechanics to not die in game if you want a second chance in combat you need a partner, that encourages players to play together and form relationships organicaly ...I don't think the devs want to ruin that by making single players able to do it too easy....

[Dazbuzz 0]

You yourself say finding cooked meat is easy, yet you dont want the devs to make it easy for players to heal? Seems contradictory.

How much damage you take depends very much on the situation. Yes there are guns that OHKO, or times when you will take very little damage. But having a more efficient way to heal, that consumes very little space doesnt seem that overpowered. Remember, these medkits would be rare spawns, nowhere near as common as you claim animals to be. Think of it as a sniper being an upgrade of an enfield, a medkit is an upgrade of cooked meat.

[Hendrix (DayZ) 14]

Well' date=' according to most, it isnt working. Team play is already infinitely better than playing alone, its just hard to find people who dont shoot on sight. Does this make it ok to handicap solo players who come up against organized teams? I dont think that is fair.

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Solo players are not handicapped in the slightest with 3 items

matchbook,axe,hunting knife you can make infinite meat steaks that heal 800 blood each.

What is in any way hard about that?...you can go hunt in a forest away from all players with zero chance at getting hurt and zero opposition and competition while nubs kill each other in electro for cans of beans...it is the easiest mechanic in the game by far....

hunting knife and axe are common spawns you can find them in gas stations barns and most sheds....matches are more rare but are also residential spawns look at the day z wiki and the abundant maps on the web for their location it is not hard to get the infinite life loop going and making people do 1-3 minutes of work for 8 steaks at 800 blood each is hardly a broken mechanic in favor of the teams...

the fact of the matter is it is currently too easy to get infinite blood from hunting and more likely to get nerfed then buffed if you think other wise you are betraying the fact you know little about the game and are likely a new player that doesn't know the spawn locations spend 20 minutes looking at the wiki learn a few and you will see how rediculously easy it is in game atm....

[Ypsan 20]

I'm on the opposite side of the fence here. I think healing yourself with stakes is far to easy to ever need anyone for help. I've been down to less than 3000 health and healed my self back up in less than an hour hunting animals and cooking meat. Why would I be risking getting shot around hospitals searching for medpacks when I can heal fast enough cooking steakes deep in the woods?

[Hendrix (DayZ) 14]

You yourself say finding cooked meat is easy' date=' yet you dont want the devs to make it easy for players to heal? Seems contradictory.

How much damage you take depends very much on the situation. Yes there are guns that OHKO, or times when you will take very little damage. But having a more efficient way to heal, that consumes very little space doesnt seem that overpowered. Remember, these medkits would be rare spawns, nowhere near as common as you claim animals to be. Think of it as a sniper being an upgrade of an enfield, a medkit is an upgrade of cooked meat.

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You don't find cooked meat you make it....sigh....I give up your such a noob ...go read the DAY Z wiki if my step by step is to hard to follow...you can hunt the animals you see in game every one you kill drops meat with the 3 items I mentioned about 5 billion times previously you can turn that meat into cooked meat and keep hunting them as much as you want....thus giving you acess to an infinite supply of 800 blood cooked meat steaks which you can carry on you at all times....why would the developer make that entire mechanic obsolete? GO LEARN HOW TO HUNT! ...or better yet read my step by step explanation post a few pages back it isnt hard in the slightest.....

This isnt world of warcraft there is no in combat out of combat state if you allow people to regain too much life in one button press the pro's will have practically unkillable packs of players that would be horrible for single players please stop being argumentative and go learn the game as it is on the Day Z wiki if you did you would know how easy it is atm...

[Dazbuzz 0]

Because the medkits would simply be a space saver. 2 medkits vs carrying 10-12 steaks. If you both think cooked meat is too easy, how is a very rare medkit making it easier?

[Hendrix (DayZ) 14]

I'm on the opposite side of the fence here. I think healing yourself with stakes is far to easy to ever need anyone for help. I've been down to less than 3000 health and healed my self back up in less than an hour hunting animals and cooking meat. Why would I be risking getting shot around hospitals searching for medpacks when I can heal fast enough cooking steakes deep in the woods?

