Weapons w/ Magazines

[Sirwarriant12 94]

Out of the 3 barracks at Balota without server hopping i found an AKM, a full drum mag an 3 ak 101's bu not mags other than the drum. I have found crap tons of 7.62x54 and 5.56 but barely any 7.62x39. Ammo for the 101 is really common as well as the guns but the mags seem really rare.

[WindMillStalker 10]

When I was in the military the weapons slept in the armoury without mags (mags were individual equipment) unless there was a need for them, working in the private industry I never keep a mag in a weapon unless I am physically carrying it or it is my pistol for persec and even that depends where. My own personal guns never have mags in them and none of the mags have rounds in them either so as not to weaken the springs. So again I ask why would you find it normal to find tons of guns all over the place with mags in, either loaded or empty?

 

To find a few guns here and there with rounds in within the game I would consider that to be normal considering the situation but to want every firearm to automatically spawn with a mag is just nonsense.

 

If I were to find weapons with mags in I would simply remove the mags anyway and dump them out of the way if I didn't use them myself to ensure a bit of safety for myself in the immediate vacinity. If I could I'd take part of the mechanism too such as the bolt, dust cover, slide etc to increase that safety.

 

 

That all makes a ton of sense in the real, civilized society we live in.

 

DayZ however, is during the zombie apocalypse. 

[sachad 1016]

Out of the 3 barracks at Balota without server hopping i found an AKM, a full drum mag an 3 ak 101's bu not mags other than the drum. I have found crap tons of 7.62x54 and 5.56 but barely any 7.62x39. Ammo for the 101 is really common as well as the guns but the mags seem really rare.

 

For me it seems the other way around so far. I've found 4 AK101s but no AKM, yet I found 4 drum mags and at least 10 AKM mags, but only one AK101 mag. No 5.56 boxes or loose rounds, but tons of 7.62x39 ammo, both boxed and loose. In fact, I found 4 boxes of it in the Veresnik base on a single server. 

[MaxTheSurvivor 152]

I ve been through NEAF, NWAF and Balota I don t know how many times and found only an AKM with no mags before I got killed by a ghost player that shoot my with a silenced weapon (crossbow?) in 2 consecutives shoots that left me suspicious about how he could manage to find me and kill me where I was. Now I'm back looking for an assault rifle but with no luck yet. Must I say that I haven t found a mag for any assault rifle yet?

[chompster 171]

When I was in the military the weapons slept in the armoury without mags (mags were individual equipment) unless there was a need for them, working in the private industry I never keep a mag in a weapon unless I am physically carrying it or it is my pistol for persec and even that depends where. My own personal guns never have mags in them and none of the mags have rounds in them either so as not to weaken the springs. So again I ask why would you find it normal to find tons of guns all over the place with mags in, either loaded or empty?

 

To find a few guns here and there with rounds in within the game I would consider that to be normal considering the situation but to want every firearm to automatically spawn with a mag is just nonsense.

 

If I were to find weapons with mags in I would simply remove the mags anyway and dump them out of the way if I didn't use them myself to ensure a bit of safety for myself in the immediate vacinity. If I could I'd take part of the mechanism too such as the bolt, dust cover, slide etc to increase that safety.

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for every gun to spawn with a magazine in it. Not sure where you got that from.

 

And as you said, considering the situation, that being utter chaos/an outbreak/apocalypse, it would make a lot of sense to find loaded weapons as people would have been using them.

And though i get the first part of your post about why you don't keep loaded weapons, that's just you. Well not really, i'm sure there are plenty of others that do so as well. But at the same time pretty much everyone i know that owns a gun has it loaded 24/7/365. So saying "oh well i don't keep it loaded so no one else does" is also not a very good reason why you wouldn't find at least a few loaded firearms.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Chompster

[Legio23 82]

I'm pretty sure no one was asking for every gun to spawn with a magazine in it. Not sure where you got that from.

 

And as you said, considering the situation, that being utter chaos/an outbreak/apocalypse, it would make a lot of sense to find loaded weapons as people would have been using them.

