cant add ATLAS Bipod to Mosin

[-Gews- 7443]

As far as I'm concerned it's pretty simple. The people who don't care about realism wouldn't give two hoots whether the Mosin got this compensator or not, nor do they really care what it does. The people who do care about these things, well, care about it. With this object gone or fixed the game would be the exact same for the first group and better for the second group, which is an improvement, so why not? Any objections? For all we know this behavior is a placeholder anyways and they will have it alter recoil and noise in some later patch spreading happiness to everyone.

[Bororm 1156]

I don't think anyone should be telling Gews what and what not to play. He usually knows what he's talking about.

 

I've seen him before say he "rages" over stuff like weapon calibers being wrong, so I'm just trying to look out for his sanity =P

This game is never going to have the level of realism some people seem to want.  Rocket has said he wants attachments that are shared between multiple weapons, we're going to see things that aren't necessarily realistic.  So if you're all about super realism, then yeah, DayZ may not be the game to be playing.

 

As far as I'm concerned it's pretty simple. The people who don't care about realism wouldn't give two hoots whether the Mosin got this compensator or not, nor do they really care what it does. The people who do care about these things, well, care about it. With this object gone or fixed the game would be the exact same for the first group and better for the second group, which is an improvement, so why not? Any objections? For all we know this behavior is a placeholder anyways and they will have it alter recoil and noise in some later patch spreading happiness to everyone.

 

Exactly, we don't know what will change, so why worry about it now?

Edited June 9, 2014 by Bororm

[gibonez 3633]

I actually like the idea of finding "useless" attachments. Maybe not completely worthless (something may provide nice aesthetics, for example), but not everything you throw on a gun is going to make it perform better. The Magpul parts are a good example of this, they really shouldn't affect anything on the M4A1, but do look cool. Ergonomically they are probably better than the standard handguard, but there's no real way to replicate this. In the end the RIS handguard should be the most useful handguard there is; and we could probably use a few more attachments to go along with it (fore-grips, AN/PEQ lasers, and an M203 come to mind)

 

Yea that would be pretty fantastic.

 

Weapon attachments being purely cosmetic not unlike most of the clothing would be a good way to make the game better.

 

Having a hierarchy for objects that do absolutely nothing to improve a weapons effectiveness in real life is kinda stupid in game.

 

Putting on magpul parts of an m4 should only be there to make the mall ninjas love their tacticool rifle more the exact same reason people do so in real life.

 

[Capo 323]

I've seen him before say he "rages" over stuff like weapon calibers being wrong, so I'm just trying to look out for his sanity =P

 

 

You can be a bit of a dick, can't you? If you don't place much importance on realism as far as weaponry is concerned that's cool, but how else are people who do care about those things meant to get the dev's attention if not by making posts and giving examples?

[Bororm 1156]

You can be a bit of a dick, can't you? If you don't place much importance on realism as far as weaponry is concerned that's cool, but how else are people who do care about those things meant to get the dev's attention if not by making posts and giving examples?

 

The feedback tracker?  Reddit? Twitter? 

Hate to break it to you, but the devs hardly give a shit about this forum.  If you wanna spin your wheels about something, that's cool, sitting around wondering why they added a compensator when it doesn't function exactly like it does irl just seems pointless to me.  It has a function in game, which loosely resembles what it's meant to do irl, it's an incomplete system to begin with.  What's the point?  Seems like moaning for the sake of moaning to me.

 

Suggestion forum might be a little better too.

Edited June 9, 2014 by Bororm

[gibonez 3633]

The feedback tracker?  Reddit? Twitter?

Hate to break it to you, but the devs hardly give a shit about this forum.

 

 

Bullshit.

 

They read these forums each and every day.

 

They very much care what people post here my guess is the only reason they arent on here more often is because of how venomous we are.

 

Unlike reddit we dont worship the ground Rocket walks on and we give our honest opinion for better or worse. Problem with that is we unfortunately are almost never nice about it me included.

[Bororm 1156]

Bullshit.

 

They read these forums each and every day.

 

They very much care what people post here my guess is the only reason they arent on here more often is because of how venomous we are.

 

Unlike reddit we dont worship the ground Rocket walks on and we give our honest opinion for better or worse. Problem with that is we unfortunately are almost never nice about it me included.

 

It's definitely not as good of a way of getting attention on a topic as any of the other methods I mentioned.  Rocket has said he prefers reddit, because of the way it works, where the "better" comments rise to the top due to the voting shit they got going on.  Twitter is probably a fairly shitty method, but I've seen a lot of tweets responded to personally.  The feedback tracker is likely the best method, as stated by Rocket.  The suggestion forum is better than this forum.

