Fix weapon balance by fixing duping issue

[Apom 13]

Nothing makes the game more unbalanced then watching a crew of 5 running around with the same duped m4 or akm. 

[silent (DayZ) 23]

Is it fixed already?

[Zed's Dead 67]

What?

Hackers who can literally disarm you, warp around, and see you from 5 miles away is 100 times more of a priority.

Duping is just an exploit. Exploits are at least fair because every dayz player has the ability to dupe if they want.

If they fix duping and not address hacking, then that would be insane.

[Etherimp 1323]

What?

Hackers who can literally disarm you, warp around, and see you from 5 miles away is 100 times more of a priority.

Duping is just an exploit. Exploits are at least fair because every dayz player has the ability to dupe if they want.

If they fix duping and not address hacking, then that would be insane.

 

 

The difference is that hackers can be banned by BattleEye/VAC, where as exploiters get away without any reprocussions. Duping/Inf mag hacking needs to be addressed, and fast.

 

I've only seen a handful of people using downloaded hacks, but I see people with infinite ammo mags or duped gear almost every time I play lately.

[Zed's Dead 67]

The difference is that hackers can be banned by BattleEye/VAC, where as exploiters get away without any reprocussions. Duping/Inf mag hacking needs to be addressed, and fast.

 

I've only seen a handful of people using downloaded hacks, but I see people with infinite ammo mags or duped gear almost every time I play lately.

What, Again?

 

Hackers can hack for weeks, get banned, and then purchase another account with mommies credit card which DayZ and Steam obviously have no problem with.

 

So I say again, hackers are 100 times more of a problem.    They are by definition, having a huge advantage over everyone else.

 

Duping is an exploit that anyone can do if they want to so we are on the same playing field.

[GunnyITA 107]

both are a problem, and both have the same priority....

[frosti 2165]

Infinite ammunition is DayZ classic.

 

In DayZ mod it took years before fixing exploit that when you re-logged with at least 1 bullet in magazine you magazine was refilled.

 

So it would be cool if they fixed infinite guns/ammo but I doubt it will happen any time soon.

[blfonsworth 32]

If you log off and re log on with ammo in your mag it refills? I guess I'm in the small percentage of people who don't have this happen? It used to happen in the Mod and still does on some servers, but I've never had it happen on the SA.

[Etherimp 1323]

What, Again?

Hackers can hack for weeks, get banned, and then purchase another account with mommies credit card which DayZ and Steam obviously have no problem with.

So I say again, hackers are 100 times more of a problem. They are by definition, having a huge advantage over everyone else.

Duping is an exploit that anyone can do if they want to so we are on the same playing field.

The majority of people "hacking" right now are players using exploits and bugs to gain an advantage. And no we are not on the same playing field. Some of us refuse to glitch thru walls or get infinite ammo. Just because we CAN doesn't mean we should. Whether I am using an inf ammo clip or having one used against me both are ruining my enjoyment of the game as well as affecting others.

To the point of hacking - its an arms race between detection and hackers coding new third party programs which must be purchased. This arms race will continue through alpha, beta, and into gold and beyond. Its a constant battle. Where as exploits/glitches can be remedied by the devs as soon as they figure it out and release a patch. As soon as that patch is released suddenly a bunch of shitheads are useless and forced to play the game legitly.

So while I agree hacking is an issue which needs to be addressed, that will always be the case. Where as fixing a specific glitch or exploit is an much easier problem to solve and must be addressed before you can even start talking about banning hackers or fixing the code which makes it possible for them to hack in the first place. That code is usually engine specific and will be an ongoing process throughout the life of the game.

[sloasdaylight 129]

If you log off and re log on with ammo in your mag it refills? I guess I'm in the small percentage of people who don't have this happen? It used to happen in the Mod and still does on some servers, but I've never had it happen on the SA.

He said the mod, not standalone.

[DeatHTaX 1217]

What, Again?

 

Hackers can hack for weeks, get banned, and then purchase another account with mommies credit card which DayZ and Steam obviously have no problem with.

 

So I say again, hackers are 100 times more of a problem.    They are by definition, having a huge advantage over everyone else.

 

Duping is an exploit that anyone can do if they want to so we are on the same playing field.

 

Well I would argue that the fact than ANYONE in the game can do it, I.E. providing the possibility of 90% of the players running around with duped weapons or gear, is more game breaking than the smaller percentage of hackers, who usually do get banned, and then are stupid enough to buy the game again and line the DayZ purse with gold.

