New civilian weapons

[Average33sociopath 0]

Armalite AR-180 - Semi auto ( 5.56 NATO or 223 Remington )  Manufactured in United States. It was produced by the company Armalite during the early 1960s along the same company that made the early M-16 rifles. It was designed to be a cheaper and more reliable alternative to the M-16 assault rifles but the US Army had no interest in purchasing another 5.56 rifle, so then it was marketed to civilians. This is a semi automatic version of said rifle and will be fitting to dayz, the reason we need more civilian weapons. This is not a assault rifle this is a semi automatic version of the rifle. This gun will be a fun gun to use to be more careful with your shots as this is not a full auto gun as you need to click your mouse for each shot. Being a 5.56 weapon it will have a effective range of 600m. 

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MAC-10 Semi auto version ( .45 ACP ) Made in US as a machine pistol but in dayz i think a semi auto pistol with 30 round .45 acp mag would be a clever touch. Now before you say ( a mac 10 is a full auto gun you can't have it in the civilian world) yes you can own a mac-10 but in a semi auto configuration to be legal for a civilian to own, this gun will be a good back up weapon or as a pistol when in search for a rifle. Firing a .45 acp it's powerful and accurate up to 50m after that it's rather inaccurate engage a target. With a mac-10 in dayz you'll get a compact pistol with a strong punch and firepower.

http://img1.wikia.no.../d/db/MAC10.jpg

 

Hellfire device- Made in the US

This device alters the trigger and makes a semi automatic weapon fire as fast as a full auto, in dayz it should be a new item for weapons. 

as this can convert the two semi auto weapons mention above to full autos. As this is legal to own with civilians and legal configuration but this item should be hard to find in dayz and rare item. Tell me what do you think of these ideas?

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[stielhandgranate 480]

Some of your details are flawed. Hellfire devices are crap. It isn't a drop in auto sear. Using one is very difficult to aim or apply fundamentals. On MAC-10s, there are some cases of full auto variants being made illegally. In some countries in Europe such as Czech Republic, they can be owned legally. In the US, Pre 1986 models can be found for about 3000~5000 USD.

 

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/jeweller-angelos-koots-admits-to-making-submachine-guns-at-his-seven-hills-home-and-supplying-them-to-bikie-groups/story-fni0cx12-1226760983916?nk=51cf9601432ba02ebd7dc7268357a91c

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/MAC-10/Browse.aspx?Keywords=MAC+10

[Lithium1056 45]

Well lets start here first. There is NO semi-Automatic version of the M-10(actual name of the MAC-10) secondly it's far less used than any other .45apc SMG. Secondly there are far more superior AR platforms that we should consider before the knock off M-16. There are plenty of firearms that we can add with out it being out of place in the region.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

The MAC-11 was the variant that had semi-auto versions, but I don't see any reason to have a semi-auto one ingame. On the other hand, a select-fire MAC-10 would be a great .45 ACP submachine-gun to have (basically the game's .45 counterpart of a .380 Vz.61 Skorpion).

 

The AR-18 is wholly unnecessary because you don't see a lot of them anywhere, even in the US. A better semi-automatic .223 carbine would be the Ruger Mini-14. Not saying I don't like it, I'm okay with any weapons the devs add, this included.

 

And I'd say no thanks to the hellfire trigger groups. They aren't compatible with every weapon and aren't known for working very well. They're generally intended for AR-15s, which wouldn't be as prevalent in Chernarus as in the United States. I mean, a semi-automatic AR-15 would be fine to have in DayZ, but you're more likely to find an actual M4A1 than you are one of those, and for gameplay reasons, it should stay that way.

Edited July 16, 2014 by Chaingunfighter

[Average33sociopath 0]

Ill keep in mind the full auto mac-10.

[applejaxc 2500]

Other than "Crime guns" (like the cheap-ass Brellco or Brellyco or whatever the company is in California), it doesn't make sense for American-civilian weapons to litter the Chernorussian landscape. I wish members of the forums would differentiate civilian and would-be-military-grade-to-chernorussia...

 

As someone above said, there's plenty of lore-friendly civilian firearms to add to the game before knock-off AR15s. As much as I want a Genghis, Beowulf, or some kind of wildcat AR15 to mow down zombies with, it makes a hell of a lot more sense for AK47s, 74s, et cetera to be the focus of the game.

