Claymores/IED's/Mines

[mizzle420420 5]

I would love to see some Remote Detonated Charges and Trip-Wire Claymores

[gibonez 3633]

Awful idea. Let's give an already douchebag heavy community a douchebag weapon.

The only other thing my post needs a 4.4gb image of a face palm.

Carebear huh.

[a_ruttle 199]

Small IEDs like a grenade and string or a fertiliser bomb [small one] would be pretty cool as would old soviet landmines like the POMZ etc. But they'd have to be rare almost to the point of being novelty items or they'd quickly make all high end loot spots on the map not worth going near.

[AlphaDogMeat . 493]

All the ingredients are in game (.50) for IEDs, so let's have some crafting recipes.  Oh, and let's not forget the 85% chance of blowing yourself into a cloud of red mist and giblets - because realism, right?

[nokyookami 63]

i thought we were Civilians trying to Survive these Seem More Military/Guerrilla Combat Driven PVP Weapons for the BloodThirsty Killers

I dont realy see the Need for Mines/Claymores/IED's

Grenades Are already Pushing the "why would you need this for Survival" Factor since you only Need them For Killing Someone who is Hiding from you
Improvised Grenades would be Nice But not a Fan of Trip Mines
the Idea of eventually every City and Spawnpoint in the Map Being Covered in Trip Mines and Explosives

Spawn and any Step Equaling a Gas Station Sized Explosion Chain Reaction Across the Whole Landscape Just so Some Troll Can Laugh in the Woods isnt my Idea of Fun Nor is it Realistic
 

Edited October 22, 2014 by NokyoOkami

[Chaingunfighter 917]

i thought we were Civilians trying to Survive these Seem More Military/Guerrilla Combat Driven PVP Weapons for the BloodThirsty Killers

I dont realy see the Need for Mines/Claymores/IED's

Grenades Are already Pushing the "why would you need this for Survival" Factor since you only Need them For Killing Someone who is Hiding from you

Improvised Grenades would be Nice But not a Fan of Trip Mines

the Idea of eventually every City and Spawnpoint in the Map Being Covered in Trip Mines and Explosives

Spawn and any Step Equaling a Gas Station Sized Explosion Chain Reaction Across the Whole Landscape Just so Some Troll Can Laugh in the Woods isnt my Idea of Fun Nor is it Realistic

 

Why do you feel the need to capitalize almost every word in your sentences? Seriously, you only need to do it to the first letter and any proper nouns, "It Doesnt have to Be Like this All The TIme".

 

Part of survival is inevitably going to involve killing others - including the placing of traps and other defenses, and taking out vehicles/infrastructure. We're not civilians, nor soldiers - we're just survivors, probably of various backgrounds (the avatar is intended to represent you) making do in the world. Some people survive by looting and scavenging, others live off the land, and still more take what they can from others.

It's absolutely realistic to be finding explosives, grenades are standard issue gear in practically every military on the planet. Mines, claymores, and other explosives are also fairly common. Sure, I don't "need" grenades to survive, but with that logic we don't need AKs, or M4s, or anything but hunting rifles and shotguns (Why don't we just remove every gun but the Sporter-22, IZH-43, and CR-527?)

 

How improvised grenades are any better/more realistic than military issue grenades is beyond me - it seems you just dislike the stigma of something being involved with military usage, not actually how realistic nor beneficial to gameplay it'd be.

 

It's honestly doubtful that you'd have explosives and mines everywhere, even grenades as they are spawn incredibly rarely, and they don't see a ton of usage. But yes, it's understandable that people would place mines, IEDs, and other weapons at hot spots, like gas stations, highways, or major cities - just as is done in real life. You should need to be careful when driving in a high-traffic area, because it'd be quite dumb if all you had to worry about was some guy spraying an AK at you from a rooftop, rather than something that poses a real threat to your success.

[nokyookami 63]

Part of survival is inevitably going to involve killing others - including the placing of traps and other defenses, and taking out vehicles/infrastructure. We're not civilians, nor soldiers - we're just survivors, probably of various backgrounds (the avatar is intended to represent you) making do in the world. Some people survive by looting and scavenging, others live off the land, and still more take what they can from others.