 

Sooooo yeah, I would say that something like weapon and gear duping would be PREEETTY important. Hackers can and will always work your way around anti-hack stuff, and that will come in time. But a fix to item duping is usually PERMENANT and will solve an issue immediately.

[Katana67 2907]

The problems facing weapon balance (which is multifaceted) are legion.

 

But yes, duping is a problem that needs to be addressed and fixed outright. I get that hacking will always be a thing, but duping seems like something that can be fixed wholesale eventually.

 

Plus it'd shut up the people who often say, "You can't add X! It'd just get duped to oblivion and X would be all over the place! Therefore, you cannot add X ever!"

[Bororm 1156]

I want a hive wipe.  It's fucking ridiculous that the source of hacked mags is supposedly fixed and yet I encounter multiple daily, simply because people continue to dupe them from pre-existing ones.

 

Wipe the fucken hive and at least get rid of that particular cheat.  I can hide duped mags all day long (and I do) but it isn't gonna make any difference.

[DeatHTaX 1217]

I want a hive wipe.  It's fucking ridiculous that the source of hacked mags is supposedly fixed and yet I encounter multiple daily, simply because people continue to dupe them from pre-existing ones.

 

Wipe the fucken hive and at least get rid of that particular cheat.  I can hide duped mags all day long (and I do) but it isn't gonna make any difference.

 

Community response:

 

OMG A HIVE WIPE! OMFG NO THAT'S BULLS*$%! I'M NOT LOSING MAI GEER CUZ SOMEBODY HACKS AND STUFF!

 

 

I am all for a hive wipe. A complete and utter hive wipe. Wipe the damn thing clean. At least it will get rid of the people who have hacked/glitched weapons and aren't necessarily hackers themselves. 

[frosti 2165]

Before wipe duplicating should be fixed, there is no point wiping hives when duplication exploit is not fixed.

[Katana67 2907]

I am all for a hive wipe. A complete and utter hive wipe. Wipe the damn thing clean. At least it will get rid of the people who have hacked/glitched weapons and aren't necessarily hackers themselves. 

 

Not sure when I'd like it to happen, but I agree. Doesn't matter to me, gearing is half (or in most cases, all of) the fun in DayZ as of now.

[DeatHTaX 1217]

Not sure when I'd like it to happen, but I agree. Doesn't matter to me, gearing is half (or in most cases, all of) the fun in DayZ as of now.

 

Never a more perfect time than now, especially with persistent loot at the doorstep

 

 

I think this deserves a poll

[Bororm 1156]

Before wipe duplicating should be fixed, there is no point wiping hives when duplication exploit is not fixed.

 

While I don't disagree that it would be nice, I really don't think they'll ever fully fix duping.

 

I think it's worth doing, because as mentioned, they claim they fixed the source of infinite ammo mags.  This would get rid of them for realies if that's the case.

 

There's a ton of extra duped items in circulation as well, and even though without fixing general duping that sorta stuff will pop back up, at least it will be a nice restart.

 

 

Never a more perfect time than now, especially with persistent loot at the doorstep

 

 

I think this deserves a poll

 

This is also a good point, with persistence coming up it would be nice to have everything fresh, even if it's temporary.

[Zed's Dead 67]

The majority of people "hacking" right now are players using exploits and bugs to gain an advantage. And no we are not on the same playing field. Some of us refuse to glitch thru walls or get infinite ammo. Just because we CAN doesn't mean we should. Whether I am using an inf ammo clip or having one used against me both are ruining my enjoyment of the game as well as affecting others.

To the point of hacking - its an arms race between detection and hackers coding new third party programs which must be purchased. This arms race will continue through alpha, beta, and into gold and beyond. Its a constant battle. Where as exploits/glitches can be remedied by the devs as soon as they figure it out and release a patch. As soon as that patch is released suddenly a bunch of shitheads are useless and forced to play the game legitly.

So while I agree hacking is an issue which needs to be addressed, that will always be the case. Where as fixing a specific glitch or exploit is an much easier problem to solve and must be addressed before you can even start talking about banning hackers or fixing the code which makes it possible for them to hack in the first place. That code is usually engine specific and will be an ongoing process throughout the life of the game.

But if Bohemia refuses to stop hackers at least so far, who can do warping, disarming, and seeing you from 5km, how is Bohemia supposed to have time for duping which just gives you more gear? You can fully geared in 1 hour of play. So not really a huge advantage to dupe like having abilities that warp space and time with paid hacks.

I honestly cant see how duping is anywhere near as bad as hackers. I guess you have never had the maddening frustration of being well hidden and seeing a guy somehow see you from very far away, warp to you in 2 seconds, disarm you, and kill you. It fucking blows.