[Lithium1056 45]

Other than "Crime guns" (like the cheap-ass Brellco or Brellyco or whatever the company is in California), it doesn't make sense for American-civilian weapons to litter the Chernorussian landscape. I wish members of the forums would differentiate civilian and would-be-military-grade-to-chernorussia...

As someone above said, there's plenty of lore-friendly civilian firearms to add to the game before knock-off AR15s. As much as I want a Genghis, Beowulf, or some kind of wildcat AR15 to mow down zombies with, it makes a hell of a lot more sense for AK47s, 74s, et cetera to be the focus of the game.

Not for abunch of "western made" gun but it woul make since for "westernized" guns to litter the landscape. For example the Tec-9/KG9 is a popular semiautomatic machine pistol easily modified to full auto that's been westernized by gangster rap and shows like sons of anarchy while being originated in Sweden I believe. Really any weapon that sees blackmarket sales (which is what I assume you mean by "crime") as a large amount of gun traffic flows through the Asia's from Europe.

[applejaxc 2500]

Not for abunch of "western made" gun but it woul make since for "westernized" guns to litter the landscape. For example the Tec-9/KG9 is a popular semiautomatic machine pistol easily modified to full auto that's been westernized by gangster rap and shows like sons of anarchy while being originated in Sweden I believe. Really any weapon that sees blackmarket sales (which is what I assume you mean by "crime") as a large amount of gun traffic flows through the Asia's from Europe.

 

"Crime guns" are weapons that are cheap and easy to obtain (made en masse instead of being made of quality) that couldn't possibly fulfill the traditional uses of firearms (hunting, marksman competitions). Things like the Beryll-9 (or whatever the Californian gun is) are expected to last less than 500 rounds and their manufacturers intentionally flood the black market for profit. The Tec-9 can be made in a workshop illegally without difficulty, but there's better examples. In WW2, Britain designed a submachine gun that was literally a metal tube with a handle that fired bullets, which, while crude and useless to any self-respecting, law-abiding citizen, outfitted the ranks of anti-German resistances all over west Europe. There's similar examples from a lot of ex-USSR nations, notably Slovakia, who had to design cheap, home-made firearms out of desperation. As a direct result, coupled with the poverty of east europe, criminals were better equipped with automatic weapons than the police (in cities that were lucky enough to have them) or local law.

Those are the kinds of weapons that should populate DayZ, along with Mosins, AKs, and other Russian weapons.

[Lithium1056 45]

"Crime guns" are weapons that are cheap and easy to obtain (made en masse instead of being made of quality) that couldn't possibly fulfill the traditional uses of firearms (hunting, marksman competitions). Things like the Beryll-9 (or whatever the Californian gun is) are expected to last less than 500 rounds and their manufacturers intentionally flood the black market for profit. The Tec-9 can be made in a workshop illegally without difficulty, but there's better examples. In WW2, Britain designed a submachine gun that was literally a metal tube with a handle that fired bullets, which, while crude and useless to any self-respecting, law-abiding citizen, outfitted the ranks of anti-German resistances all over west Europe. There's similar examples from a lot of ex-USSR nations, notably Slovakia, who had to design cheap, home-made firearms out of desperation. As a direct result, coupled with the poverty of east europe, criminals were better equipped with automatic weapons than the police (in cities that were lucky enough to have them) or local law.

Those are the kinds of weapons that should populate DayZ, along with Mosins, AKs, and other Russian weapons.

I disagree, arms dealers, cartels and even American street gangs aren't using low quality weapons any more. Also my point with the Tec-9 is the ease it's modified not made. It's actually a fairly solid construction.