Exactly my point the current state is way OP atm and in no need of a buff....I don't know if a nerf is needed maybe making certain meat steaks from certain animals worth less or maybe it's fine but it certainly doen't need a buff....

[vesmo 21]

Blood regen would work. Increased regen speed when you stop and when you eat and drink?

Eating food would temporarily increase the speed of your regen as well as drinking things. Stopping to rest and catch your breath etc. Im not saying that we need some super human blood regen but lets be real guys.

Also add an action or animation at a hospital or military tent that allows you to recover all your life instantly but where you need a blood pack to do it.

Also to make a little more realistic. When you are super low on blood your blood regens much slower. When you are pretty good on blood it regens faster. Why? Because the more cells you have in your blood the faster they multiply. When you are dehydrated or hungry your character should NOT be regenerating blood at all.

The erythrocytes (blood cells) don't divide in the plasma (in fact they don't have that capability at all as they lack a nucleus), they are created from stem cells in the bone marrow. But generally you are right, if you are in good condition then the marrow can produce blood cells faster.

Overall I think blood recovering should be nerfed rather than buffed. It makes no sense you can gorge yourself on food to recover blood, there should be a limit as to how much you can eat at a time, and eating should recover blood over time instead of instantly.

As for regen, I think it should be EXTREMELY slow, and would require you to stay well fed for a long period of time, i.e. if you let your hunger and thirst drop to red (not even all the way to blinking) then regen would slow down and come to a halt. This would make scavenging for supplies more interesting as you would have to eat/drink more often if you want to keep regenerating. Obviously temperature could come and play a role here too, but I think it is still some ways away from being properly implemented in the game.

[Dazbuzz 0]

You yourself say finding cooked meat is easy' date=' yet you dont want the devs to make it easy for players to heal? Seems contradictory.

How much damage you take depends very much on the situation. Yes there are guns that OHKO, or times when you will take very little damage. But having a more efficient way to heal, that consumes very little space doesnt seem that overpowered. Remember, these medkits would be rare spawns, nowhere near as common as you claim animals to be. Think of it as a sniper being an upgrade of an enfield, a medkit is an upgrade of cooked meat.

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You don't find cooked meat you make it....sigh....I give up your such a noob ...go read the DAY Z wiki if my step by step is to hard to follow...you can hunt the animals you see in game every one you kill drops meat with the 3 items I mentioned about 5 billion times previously you can turn that meat into cooked meat and keep hunting them as much as you want....thus giving you acess to an infinite supply of 800 blood cooked meat steaks which you can carry on you at all times....why would the developer make that entire mechanic obsolete? GO LEARN HOW TO HUNT! ...or better yet read my step by step explanation post a few pages back it isnt hard in the slightest.....

This isnt world of warcraft there is no in combat out of combat state if you allow people to regain too much life in one button press the pro's will have practically unkillable packs of players that would be horrible for single players please stop being argumentative and go learn the game as it is on the Day Z wiki if you did you would know how easy it is atm...

Im a...noob? Well ok. I am well aware of the fact you need to cook meat. You have very nicely given the the noob(myself) a very detailed guide for the whole process. I was simply shortening my response, assuming you would understand we both know the process. i guess i should be abit more obvious when responding to you. Noted.

I am not being argumentative. I stated many posts ago that i didnt want to continue to debate this, as its obvious you will not agree. I have no desire to turn this into an argument. So i shall stop responding to your posts specifically.

[deathwizard77@gmail.com 28]

I would just like to add one major thing that keeps coming up. People keep saying you naturally regen blood. This is only because you eat. Hence the blood gained from the food. Your body would not produce additional blood if your nutrition was low.

Overall I just recently started playing with other people and we still use meat more often then blood bags because of availability. Also blood bag seems like a waste unless your under like 7-8k but it is allot safer to run around with 11.5k health then 9k health which few meat is perfect.

You keep comparing 8 slots to 1 slot but the fact is 1. It is suppose to be easier with groups and 2. You also have food on you which 1 bloodbag does not give you. Dual purpose. Fact is anyone (especially in NW) will have at least 3 sources of food on them if not more. ATM I am carrying 5 so right now I have 2 blood bags and 4 meat 1 beans. Fact is that's 7 slots that you could have 8 meat and still have what i have for food plus 1-2 bloodbags of blood (fact is usually bags are used around 8k-9k so only 3-4k gain. So it is more like you lose 2-3 slots being alone not 7 slots. 2-3 slots for being alone in a survival situation is not bad.