 

 After a Landmine is done with your Body there will be nothing Left to take (all of the Suplies in the room will be  Ruined)

 

It's absolutely realistic to be finding explosives, grenades are standard issue gear in practically every military on the planet. Mines, claymores, and other explosives are also fairly common. Sure, I don't "need" grenades to survive, but with that logic we don't need AKs, or M4s, or anything but hunting rifles and shotguns (Why don't we just remove every gun but the Sporter-22, IZH-43, and CR-527?)

am not anti-military at all with the Military Presence in the area Quite Frankly i Think AKM, M4, And grenades Would be more Common Place than a Double Barreled Shotgun or Mosin Nagant

What I Was stating as Unrealistic is the Fact Trip Mines Could/Would Be Placed on Spawn Points Meaning that Unrealistically  Rendering Us Killed Before we Come into Being to even Play 

(It Would Be Like COD When everyone is Just Spawn Camping with their Claymores)

Or that Server Hoppers will Go Gather all the Explosives of X-ammount of Servers to Make Berezino or electro Trip Mined with More  Mines than all of Chernarus Should Have Gun Powder, thats all

I am all For Adding features to the Game i Just Feel Why do We need Claymores/Trip Mines? they Dont add that Much To the Game for what they can potentialy Ruin

I Just Feel that People Exploit The System enough and do duplicating to troll Currently and thats when they Have to be able to see you to ruin your game

 

 

How improvised grenades are any better/more realistic than military issue grenades is beyond me - it seems you just dislike the stigma of something being involved with military usage, not actually how realistic nor beneficial to gameplay it'd be.

 

I didnt Ever Say that Improvised Grenades were More realistic or Better than Military (Please re-Read my Post if Confused)

I said "Improvised Grenades would be Nice But not a Fan of Trip Mines" Meaning  i Can See Crafting Improv. Grenades in Game as Being Beneficial For an Alternative to finding Military ones not that they would be a Better Grenade

Anyway i was Just stating in my Opinion that if they aren't Going to Let us Repair Such things as Military Vehicles Like APC's or Tanks Because they Wanted this to be a Survival Game not a War Simulator (Something i Would Have Spent a Great Deal of Time Doing is Repairing a Armored Vehicle)  then Landmines/Claymores Are Also an over Powered Item  i Don't see Necessary Either

if added though i think Some should Spawn Armed in Area's Since the Army Likely Had Mine Fields already Laid B)

 I think Realy that  they Should Impliment every thing that Should be in this area Like Armored Vehicles,Helicopters, Mines, RPGs

I Just think to exclude Most these items for the reason "they are to Military"

While implementing the Claymores and Landmines Which in all Military Games Are Likely the Largest Nuisance Items is Stupid

I am one of the Biggest Advocates of More Customization/More items ^_^

But From Past experience on these Forums Been Told No on Alot of Suggestions Based on that they Would Break the Survivor Feel <_<

Because "they are to Military" "Colored Spray paint Wouldn't exist in the apocolypse"  or the "Why would Chernarus Have Womens Clothing their impractical for survival"

xD Anyways I think Bases Should Have traps But i think they Need to Find a Way to Keep Players From Planting them Were all the New Spawns Start if they Do :huh:  or the Game will Get much Worse :(

Keep in Mind Like you Said Military issued Mines would be rare Spawned Loot

But if you Can Make your own IED's as the Original Post Suggest  then The Amount of improv. Mines will Be alot

Edited October 23, 2014 by NokyoOkami

[Chaingunfighter 917]

 After a Landmine is done with your Body there will be nothing Left to take (all of the Suplies in the room will be  Ruined)

 

am not anti-military at all with the Military Presence in the area Quite Frankly i Think AKM, M4, And grenades Would be more Common Place than a Double Barreled Shotgun or Mosin Nagant

 

That's an understandable point of view - I was somewhat confused, and this is a fairly general mentality people take on, so it was wrong for me to assume you followed the same ideas.