But with DayZ we have an oppurtunity to explore other firearms. People screaming for regional specific weapons are out I thier minds. Because very few soviet weapons saw mass production aside from the AK series and the Mosin Nagant series. To give you an example the PPSH 41 saw 6 million units produced the Mosin line saw 35 million units! We are also talking about a country that's seen more foreign invasions than the Middle East! (Ok maybe not but still!) I agree western weapons in mass (post WWII era at least) don't need to be introduced. 95% of "western" weapons as we see them are actually produced by joint operations of multiple countries trying to advance weapons to a more universal scale. But at the same time Russia hasn't really produced an advanced weapon in recent years. And most other shooters rely on being able to use prototype production weapons! (IE: the Kriss super V aka the Vector .45 SMG or the remmington ACR) what we do need to see though is legitimately proven weapons. Tat have even adapted by multiple countries (especially NATO and UN countries) that would have responded to a viral outbreak on this scale in that region (IE Czech Republic) or universally adapted weapons systems like the UZI the MP5 and so forth. As well as an accurate portrayal of the mass amounts of surplus left over from WWII and follow up conflicts (the odd stg-44 or MP-40 that grand dad pried from te fingers of a frozen Nazi) which so far we've see accurate weapons. AKM, M4 etc. I'd like to see some more Russian designs thrown in especially the Ballistic Knife which was used almost exclusively in Russia. I'd like to see the SVD and others. But "crime-guns" and makeshift weapons designed in the cloak and dagger days of the Cold War as you describe them have no place for the most part. As the average citizen isn't going to have the working knowledge to build them.

But along those lines I do like where it could go as far as common knowledge attachments. Hydrate with a Pipsi, duct tape it to your 1911 and have a 1-2 shot silencer. That rotten potato? Just saved you from half of Elektro getting a bead on you cause you found that a .45 round and a 1911 before you found an Axe and that Zombie/player is standing between you and survival.

Yeah I can life with that and it would certainly make those empty cans and rotten potatos useful.

[General Zod 1118]

How about we add Russian or European weapons instead of 'Murican

[applejaxc 2500]

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Your points, refreshingly, aren't stupid. I commend you for making the internet a better place, and apologize for trying to counter your argument at 2 AM. I'm pretty sure the Californian company went out of business (I was googling what I thought its name was for like three hours, and couldn't even find a Wikipedia entry), and among that my other facts were wrong.

 

Weapons like the MP5 ("universal" ones) do make sense in just about any settings. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've seen recent news footage with Ukranians fighting with them (What's that Youtube news channel? It's really exciting. It used to be in my "What to watch" all the time...). The thread, however,, is "New civilian weapons" not "New joint-op advancing the world through shared technological achievement weapons." While it's important the barracks, et cetera, maintain a healthy selection of modern firearms, that isn't the point of the thread. We both got off topic a bit too much.

[Zuulass 45]

lever gun that can have a scope

[Lithium1056 45]

I don't know what civilian means "elsewhere" in the US it generally means a semi-automatic version of weapon "xyz". Ergo I can buy a semi-automatic M4 variant or "P90" (forget what that's actually called. But "insert about a mile of legal bs here pertaining to assault and machine weapons bans" prevents fully automatic variants. I naturally assume other countries institute similar restrictions to attempt to give law enforcement an "upper hand"

So when I think Civilian weapons I do think of the AR-15 or the M14 ranch hand(think that's the model name for the semi) because of those restrictions here. But past that and the other "legal" definitions I can purchase MP5's and whatnot as a civilian so long as I meet the the legal purchase requirement and the weapon doesn't class as a machine or assault weapon.

That being said the "machine weapons" ban of 1986 only pertained to fully automatic weapons manufactured after "date x" in 1986 and commercial retail sales. (Which is the big hoopla about gun shows over here) if you posses a mp-40 I can through private sale as a civilian (although I think this law was amended to incorporate a particular license) purchase that from you.

So again I go back to the era specific weapons as well as questioning why constitutes a "civilian weapon?

[General Zod 1118]

If Chernarus is anything like Russia than finding 40mm grenade launchers and HMGs would be possible in some homes. AKs would be pretty much everywhere. 

[a_ruttle 199]

The MAC-11 was the variant that had semi-auto versions, but I don't see any reason to have a semi-auto one ingame. On the other hand, a select-fire MAC-10 would be a great .45 ACP submachine-gun to have (basically the game's .45 counterpart of a .380 Vz.61 Skorpion).

 

The AR-18 is wholly unnecessary because you don't see a lot of them anywhere, even in the US. A better semi-automatic .223 carbine would be the Ruger Mini-14. Not saying I don't like it, I'm okay with any weapons the devs add, this included.

 

And I'd say no thanks to the hellfire trigger groups. They aren't compatible with every weapon and aren't known for working very well. They're generally intended for AR-15s, which wouldn't be as prevalent in Chernarus as in the United States. I mean, a semi-automatic AR-15 would be fine to have in DayZ, but you're more likely to find an actual M4A1 than you are one of those, and for gameplay reasons, it should stay that way.

The ruger Mini 14 has everything I want but don't get in the Sporter 22