AK-101 Attachments

[Katana67 2907]

Optics

 

1P29 (SUIT copy, could also potentially be applied to the FN FAL if it were implemented)

 

PK01-Vi

 

Kobra EKP

 

Muzzle

 

Some kinda' Muzzle Brake, no idea on the specific make.

 

Suppressor

 

Magazines

 

Quad Stack 60-rounder

 

Molot 45-rounder

Edited July 27, 2014 by Katana67

[pilgrim* 3514]

Dude certainly knows his guns.

Is this going to be everyone's new PvP baby ?

[escobert 112]

Itll just be my baby period :p I love the 5.45 irl so can't wait for it in SA.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I'd really like to see an adapter for the Western optics because it is an export version made for countries that use 5.56x45mm, and I'd also like a gun that can actually effectively use the M4A1 optics. (The MP5K does not line up with any current optics and I only like to use BUIS on the crossbow)

 

They may end up giving the AK101 the "Suppressor 556" that the M4A1 uses since the model was originally intended to be an AK-74M, but who knows?

Sometimes games get general terminology mixed up, and it can be really annoying.

 

Especially so in cases where you have the "Magnum" (a general name) and the "CR75" (a rather specific name). That REALLY bugs me, unless they actually intended for it to be called the "Magnum" as the Thompson G2 Contender is called the "LongHorn"

 

 

 

And the 1P29 would be awesome, because it can work on the AK101, RPK, PKM, SVD, and even the AKM, which wouldn't take much more work than adding the PSO-1 would. It would basically be your Eastern equivalent to the ACOG, but is not as versatile, because the ACOG can be used on any pictanny railed weapon.

Edited July 27, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[Katana67 2907]

I'd really like to see an adapter for the Western optics because it is an export version made for countries that use 5.56x45mm, and I'd also like a gun that can actually effectively use the M4A1 optics. (The MP5K does not line up with any current optics and I only like to use BUIS on the crossbow)

 

They may end up giving the AK101 the "Suppressor 556" that the M4A1 uses since the model was originally intended to be an AK-74M, but who knows?

Sometimes games get general terminology mixed up, and it can be really annoying.

 

Meh, as much as I'd like to see the AK-101 with an ACOG/EOTech/Aimpoint, I'd rather have the rarer NATO weapons be the ones who can mount the generic attachments.

 

I think the more common (by comparison) Warsaw Pact stuff should have more weapon-specific attachments/optics.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Meh, as much as I'd like to see the AK-101 with an ACOG/EOTech/Aimpoint, I'd rather have the rarer NATO weapons be the ones who can mount the generic attachments.

 

I think the more common (by comparison) Warsaw Pact stuff should have more weapon-specific attachments/optics.

Well, yeah, that's a good point.

I just think if any of the Warsaw Pact/Eastern stuff had to have it, this would be the gun, since it was designed to gear towards people who used/preferred NATO standards rather than Eastern ones.

But for gameplay reasons it might be a good idea to leave them separate, who knows. I guess it just depends on how the devs want to put the AK101 versus everything else.

[Airfield 50]

This is my new favorite weapon. I collect firearms, and I keep this baby loaded under my bed.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Why would those optics be exclusive for the AK-101? That side rail is the same dimensions as the AKM and AK-74. Those AK-74 magazines are for a 5.45 round, not a 5.56. I doubt they are comparable.

[Katana67 2907]

Why would those optics be exclusive for the AK-101? That side rail is the same dimensions as the AKM and AK-74. Those AK-74 magazines are for a 5.45 round, not a 5.56. I doubt they are comparable.

 

For gameplay reasons, and not to mention the magnified optics are not zeroed for 7.62x39 in real life... so they're not as interchangeable as one might think. Plus, there's a difference between the SVD mount and an AK mount (although there are universal mounts). So it's arguable as to whether the current optics "should" be able to mount on both the AKM and SVD in the first place, as the inspection description indicates.

 

They are comparable, because the AK-101 is an appropriation of the AK-74M. It's a compromise, and (just as Chris Torchia had stated) most folks don't appear to be picking up on the very, very, subtle differences between it and the AK-101 (pretty much a slightly lessened curve in 5.56 AK mags, and that's it).

 

The AK-101 in-game is therefore an amalgam of the physical aesthetic of an AK-74M and the internal chambering of an AK-101. So I don't mind having magazines which are 5.45x39 being able to be used in our amalgamated AK-101 in DayZ.

 

I'm also not trying to simulate the real world in suggesting these, so, yeah. There's that.

[stielhandgranate 480]

For gameplay reasons, and not to mention the magnified optics are not zeroed for 7.62x39 in real life... so they're not as interchangeable as one might think. Plus, there's a difference between the SVD mount and an AK mount (although there are universal mounts). So it's arguable as to whether the current optics "should" be able to mount on both the AKM and SVD in the first place, as the inspection description indicates.

 

They are comparable, because the AK-101 is an appropriation of the AK-74M. It's a compromise, and (just as Chris Torchia had stated) most folks don't appear to be picking up on the very, very, subtle differences between it and the AK-101 (pretty much a slightly lessened curve in 5.56 AK mags, and that's it).

 

The AK-101 in-game is therefore an amalgam of the physical aesthetic of an AK-74M and the internal chambering of an AK-101. So I don't mind having magazines which are 5.45x39 being able to be used in our amalgamated AK-101 in DayZ.

 

I'm also not trying to simulate the real world in suggesting these, so, yeah. There's that.

 

You aren't "trying to simulate the real world in suggesting these" but don't want the PSO-1 scope comparable with the AK-101 even though it will fit because it isn't 7.62x54R? From what little familiarization I had with the PSO-1 is that it isn't rated for a specific caliber like the ACOG or ELCAN and there are images of AK riflemen using the PSO scope as issued equipment.