[Hendrix (DayZ) 14]

Because the medkits would simply be a space saver. 2 medkits vs carrying 10-12 steaks. If you both think cooked meat is too easy' date=' how is a very rare medkit making it easier?

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Ok noob I will tell you exactly how to play the game because i'm tired of your whinning....

1. you spawn....run to a major coast city or an airport whichever is closer to you search any loot spawns you encounter on the way as residential spawns drop the rare matchbooks...Airports have rare spawn weapons and items in the hangers and the main tower...cities have match books, larger backpacks, maps, axes hunting knives,handguns rifles ect check all the lootable houses sheds and outhouses you find the fire station has rare loot the industrial areas have barbwire and toolkits and the houses with wells and pumps can refill canteens.....

2. Before you leave a major city you should have a bigger pack, an axe a handgun a rifle a hunting knife and a matchbook at the very least....avoid other players like the plague...low crawl or crouch walk past zombies never shoot them in a city and get the gear you need then run for your life..... make sure you search the major cities hospital for 5 morphine and 5 painpills and some spare bandages ....the boxes of supplies drop them infinitely if they are near empty take the items out from them or around them they will repop more medical loot....

3. if you don't have a canteen by now you can find them on the road in the smaller cities get multiple canteens not just one getting one is a mistake noobs make....if you have multiple canteens you can go longer without needing to risk your life finding water and refilling them and when you do see water you can refill them all to full and take a drink I usually roll with a minimum of 4 canteens thus allowing me to avoid needing to get water for entire play sessions....

4. know how to conseve supplies YOU NEVER EAT OR DRINK WHEN THE COLOR CHANGES only noobs do that...you are a survivalist you need food when your food or water flashes a deep red color...this indicates that within 15 minutes or so you will begin to bleed out till you die if you don't eat or drink...once your an ultra pro you can time it down to the second and take a swig of water or eat some food right before the timer ends thus conseving any food you have and spending hours of game time without needing food.....scrubs complain about food perdominetly because they do not know this now you do...use that advantage....also every time you find a can of beans or soda immediately consume it keeping you at max hunger or thirst you will never carry beans or soda on you you max out your pack with meat steaks and your canteens only leaving room for other loot and ammo...

5. Now go hunt kill an animal take it's raw meat and cook it for infinite food to go with your infinite water....

6. Make the decision of your destiny ....go live in the woods or the debug forest only coming out to hunt meat and refill water ....or go fight people...or go help....you are officially now not a noob and only your decisions and bandits can kill you.....

I do most of this in the first hour of any game I died on with a week of practice you will too....go read the Day Z wiki memorize what buildings spawn what loot in cities and rural towns...profit...go help other nubs...

[Dazbuzz 0]

Lets take a look...

Assuming you have the highest level backpack, that gives you 12 normal slots + 24 backpack slots. Thats 36 total.

Assume the 12 normal slots are full of ammo/flares/heatpack/grenades. You would probably keep some painkillers/morphine on hand too, so one of those each. Thats 12 slots used up.

The other 24 slots. Lets say you use two primary weapons. One sniper for long range, and an assault rifle for closer combat. One sniper + say 4 mags = 14 slots used.

You have 10 left.

Do you keep some spare pistol clips on your bag? Bandages? If so, thats more slots. But lets leave them out. No need to waste space, right? We will leave blood bags out too.

10 slots left. You need a water bottle, and some food, as you said. Lets say 2 slots. 8 left. 8 cooked meat = 6400 blood. Thats alot, for sure. But it completely takes up the rest of your inventory. This isnt even including several other items that use these slots, AND assumes you have the highest level backpack.

Certainly, cooked meat is a fine way to heal if you take the time to do it. But it is nowhere near as effective as a blood bag. Which takes a single slot, and can heal any amount of blood.

Remember guys, i am not suggesting the removal of cooking. Simply suggesting a more space efficient way for those who find these rare kits.

For the record. I used the Dayz wiki to guess all this. Apologies if i have messed up my math somewhere. Ill assume ive said something wrong, i usually do.