 

What I Was stating as Unrealistic is the Fact Trip Mines Could/Would Be Placed on Spawn Points Meaning that Unrealistically  Rendering Us Killed Before we Come into Being to even Play 

(It Would Be Like COD When everyone is Just Spawn Camping with their Claymores)

Or that Server Hoppers will Go Gather all the Explosives of X-ammount of Servers to Make Berezino or electro Trip Mined with More  Mines than all of Chernarus Should Have Gun Powder, thats all

I am all For Adding features to the Game i Just Feel Why do We need Claymores/Trip Mines? they Dont add that Much To the Game for what they can potentialy Ruin

I Just Feel that People Exploit The System enough and do duplicating to troll Currently and thats when they Have to be able to see you to ruin your game

Your idea could honestly be remedied by simply vastly increasing the number of spawns. I'm not saying make it completely randomized, but just add more specific positions along the coast, to the point that it becomes heavily impractical to plant explosives and wait for someone to spawn. People camp with guns most of the time, because ammunition is readily available and they aren't relying on the fact that someone takes one specific spawn point, just that they happen to enter that location

Server hopping is an issue in of itself. Personally I'd rather just have every server run on it's own hive, but that would take away from one of the features heavily pushed; the fact that your character is universal.

I don't actually want any trip mines. Unlike CoD would have us believe - claymores are remotely detonated, not triggered. What makes them unique is the fact that they direct most of the energy forward, not in all directions like with a standard mine/IED/grenade. That's why I want them, because they're a unique way of placing traps that simply cannot be done with improvised explosives or regular mines. You still have to keep watch, otherwise someone may just sneak right past them.

 

It seems to me like your problem is just with the fact that people can get them readily available and server hop for them, and camp spawn points, issues that are already a problem without them in game, not so much the item itself. I agree - I do think we need these issues remedied before we start adding powerful items that can truly make a difference on their own. If set up right, claymores would be rare to the point that you'd only ever want them for emergency situations, not for spawn camping (please, you've got much more to worry about).

[nokyookami 63]

It seems to me like your problem is just with the fact that people can get them readily available and server hop for them, and camp spawn points, issues that are already a problem without them in game, not so much the item itself. I agree - I do think we need these issues remedied before we start adding powerful items that can truly make a difference on their own. If set up right, claymores would be rare to the point that you'd only ever want them for emergency situations, not for spawn camping (please, you've got much more to worry about).

Yeah true it is a Problem in Game Current, My Fear is adding it Easier and Less Boring And doesnt take Skill

And I Just Feel Like Adding Tools For Grieving Wont Add to the Experience 

You Can Dodge Gunshots and there is Human Error/Skill involved

Mines I Can See as Removing the Boredom/Need for Skill and Patients since you Could Camp Spawn Points without Having to Sit there <_<

They Just seem to Fuel it being a PVP mosh-pit Game since in a Real Apocalypse i Doubt Many People would be so Cold and Bloodthirsty to Just want to Kill Without reason or conscience

People in Game Feel Nothing For taking a Life

Since in Game Most People Who kill/Camp Spawns/Towns Aren't after your Gear as they are the best Geared Players Usualy Hunting Bambies with Flashlights for Sport

Some reason it is all about the Kills To Most People even in a Survivor-Sim with no Kill Counter

I Guess thats Partly to Blame that DayZ's Roots Are in a ShooterGame

 

Edited October 23, 2014 by NokyoOkami

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Yeah true it is a Problem in Game Current, My Fear is adding it Easier and Less Boring And doesnt take Skill

And I Just Feel Like Adding Tools For Grieving Wont Add to the Experience 

You Can Dodge Gunshots and there is Human Error/Skill involved

Mines I Can See as Removing the Boredom/Need for Skill and Patients since you Could Camp Spawn Points without Having to Sit there <_<

They Just seem to Fuel it being a PVP mosh-pit Game since in a Real Apocalypse i Doubt Many People would be so Cold and Bloodthirsty to Just want to Kill Without reason or conscience

People in Game Feel Nothing For taking a Life

Since in Game Most People Who kill/Camp Spawns/Towns Aren't after your Gear as they are the best Geared Players Usualy Hunting Bambies with Flashlights for Sport

Some reason it is all about the Kills To Most People even in a Survivor-Sim with no Kill Counter

I Guess thats Partly to Blame that DayZ's Roots Are in a ShooterGame

 

 

Like I said though, you can just remedy these by increasing the number of spawn points, and making mines/explosives extremely rare (they should be anyway.) With a large number of available spawn locations, it'd become an immense task to predict where people are and blow them up instantly. Add that to the fact that explosives are already hard to find, people wouldn't even bother using them for that purpose.