And though i get the first part of your post about why you don't keep loaded weapons, that's just you. Well not really, i'm sure there are plenty of others that do so as well. But at the same time pretty much everyone i know that owns a gun has it loaded 24/7/365. So saying "oh well i don't keep it loaded so no one else does" is also not a very good reason why you wouldn't find at least a few loaded firearms.

Your arguementation was enough to imply that.

 

So you're telling me that everyone you know does it which, in the Netherlands is illegal to do, so well done to your friends there for breaking the law. I just love it with these "oh well you don't do it so that must mean that no one else does either" arguements, seriously that is something my 9 year old niece would come out with its pathetic and makes you look petty and childish.I didn't say anything of the sort now did I? People can do what the hell they like, I was voicing my opinion only not anyone elses, other people have mouths or in this case fingers and can speak/type for themselves. If you had read all my post correctly I keep my pistol loaded whilst at work depending on certain factors and know many that legally keep their weapons loaded for persec reasons where the law allows.

The other reason my guns are kept like that is because its the LAW and its more or less the same in pretty much every single EU country.

 

Back on topic, as I stated in my previous post I would consider it normal to find a certain quantity of loaded weapons around considering the situation and/or mags in close proximity. Also if I were to find weapons that were loaded I would take the mags or ammo anyway and dump them elsewhere along with any parts.

[Uutgrunnen 96]

Since we have 3 options and the argument about ammo and mags being already scavenged it should be as followed :

33% of handguns spawn with no mag

33% of handguns spawn with mag, but empty

33% of handguns spawn with mag, and loaded

 

This would be my favourite solution, not only for handguns.

 

I imagine that the situation at the time of the outbreak was a complete chaos.

So any rules about getting bullets/mags out of guns/rifles were not followed.

So in my humble opinion a solution like this would be perfect.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I for one do not mind the idea of weapons spawning with magazines and ammo or no ammo, as long as there is a chance that the condition of the guns will be in either good or very poor condition.

[chompster 171]

Your arguementation was enough to imply that.

 

So you're telling me that everyone you know does it which, in the Netherlands is illegal to do, so well done to your friends there for breaking the law. I just love it with these "oh well you don't do it so that must mean that no one else does either" arguements, seriously that is something my 9 year old niece would come out with its pathetic and makes you look petty and childish.I didn't say anything of the sort now did I? People can do what the hell they like, I was voicing my opinion only not anyone elses, other people have mouths or in this case fingers and can speak/type for themselves. If you had read all my post correctly I keep my pistol loaded whilst at work depending on certain factors and know many that legally keep their weapons loaded for persec reasons where the law allows.

The other reason my guns are kept like that is because its the LAW and its more or less the same in pretty much every single EU country.

 

Back on topic, as I stated in my previous post I would consider it normal to find a certain quantity of loaded weapons around considering the situation and/or mags in close proximity. Also if I were to find weapons that were loaded I would take the mags or ammo anyway and dump them elsewhere along with any parts.

So my argument was enough to imply something i.e. you're were just assuming it. Yet when i assume something you're saying i look childish and pathetic?  nice.

And breaking the law? did i ever say any of those people lived in The Netherlands? no. And of course the only people i know live in The Netherlands. God forbid i'v ever been to the US and know people that. nope clearly not possible. I read your post just fine and that you keep it loaded. but we aren't talking about that so thats irrelevant. were talking about finding dropped weapons with magazines in them. And this is turning into a petty argument, but you only stated you'd be fine with it after i called you out on it. your first post in this thread clearly implied that you were against any gun spawning with magazines.

 

But whatever, in the end guess we do agree that some weapons(preferably pistols imo) could spawn with a magazine. It doesn't have to have bullets in them, but it shouldn't be a surprise to find a mag in it.