[Hendrix (DayZ) 14]

Lets take a look...

Assuming you have the highest level backpack' date=' that gives you 12 normal slots + 24 backpack slots. Thats 36 total.

Assume the 12 normal slots are full of ammo/flares/heatpack/grenades. You would probably keep some painkillers/morphine on hand too, so one of those each. Thats 12 slots used up.

The other 24 slots. Lets say you use two primary weapons. One sniper for long range, and an assault rifle for closer combat. One sniper + say 4 mags = 14 slots used.

You have 10 left.

Do you keep some spare pistol clips on your bag? Bandages? If so, thats more slots. But lets leave them out. No need to waste space, right? We will leave blood bags out too.

10 slots left. You need a water bottle, and some food, as you said. Lets say 2 slots. 8 left. 8 cooked meat = 6400 blood. Thats alot, for sure. But it completely takes up the rest of your inventory. This isnt even including several other items that use these slots, AND assumes you have the highest level backpack.

Certainly, cooked meat is a fine way to heal if you take the time to do it. But it is nowhere near as effective as a blood bag. Which takes a single slot, and can heal any amount of blood.

Remember guys, i am not suggesting the removal of cooking. Simply suggesting a more space efficient way for those who find these rare kits.

For the record. I used the Dayz wiki to guess all this. Apologies if i have messed up my math somewhere. Ill assume ive said something wrong, i usually do.

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I got 2 sentences in and shook my head....let me give you a guide as to how to build your bag as a solo player so you know what not to waste time on.....

Here are the only things you will ever NEED to pick up as a solo player...

1.a bigger backpack

2.matchbook

3.axe

4.hunting knife

5.handgun any calibur is ok but 45 prefered as 45 rounds can be converted for revolver or cartriges from the menu

6.rifle (starter lee enfield).....anything you get past that should hold the most rounds possible to limit the ammount of ammo clips you need to carry and be ranged....shotguns are useless never pick them up except untill you can get a rifle they have no range and in a sniper situation your a deadman....

7.canteen-for infinite water 4 prefered less ok...

8.meat steaks for infinite food as many as you can carry after 3-4 main weapon ammo clips, 8 bandages 5 morhine and 5 painpills and your canteens are in your inventory ....

9.morphine-5

10.painpills-5

11.bandages.-8 fewer if your using your handgun alot which I don't suggest.

As a solo player these are the only things you will ever need to carry consistently....

This is the final count... 1 morphine in main menu 1 painpill in main menu 3-4 main weapon mags in main menu 4 canteens the rest of the slots are meat steaks in main menu

The handgun menu has 4 bandages and 4 handgun clips or more clips if you need them minimal 2 bandages....

The chez backpack has 16 slots the alice 20 and the largest 24 ...

your items in these packs are the same regardless with just more room for meat...

4morphine, 4painpills, 4bandages, the rest is meat steaks ....

a chez............6-7 800 blood steaks = 4800 - 5600 blood

the alice.......10-11 800 blood steaks = 8000 - 8800 blood

the largest....14-15 800 blood steaks = 11,200 - 12,000 blood

all of said blood is gained instantly on consumption.....

You can technically carry less emergency supplies and have even more instant blood available but the current ratio of gear is perfectly balanced and better for overal survival situations.....

Items you never carry...are...

1. roadflares....you are a single survivor calling attention to your location with a road flare is about the dumbest thing you could possibly do never pick these up...

2. chem lights...see number one....

3. heatpacks...they are absolutely useless....the only way you could get cold is...

a. playing at night when it turns 32 instead of the common 42 degrees...that said you can at any time go into a forest drop 2 meat steaks light a fire pick up the meat steaks and sit and warm yourself...

b. it starts raining....you can enter a building and you will regain your warmth automatically.... if you run in the rain use trees to break the rain fall and you will not lose temp as rapidly...also if you do stay in rain to long collect wood and start a fire indoors again...you will gain heat no use for heatpack taking space....

c. go swimming for a long time...which is currently bugged...in deep water you will likely lose your pack and everything in it and if you do this for some stupid reason you deserved it....go heat yourself at a fire....dum dum

4. vehicle parts...you as a solo player have zero use for any vehicle drawing attention to yourself is the last thing you ever want to do...stay off of all vehcles bikes included you are just a snipers wet dream in a vehcle stay far from them they are for teams not you lone survivor...