 

Also just because the Devs have a jihad against adding the AK-74 and it's caliber, doesn't mean that the AK-101 is now the AK-74 and the community should settle. It shouldn't use AK-74 accessories and the community should hold out and see if the Dev team will renege this decision as 5x45 can be used in other weapons besides the AK-74, such as the AKS-74u,AEK-74,and the RPK-74.

[Katana67 2907]

You aren't "trying to simulate the real world in suggesting these" but don't want the PSO-1 scope comparable with the AK-101 even though it will fit because it isn't 7.62x54R? From what little familiarization I had with the PSO-1 is that it isn't rated for a specific caliber like the ACOG or ELCAN and there are images of AK riflemen using the PSO scope as issued equipment.

 

Also just because the Devs have a jihad against adding the AK-74 and it's caliber, doesn't mean that the AK-101 is now the AK-74 and the community should settle. It shouldn't use AK-74 accessories and the community should hold out and see if the Dev team will renege this decision as 5x45 can be used in other weapons besides the AK-74, such as the AKS-74u,AEK-74,and the RPK-74.

 

No, I was just listing that as another "unrealistic" discrepancy that's already in-game with no ill-effects. I don't care that the PSO-1 can be used on the AKM and SVD at the same time without using different (or universal) mounts. 

 

Please don't invoke "jihad" in jest or in vitriol against the developers. Just a personal thing for me.

 

Also, I won't pretend to speak for a "community" which all believes the same thing or a "majority". So, I can't really speak to what your concept of a "community" should do. I can, however, speak to what I would do.

 

At the risk of rehashing the old argument - nearly every 5.45x39 AK variant (including the ones you listed) has a 7.62x39 counterpart. They don't need to add 5.45x39 if they want those weapons, so it's not like they're missing out on weapons by proxy.

 

The only reason I want 5.45x39 is because it's another data point with which they can tweak the weapon-ammunition-utilization concept and make weapons rare/common. It certainly isn't needed. They already have 5.56x45 and 7.62x39. All adding 5.45x39 would do, is add one more layer of complexity in terms of loot balance. That's the only reason why I support its addition, but certainly don't view it as a necessity.

 

But this is all very much off-topic. I am not concerned with pure realism, hence why I am approximating the AK-74M and AK-101 (as has been done in-game) in suggesting attachments/magazines which are themselves to be amalgamated.

[stielhandgranate 480]

Please don't invoke "jihad" in jest or in vitriol against the developers. Just a personal thing for me.

 

You do realise the direct translation for "Jihad" is a struggle and is fitting considering their hostility on the subject to on the dayz reddit sub-forum?

[Katana67 2907]

You do realise the direct translation for "Jihad" is a struggle and is fitting considering their hostility on the subject to on the dayz reddit sub-forum?

 

Well it's translated as "striving," and has many meanings in various contexts.

 

Using it as a canned term is disingenuous. I have written extensively on the subject. If you mean struggle, then say that. Don't lump nearly 1500 years of religion, bloodshed, and militancy into a cheap shot at game developers who aren't doing what you want.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Katana67

[stielhandgranate 480]

Well it's translated as "striving," and has many meanings in various contexts.

 

Using it as a canned term is disingenuous. I have written extensively on the subject. If you mean struggle, then say that. Don't lump nearly a thousand years of religion, bloodshed, and militancy into a cheap shot at game developers who aren't doing what you want.

 

The word "Jihad" has been in common use in the English language since before 9/11 and the act of borrowing words and phrases from other languages is common practice. I will continue to use it. Pretending to take the high road doesn't make your position anymore valid. I'm not the only one who disagrees with dev moves, if you would like to re-open the subject in another thread you're more than welcome to.

[Katana67 2907]

The word "Jihad" has been in common use in the English language since before 9/11 and the act of borrowing words and phrases from other languages is common practice. I will continue to use it.

 

That's on you. I'll continue to illustrate why your use of the word is misapplied, vitriolic, and insulting. That's on me.

[stielhandgranate 480]

 your use of the word is misapplied, vitriolic, and insulting. That's on me.

 

I'll do you a special favor and ask some of the Afgan interpreters,contractors and merchants here how they feel about use of the word "jihad" by an American to describe struggle. I'll even get a diverse opinion on the subject and see if I can ask the Turkish contractors that work here too. I'll give you a reply in 12 hours. I'll even show them my usage of the word with my laptop.

[Katana67 2907]

I'll do you a special favor and ask some of the Afgan interpreters,contractors and merchants here how they feel about use of the word "jihad" by an American to describe struggle. I'll even get a diverse opinion on the subject and see if I can ask the Turkish contractors that work here too. I'll give you a reply in 12 hours. I'll even show them my usage of the word with my laptop.

 

Cool? I'll still be here... telling you that it's offensive and misapplied. 

[stielhandgranate 480]

Cool? I'll still be here... telling you that it's offensive and misapplied. 

 

Are you of Middle Eastern or South West Asian Decent? If you aren't I think it's rather rude to speak on their behalf. Although the word "Jihad" has origins in Islam it is a noun in Arabic and is not in exclusive use with Muslims.

[Katana67 2907]

Are you of Middle Eastern or South West Asian Decent? If you aren't I think it's rather rude to speak on their behalf. Although the word "Jihad" has origins in Islam it is a noun in Arabic and is not in exclusive use with Muslims.

 

I'm not speaking on anyone's behalf, other than my own.

 

EDIT - Mods, thread thoroughly derailed, lock please.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Katana67