[harteman 155]

If I correctly remember my military days the rules were; assault rifle on the rack, no mag on it even empty or expect to be invited by the sergeant for a little run of two hours around the military base stadium with all your pack on your back. Of course, no bullets inside the mag if inside the military complex. A few soldiers experienced the little run in the middle of the night because they forgot the security rules. DayZ seems to repect the military security rules.

Why would a few guys have to go running?  In my unit, and other infantry units I knew of, there was one guy who was in charge of the arms room.  That guy was responsible for it all.

[MaxTheSurvivor 152]

Why would a few guys have to go running?  In my unit, and other infantry units I knew of, there was one guy who was in charge of the arms room.  That guy was responsible for it all.

Then you were lucky to have someone taking care of your rifle. For us it was clear at the moment we received the assault rifle at the arsenal that we were responsible and would be held responsible for anything bad that could happen with our personnal rifle. Each infringement to security rules that were considered not too serious were punished by things like running around the stadium or stay still the whole afternoon with your full pack on your back.

When ammunition were involved and a soldier was doing something stupid like leaving a mag loaded in the baracks it was usually 3 days of jail.

My platoon once had to stay a full afternoon still with full pack on our back from 13:00 to 18:00 under a heavy sun just because a guy of our platoon arrived 5 minutes later than the schedule. He was that kind of guy a bit lost in space and after this afternoon we told him he should give up because he wasn t a soldier, he was some kind of Steve Urkel, and it wasn t the first time we were punished because of him. He told us that his father was a colonel and that he wanted to prove his dad that he was a bad ass too. That night we did a "full metal jacket" operation on him.

I guess it really depends in which weapon you are, some have harsher rules than the others. I m not that proud of the full metal jacket thing but the guy constatly sent us to fuck off, he wasn t caring about the platoon so we had to educate him.

[Legio23 82]

So my argument was enough to imply something i.e. you're were just assuming it. Yet when i assume something you're saying i look childish and pathetic?  nice.

And breaking the law? did i ever say any of those people lived in The Netherlands? no. And of course the only people i know live in The Netherlands. God forbid i'v ever been to the US and know people that. nope clearly not possible. I read your post just fine and that you keep it loaded. but we aren't talking about that so thats irrelevant. were talking about finding dropped weapons with magazines in them. And this is turning into a petty argument, but you only stated you'd be fine with it after i called you out on it. your first post in this thread clearly implied that you were against any gun spawning with magazines.

 

But whatever, in the end guess we do agree that some weapons(preferably pistols imo) could spawn with a magazine. It doesn't have to have bullets in them, but it shouldn't be a surprise to find a mag in it.

 

Oh dear there you go again with the childish retorts do you actually read what I write or just what you decide I have written ????

 

I made no implication of the sort that you didn't know anyone outside of the netherlands, you really need to learn to understand the english language a little better and you would see that. What was clearly written was that if some of them are in the netherlands then they are breaking the law as you stated pretty much everyone you know keeps guns loaded 24/7/365, therefore, it stands to reason anyone reading that would include people from your own country as I would think that you don't just know americans.

 

Listen very carefully as clearly you have difficulty with this. My first post I stated quite clearly that I have no problem with some weapons spawning with ammo so you didn't call me out on anything of the sort and your little attempt at one upmanship is really not working.

 

Anyway done arguing with you.

Edited September 24, 2014 by Legio23

[stielhandgranate 480]

If I correctly remember my military days the rules were; assault rifle on the rack, no mag on it even empty or expect to be invited by the sergeant for a little run of two hours around the military base stadium with all your pack on your back. Of course, no bullets inside the mag if inside the military complex. A few soldiers experienced the little run in the middle of the night because they forgot the security rules. DayZ seems to repect the military security rules.

 

Except guns in game aren't found secured in a gun rack inside a armory. Or forgetting personnel on duty in a deployed environment must have a firearm on their person with at least one loaded magazine (applies to all NATO and non-NATO allies) unless they are a chaplain, or doctor.

 

"Whoa Private Snuffy, before you are mauled to death by zombies, ensure your weapon is unloaded and has no round in the chamber"