5. anything else....nothing is needed for a lone survivor other then medical supplies and the food and drink items...you will only need to occassionally get pistol ammo cause it should be the only thing you use to shoot zombies, you should perdominetly stealth every town you enter...and your rifle ammo is saved for any bandits or snipers that target you at range....if you follow the above guide you are 100% self sufficient only a bad zombie pull or a random sniper headshot or hacker has any chance of killing you outright.....

Luxury items....the first 5 are nice past that it is only needed if you want to build defences around your tent if you have a toolkit available

1.Tent

2.Map

3.GPS

4.Compass

5.Toolkit

6.Wire fencing

7.Sandbag

8.Entrenching tool

9.Watch

[Dazbuzz 0]

So you would rather carry 15 cooked meat rather than 3-4 medkits?

[Hendrix (DayZ) 14]

So you would rather carry 15 cooked meat rather than 3-4 medkits?

the hunting requires risk...you have to find the animal make sure the weapon you use wont attract attention or drop your weapon and use an axe to kill the animal for silence...you have a process to cook the meat ...replacing all that with a single use item makes the entire cooking system obsolete and in .2 Rocket added beartraps that can be used to help kill animals there is ZERO CHANCE he is going to destroy the system he is progressivly building up and making more rich....you would be better off suggesting a rare animal spawn worth more blood then a medpack as it would augment the hunting instead of destroying it....an alternative would be to suggest you can combine the meat steaks into a meatloaf with more items or stack them inside of empty tin cans...making the system redundant is not even a realistic option

[Dazbuzz 0]

I can agree with that. I certainly dont want hunting to be removed. It is a very interesting feature. Farming medkits would also have risk, hospitals would be higher value targets for players in general, and military spawns are already risky.

[Sontana 8]

Some military fieldkit wloud be pretty intresting, but i mean they dont perform miracles in the hands of an amature( nither should bloodbags). And the problem with the space in your pack? Come on, all the shit you try to get in there are as big as they are, they dont shrink because u want em to. You have a limit to how much u can carry, at least i have. You may have to sacrefice your precius 2nd primary rifel but its a crule world and you are trying to survive. When i where in the army as a ranger my backpack wight about 60kg but you dont go around running and crouching with that.

Sop ( standard operation procidure): you got to survive with whatever shit u got on your body, on the ground, what u can scavange or kill for. The world will fight you, fight back and win

Ps: wrote this on my iphone so sorry for the gramatics :p

[RaviN (DayZ) 9]

Hendrix, you talk a lot of shit.. and this is Bs too.

Luxury items...

1.Tent

2.Map

3.GPS

4.Compass

5.Toolkit

6.Wire fencing

7.Sandbag

8.Entrenching tool

9.Watch

why would anyone simply want to make defences around their tent' date=' that would only bring attenton to the tent and make it obviously stand out from its surroundings, which is only something a noob would do. also if this list is for a sp or mp, why the hell is a tent No.1? the only thing in that list that has any use for anyone lone wolf [b']or not, is the compass and gps, but gps is rare a fuck so i doubt your gona find one of them in a hurry.. everything else is useless.

1. compass

2....

3....

btw Dabuzz, i understand exactly what you mean dude, ill have to give it a no from me tho, but id love to see new items in the mod however i dont think a medkit is one of them due to us having items found inside a medkit actually in our inventory. (bandage etc)..

i do suggest that you start looking for somone to team up with, gaming with a team is soo much better and can be a lot of fun too, just last night we had a team of 6 people, all of us had rare guns, me and a friend even have night vision goggles :D

[Dazbuzz 0]

To each their own. The whole point of this topic is to discuss the pro/cons of this stuff. If yall do have any suggestions, feel free to throw them out. Be they buffs or nerfs.

[RaviN (DayZ) 9]

what about fresh fruit to restore health? maybe 1000 hp.. obviously rare items found on trees or in markets?

just an idea..

[Dazbuzz 0]

Seems abit much for something found in the supermarket, compared to hunting = 800 blood. Maybe if it healed less.