It'd lose sentiment very quickly, and in the end it wouldn't do a whole lot. I mean, dying instantly would be frustrating, but it'd almost never happen, and it's not like you really lose anything save for 30 seconds of your time.

 

Oh, and like I said, claymores are not triggered weapons, they're detonated. You'd still have to be present in order to actually kill someone, not to mention you're forced to wait in one spot, whereas with a rifle you can just travel up and down the coast as you please. Even with mines that people step on (as you've said yourself), people would only be killing fresh spawns with them to troll. It wouldn't be very funny if you just planted them along the coast and left, because you'd never actually witness it happening.

 

My point is that there's next to no incentive for people to use them for this. Anyone who's hunting fresh spawns is going to be at an extreme disadvantage if they use fixed and valuable weapons.

[nokyookami 63]

Like I said though, you can just remedy these by increasing the number of spawn points, and making mines/explosives extremely rare (they should be anyway.) With a large number of available spawn locations, it'd become an immense task to predict where people are and blow them up instantly. Add that to the fact that explosives are already hard to find, people wouldn't even bother using them for that purpose.

It'd lose sentiment very quickly, and in the end it wouldn't do a whole lot. I mean, dying instantly would be frustrating, but it'd almost never happen, and it's not like you really lose anything save for 30 seconds of your time.

 

Oh, and like I said, claymores are not triggered weapons, they're detonated. You'd still have to be present in order to actually kill someone, not to mention you're forced to wait in one spot, whereas with a rifle you can just travel up and down the coast as you please. Even with mines that people step on (as you've said yourself), people would only be killing fresh spawns with them to troll. It wouldn't be very funny if you just planted them along the coast and left, because you'd never actually witness it happening.

 

My point is that there's next to no incentive for people to use them for this. Anyone who's hunting fresh spawns is going to be at an extreme disadvantage if they use fixed and valuable weapons.

Per your previous Posts I understand about Claymores, ^_^  I Was Talking about IED's and Trip Mines More at this point and Yeah I Know you Dont Lose anything if Someone Kills you right off the Bat Save for 69 Seconds Respawn Timer

But Still they Could Make Spawning Near Towns/Area's of Good Spawn Not Possible with Mines

Regardless I Guess there has to be some way to Remedy it

and if People want Mines as a Majority i WIll Still Play the Game but my Vote remains a -1 on tripmines/plantable explosives unless they add other Military Loot in as well to Help Even it rather than Catering one play Style while denying another

Campers/Snipers/Spawn Killers are Placated to in whats added a Little To Much While ignoring Other possible Aspects

if all we Get are Sniper Rifles and Tripmines to Watch their Backs its Like the Most annoying Parts of BF or COD 

As Someone Who Hates Playing Sniper and Being Sniped it is Just Less and less Fun And Harder and Harder to Survive the More they Cater to that Crowd only <_<

already took Me over a Month of Legitimately Playing Before i Found an AKM anymore with all the rarity and Server Hoppers Getting Prime pick

Yet Snipers are Getting it easier and Easier with LRS and Mosins practically Spawning in every other Garage now

in the Apocolypse with no Weapons Laws and abandon Military Vehicles/Weapons literally everywhere you cant tell me Survivors would Pass on AR's and repairing Armored Vehicles Purely Because it is "to military" expecialy with Hordes of Zombies that are Faster than you and Can Ruin Kevlar in a Single Smack <_<

Anyway I am Still all For adding things :thumbsup: But Don't placate to only the Crown of KOS Sniper Favored Greifing Tools