 

The bottom line is, Gews wasn't making a suggestion, he was having a little complaint yet again about realism.  I was merely pointing out, this is a video game, not everything is a perfect representation of real life.

 

Some people are way too serious.

Edited June 9, 2014 by Bororm

[gibonez 3633]

 

 

The bottom line is, Gews wasn't making a suggestion, he was having a little complaint yet again about realism.  I was merely pointing out, this is a video game, not everything is a perfect representation of real life.

 

 

 

Of course not some concessions must be made but some of the crap in Stand alone is above and beyond dumb and make no sense unless they flat out say its placeholder.

 

The fully kitted out Tacticool 100 dollar mosin nagants with bipods that cost more than the rifle and optics that are probably 30-40x more expensive than the gun itself thats one of those silly things.

[hombrecz 832]

Let's atleast agree on one thing. Forum is a place to discuss sh*t, so that is what we are doing isn't it?

 

I hope they will fix the new player location detection so that new patch can get onto stable branch.

[gibonez 3633]

Let's atleast agree on one thing. Forum is a place to discuss sh*t, so that is what we are doing isn't it?

 

I hope they will fix the new player location detection so that new patch can get onto stable branch.

 

Forum place to discuss the game with atleast some sort of depth.

 

Reddit place to post idiotic memes and stupidass pictures of shovels + bananas then comment on how you thought it was a mosin from a distance.

[Capo 323]

Forum place to discuss the game with atleast some sort of depth.

 

Reddit place to post idiotic memes and stupidass pictures of shovels + bananas then comment on how you thought it was a mosin from a distance.

 

I'm pretty fucken annoyed that those pics made it to the top of the pile. Slow news day evidently. 

[Chaingunfighter 917]

Yea that would be pretty fantastic.

 

Weapon attachments being purely cosmetic not unlike most of the clothing would be a good way to make the game better.

 

Having a hierarchy for objects that do absolutely nothing to improve a weapons effectiveness in real life is kinda stupid in game.

 

Putting on magpul parts of an m4 should only be there to make the mall ninjas love their tacticool rifle more the exact same reason people do so in real life.

 

 

Yeah, I surely hope the guns get to a point where not every common gun is less useful than high-end rifles. Sort of like the engraved 1911, it's no better than the common 1911 or highly superior FNX-45 but it has value with rarity (and it looks much cooler without those ugly standard grip plates).

If they took it to the extent of applying this to more than just variants of existing guns, it'd be great. say, the Mauser C96 they may add; it's probably going to be a lot rarer than the P1 or CR75 but performance-wise it'll be very similar.

 

Also, now that I've seen the Mosins without the bipods much more frequently, I've finally come to the conclusion that the LRS does need to be taken off of the Mosin, they look so much better without all that black paint and high-end shit on them. The compensator, PU scope, and bayonet (obviously) I can deal with, as they are real attachments that would actually work on the Mosin without too much trouble, but the LRS looks pretty damn ugly on it.

 

Hopefully the eventual SVD will give us a basic sniper platform to use, and the Mosin can become a common farm/residential rifle that is customizable, but not to the degree of most of the dedicated military platforms (or other bolt-action rifles), so you'll generally be better off with another rifle if you want to go around sniping.

Going hand-in-hand with this, I think we should get a CZ rifle and an M-700 that have the option for many attachments just as they do in reality (and give the Sporter-22 as well as Blaze the option for scopes).

 

They're also going to need another AR-type platform to use the ATLAS Bipod, or at least Chris Torchia might, because he himself said he doesn't like unique attachments too much (unless they're able to set the gun apart from others well)

[TyrDaishi 36]

The problem is not wether the game should display realistic guns or not, because it absolutly should. The problem is that right now the guns that are in the game can fill in for specific tasks . Without the bipod, compensator or LRS there is an important part in the game missing that many enjoy right now. If you really want the changes of the guns for realism, you need to include the weapon that was made for the task (e.x. sniping) first. I don't want 50 .cal rifles or even halfautomatic DMRs. But I want my bolt action sniper rifle tbh. the game wouldn't be the same without it for me.

Edited June 12, 2014 by TyrDaishi

[Munson_fry (DayZ) 312]

Forum place to discuss the game with atleast some sort of depth.

 

Reddit place to post idiotic memes and stupidass pictures of shovels + bananas then comment on how you thought it was a mosin from a distance.

i shot a guy whith a shovel when i was new  :D

 

Hes got a GUN bommm

 

ohh srry i fucked up  :blush:

 

my squad laughed ther ass off and they still teasing me with that old story .