Now if some guy who dupes is in a real firefight with me and has to use the same physics I do, i dont get mad if he is a better shot. We both had to use the rules of physics. Hackers do not.

[Bororm 1156]

But if Bohemia refuses to stop hackers at least so far, who can do warping, disarming, and seeing you from 5km, how is Bohemia supposed to have time for duping which just gives you more gear? You can fully geared in 1 hour of play. So not really a huge advantage to dupe like having abilities that warp space and time with paid hacks.

I honestly cant see how duping is anywhere near as bad as hackers. I guess you have never had the maddening frustration of being well hidden and seeing a guy somehow see you from very far away, warp to you in 2 seconds, disarm you, and kill you. It fucking blows.

Now if some guy who dupes is in a real firefight with me and has to use the same physics I do, i dont get mad if he is a better shot. We both had to use the rules of physics. Hackers do not.

 

Why's it an either/or thing?  Both should be fixed and both suck.  They're also both tied in a lot of cases.  Most hackers also dupe.  A guy teleporting with an infinite ammo mag is worse than one without.

 

I encounter exploiters more often than hackers lately.  It's extremely frustrating dealing with guys in walls, and guys with infinite ammo mags.  I killed a guy with an infinite ammo mag today, with my magnum.  That doesn't mean it doesn't suck any less.  I kill teleporters too.  Saying glitches/exploits aren't a big deal because anyone can do them is beyond stupid in reasoning.  Anyone can also buy hacks.  I'm not going to resort to duping and wall glitching just because other people do, that's a completely idiotic approach to the situation and one that just perpetuates the problem.  Have some integrity.

 

Also, saying Bohemia refuses to do anything is idiotic.  They're doing things, it's actually quite a bit better than it was a couple months ago.

[Etherimp 1323]

But if Bohemia refuses to stop hackers at least so far, who can do warping, disarming, and seeing you from 5km, how is Bohemia supposed to have time for duping which just gives you more gear? You can fully geared in 1 hour of play. So not really a huge advantage to dupe like having abilities that warp space and time with paid hacks.

I honestly cant see how duping is anywhere near as bad as hackers. I guess you have never had the maddening frustration of being well hidden and seeing a guy somehow see you from very far away, warp to you in 2 seconds, disarm you, and kill you. It fucking blows.

Now if some guy who dupes is in a real firefight with me and has to use the same physics I do, i dont get mad if he is a better shot. We both had to use the rules of physics. Hackers do not.

 

 

VAC and BattleEye ARE running and ARE tracking hackers.. There's already stuff being done about hackers, but as I mentioned in a previous post it's an on-going and never-ending battle/arms-race.

 

VAC/BattleEye bans come around -> New "undetectable" hacks are released -> Hackers get new accounts -> VAC/BattleEye bans come around again (rinse/repeat)

Where, as also mentioned above, Bohemia can permanently and instantly fix Infinite Ammo, wall glitching, and duping by simply finding the line(s) of code responsible and fixing them.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Etherimp

[silent (DayZ) 23]

What?

Hackers who can literally disarm you, warp around, and see you from 5 miles away is 100 times more of a priority.

Duping is just an exploit. Exploits are at least fair because every dayz player has the ability to dupe if they want.

If they fix duping and not address hacking, then that would be insane.

 

I can't agree. Duping is a game breaking issue for me. This game is changing to: Death Match Berezino

Fair players are now in deep black *** hole :(

Edited August 2, 2014 by silent

[Khanarac 252]

What?

Hackers who can literally disarm you, warp around, and see you from 5 miles away is 100 times more of a priority.

Duping is just an exploit. Exploits are at least fair because every dayz player has the ability to dupe if they want.

If they fix duping and not address hacking, then that would be insane.

Hackers must download and often purchase an external software. Dupers can just dupe when they feel like it. Also duping should in comparison be much easier to get rid of.

Edited August 2, 2014 by Khanarac

[Highlander007 249]

You get NOTHING, you lose! Good day fair playing sirs!!!

[Grimey Rick 3417]

I want a hive wipe. It's fucking ridiculous that the source of hacked mags is supposedly fixed and yet I encounter multiple daily, simply because people continue to dupe them from pre-existing ones.

Wipe the fucken hive and at least get rid of that particular cheat. I can hide duped mags all day long (and I do) but it isn't gonna make any difference.

It's not fixed. They haven't even begun addressing third party software cheats, and using these cheats enables you to import any item you want.

Two nights ago me and DeathTaX encountered a guy in Berezino with an infinite SKS, and that's not even mentioning the plethora of hacked M4s still being created.