Add things that Cater to other crowds who dont do that Play style

what i want is to Simulate the Zombie Apocalypse with every tool at our disposal, Have the Weapons and Gear to play your own way ^_^ Not Be Grieved by the Anti-humanity KOS'ers (or if it is even called KOS if its a Landmine) <_< because i am not a Sniper or KoS'er and they dont want to add For anything else

 

Edited October 24, 2014 by NokyoOkami

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Per your previous Posts I understand about Claymores, ^_^  I Was Talking about IED's and Trip Mines More at this point and Yeah I Know you Dont Lose anything if Someone Kills you right off the Bat Save for 69 Seconds Respawn Timer

But Still they Could Make Spawning Near Towns/Area's of Good Spawn Not Possible with Mines

Regardless I Guess there has to be some way to Remedy it

and if People want Mines as a Majority i WIll Still Play the Game but my Vote remains a -1 on tripmines/plantable explosives unless they add other Military Loot in as well to Help Even it rather than Catering one play Style while denying another

Campers/Snipers/Spawn Killers are Placated to in whats added a Little To Much While ignoring Other possible Aspects

if all we Get are Sniper Rifles and Tripmines to Watch their Backs its Like the Most annoying Parts of BF or COD 

As Someone Who Hates Playing Sniper and Being Sniped it is Just Less and less Fun And Harder and Harder to Survive the More they Cater to that Crowd only <_<

already took Me over a Month of Legitimately Playing Before i Found an AKM anymore with all the rarity and Server Hoppers Getting Prime pick

Yet Snipers are Getting it easier and Easier with LRS and Mosins practically Spawning in every other Garage now

in the Apocolypse with no Weapons Laws and abandon Military Vehicles/Weapons literally everywhere you cant tell me Survivors would Pass on AR's and repairing Armored Vehicles Purely Because it is "to military" expecialy with Hordes of Zombies that are Faster than you and Can Ruin Kevlar in a Single Smack <_<

Anyway I am Still all For adding things :thumbsup: But Don't placate to only the Crown of KOS Sniper Favored Greifing Tools

Add things that Cater to other crowds who dont do that Play style

what i want is to Simulate the Zombie Apocalypse with every tool at our disposal, Have the Weapons and Gear to play your own way ^_^ Not Be Grieved by the Anti-humanity KOS'ers (or if it is even called KOS if its a Landmine) <_< because i am not a Sniper or KoS'er and they dont want to add For anything else

 

That's why they need a good set of all around gear. Don't neglect any field, that includes gear that is directly meant for combating other players and that alone.

 

I never said that we should only get mines, I'm just saying that there's nothing wrong with including them alongside a vast amount of other gear.

 

And I think we'll just have to agree to disagree about IEDs and whatnot being only "griefing" weapons.

[nokyookami 63]

That's why they need a good set of all around gear. Don't neglect any field, that includes gear that is directly meant for combating other players and that alone.

 

I never said that we should only get mines, I'm just saying that there's nothing wrong with including them alongside a vast amount of other gear.

 

And I think we'll just have to agree to disagree about IEDs and whatnot being only "griefing" weapons.

I Agree 

 

And yeah they aren't only I Just think they Are Prone to that Use

You Could improvise an Explosive for

 

as a TripMine

Griefing Players

Base Defense

Watching a Snipers Back Because He doesnt want to Care about giving away his position (probably the Second Most common Use behind Griefing)

 

as a triggered Explosive

Griefing Players

Base Defense

*Clear Debree (Could see Being Both used and practical But unlikely to be implemented) would Love this ^_^

*Creating Debree to Block Vehicle Routes For Banditry (Could see Being Both used and practical But unlikely to be implemented) would Love this ^_^

 

as a Grenade

Griefing Players

Safely Clearing a Hostile Zone/Building

Base/Personal Defense

 

Edited October 24, 2014 by NokyoOkami

[Chaingunfighter 917]

I Agree 

 

And yeah they aren't only I Just think they Are Prone to that Use

You Could improvise an Explosive for

 

as a TripMine

Griefing Players

Base Defense

Watching a Snipers Back Because He doesnt want to Care about giving away his position (probably the Second Most common Use behind Griefing)

 

as a triggered Explosive

Griefing Players

Base Defense

*Clear Debree (Could see Being Both used and practical But unlikely to be implemented) would Love this ^_^

*Creating Debree to Block Vehicle Routes For Banditry (Could see Being Both used and practical But unlikely to be implemented) would Love this ^_^

 

as a Grenade

Griefing Players

Safely Clearing a Hostile Zone/Building

Base/Personal Defense

 

 

Maybe, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see (assuming they're added.)

 

Though to be fair I haven't really seen any "griefing" with grenades thus far, and because they're thrown weapons, you can't really "grief" any differently than with a gun. That argument only really stands with planted explosives, but again, you can just "grief" using already existing items, no need to waste good explosives.

 

Laser/wire tripmines in a sense I don't see a reason to be added. By mines I meant ones you actually need to step on to set them off, not laser tripmines.

[nokyookami 63]

Maybe, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see (assuming they're added.)

 

Though to be fair I haven't really seen any "griefing" with grenades thus far, and because they're thrown weapons, you can't really "grief" any differently than with a gun. That argument only really stands with planted explosives, but again, you can just "grief" using already existing items, no need to waste good explosives.

 

Laser/wire tripmines in a sense I don't see a reason to be added. By mines I meant ones you actually need to step on to set them off, not laser tripmines.

Agreed the Trip mines are what I was saying i dont see a Need for as well

and True not Much Grenade Use for anything Lately

Back a Bit ago Once in Svet saw Someone was Just Lobbing in Grenades from what i assume was off the Rocks into the City

Could see it From Across the Way I wasn't a Victim But the City was Being so Badly Bombed That you Couldn't Enter Since our Arms Currently Have amazing throw Range

Seen Some YouTubers With Full Ammo Cans of Grenades Just Lobbing them at Gas Stations and onto roads as People are Coming to them

Since the Mass Hive Reset though I Havent Seen Grenades Used much at all

Maybe since it Fixed Duplication and they are hard to find ?

And Since .49 they are Getting Realy Buggy to throw anyway xD I was Scared when i Use mine Cause you will throw them after Pulling the Pin then it re appears in your hand then disappears and Apears at your Feet, all manner of crazy xD 

Edited October 24, 2014 by NokyoOkami

[Duenan 226]

Easiest way to mitigate griefing is to make use of books in the game and give a dice roll to making an ied

 

if you read book X you have a higher succesful chance to not blow yourself up when crafting. This can also add to the rp idea in that you can defacto create a class of demo experts.

 

Besides when vehicles are into the standalone. I want to be able to blow up the happy couple joyriding through the countrside like a bunch of idiots.

 

It will equalize the playing field in that respect and create more tension and drama since every place could, and should be booby trapped. Also it would allow for basebuilding because you and your mates could claim an apt complex- and surround it with traps and ieds and  put a sniper on top

[therandomredstone 432]

An IED (improvised explosive device) use such items such as walkie-talkies that are already implemented in the game to trigger the device and craft the device using chemicals or extra ammunition rounds.  Just an idea to start.

 

A claymore (activated by remote-control exploding with a pattern of metal balls like a shotgun) So i imagine implent a claymore and players would have to able to load it with extra shotgun shells and find guage wire to trigger it.

 

I didn't see this at all on the "List of already existing suggestions" so this something I'd like to see added to game make it a bit more interesting. Again just some ideas thanks for reading.

If we add in "too many explosives" this game will just turn into the arma 2 mod, which is like "soldiers vs. zombies" we don't want that, so instead, all of these bombs would ALL be handcrafted, and at the same time; pre-made ones would be EXXTREMLEYY RARE

[Jhunt7507 29]

No claymores but I'm all for IED's.

A pipebomb should be fairly easy to make. Just put gunpowder from shotgun shells or bullets into it and then drill a hole in a cap and put a fuse in it. Then duct tape nails around it to create extra shrapnel. Electronic detonators can be used but idk how you would have to raid military bases for the detonators. I can see people putting these under other people's cars to piss them off.