Different ammo types, gun shops and improvised ghillie suit.

[maximus sparticus 3]

I've had a few ideas for DayZ that I personally think would make the game better and improve the immersion if added at a later stage.

 

#1: Different ammo types - For example there it only the 5.56 round in the game, let's assume it's the standard issue M855 round used by the US military, it can penetrate body armor alright and tissue damage is okay but what if we could find civilian .223 rounds designed to cause massive tissue damage that do nothing against armor or rounds that will easily penetrate body armor but will do minimal damage to an unarmored target? Maybe if you were very lucky you'd find a box of M855A1 5.56 rounds stashed away in the barracks.

 

Adding in these different types of rounds could also make duct tape more useful. You wouldn't be able to tell what type of round it was unless you inspected it so people could put black tape on magazines for armored targets and red tape on magazines for unarmored targets ect. little things to make the game more authentic. It could also help reduce the KOS with people not knowing if someone can kill them or not based on their weapon alone, instead of "Oh he has an M4 it'll take 4 shots to kill me i'll go rush him" it'll be "Oh he has an M4 he can kill me in 6 shots but he might have rounds that'll kill me in 2 shots i'd better stay low."

 

#2: Improvised ghillie suits - Remember back in the mod where everyone outside of Cherno had magical ghillie suits that made them invisible? If they are added in they will be super rare the one Miles the bandit has is an improvised piece he made himself. If you find a TTsKO jacket/Tactical shirt and TTsKO/hunter pants you can gather scissors, burlap sack or two, a piece of rope per burlap sack and another Tactical shirt/TTsKO jacket to make it. It won't be perfect so you'll have to pick a smart place to hide and while gathering the supplies to make it it'll take up a lot of room so you can't run around with 10 stanag magazines while trying to make it.

 

#3: Civilian variants of weapons and gun shops - Another way to add weapons without making them overpowered is to add civilian versions of existing weapons (AR-15 civilian AK-47) that are more common and are slightly worse (lower accuracy, single shot only, less reliable ect.) with proper M4A1s and AKMs rarer at military bases only. This can also add gun shops that can be spread around the map to break the Berinzino-NEAF death match, if you're luck you'll find an AR-15 with a C-mag and a box of .223, If you've kept karma happy you can get very luck with a Remington 700 and a box of .308.

 

Those are my ideas, tell me what you think.

 

 

 

[Pandafish 60]

i like the idea of civilian weapons.

we already have low-ammo mags for the m4.

maybe firing different ammo types (full metal jacket, homemade etc) would corrode your gun more and give weapon repair kits a use?

[enforcer1975 1111]

You wouldn't want to be shot with either ammo type regardless if you are wearing armor or not. And how do you want to differ what type of ammo i have loaded if you don't know what bullet type i chose for which color???????

 

Camo in general is put in relation to violent players ( KoSers, "Bandits", "Heroes" ) so you would be at a valid target for most survivors if you showed up in a ghillie yelling friendly.

 

Why is a civilian version of a military firearm less OP than a military version or what is the factor that makes a weapon OP regardless if it's military or civilian? You could say an Elephant rifle with a 10x scope is OP compared to a M4 with ACOG... Fullauto capability or at least using it makes the weapon worse accuracy wise.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Enforcer

[maximus sparticus 3]

i like the idea of civilian weapons.

we already have low-ammo mags for the m4.

maybe firing different ammo types (full metal jacket, homemade etc) would corrode your gun more and give weapon repair kits a use?

I'm not talking about magazines, what part of my post confused you?

[maximus sparticus 3]

You wouldn't want to be shot with either ammo type regardless if you are wearing armor or not. And how do you want to differ what type of ammo i have loaded if you don't know what bullet type i chose for which color???????

 

Camo in general is put in relation to violent players ( KoSers, "Bandits", "Heroes" ) so you would be at a valid target for most survivors if you showed up in a ghillie yelling friendly.

 

Why is a civilian version of a military firearm less OP than a military version or what is the factor that makes a weapon OP regardless if it's military or civilian? You could say an Elephant rifle with a 10x scope is OP compared to a M4 with ACOG... Fullauto capability or at least using it makes the weapon worse accuracy wise.

You wouldn't be able to tell what type of ammo it was if it was loaded in a magazine, you'd have to unload it and inspect it. This way duct tape would be useful because you'd put it on your magazines to tell.

 

If you're wearing a ghillie suit then you don't want to be seen.

 

And the civilian weapons will be slightly worse in soft stats like accuracy, durability, ect. it's really there to add variety and make you feel more immersed in the game.

[Pandafish 60]

I'm not talking about magazines, what part of my post confused you?

im not confused, im just saying that the low-ammo mags suit your idea of civilian weapons, like single-shot ar-15s.

[maximus sparticus 3]

im not confused, im just saying that the low-ammo mags suit your idea of civilian weapons, like single-shot ar-15s.

Why would civilian weapons have magazine size limits? If it's an AR-15 then it should fit a STANAG just fine.

[Legio23 82]

You wouldn't be able to tell what type of ammo it was if it was loaded in a magazine, you'd have to unload it and inspect it. This way duct tape would be useful because you'd put it on your magazines to tell.

 

If you're wearing a ghillie suit then you don't want to be seen.

 

And the civilian weapons will be slightly worse in soft stats like accuracy, durability, ect. it's really there to add variety and make you feel more immersed in the game.

I've fired both military and civilian firearms such as the M4 variants and AK variants among others; quite a number of the civilian versions I've tried have actually been more accurate than their military counterparts and just as tough. The moment you are dealing with a 'civilian' version of a military weapon, the military weapon generally becomes the baseline of which other companies wish to improve upon, just in semi auto only for most.

As for large numbers of ammo variants, why ? I wouldn't want to burden myself down with several different types of ammo in the same calibre as a standard 5.56 round or 7.62 will cover most jobs, though I would not be against adding standard HPs for the 9mm and .45ACP

[maximus sparticus 3]

I've fired both military and civilian firearms such as the M4 variants and AK variants among others; quite a number of the civilian versions I've tried have actually been more accurate than their military counterparts and just as tough. The moment you are dealing with a 'civilian' version of a military weapon, the military weapon generally becomes the baseline of which other companies wish to improve upon, just in semi auto only for most.

As for large numbers of ammo variants, why ? I wouldn't want to burden myself down with several different types of ammo in the same calibre as a standard 5.56 round or 7.62 will cover most jobs, though I would not be against adding standard HPs for the 9mm and .45ACP

I was hoping they would add different variants from different companies, so you could get the cheap AR-15 or you could get a really nice high quality one. Regarding the ammo I was talking about the same type of ammo having different rounds for different purposes, to deal with armored or unarmored targets.

[enforcer1975 1111]

I was hoping they would add different variants from different companies, so you could get the cheap AR-15 or you could get a really nice high quality one. Regarding the ammo I was talking about the same type of ammo having different rounds for different purposes, to deal with armored or unarmored targets.

 

I'd rather have a variety of "native" weapon systems...i don't see why weapon dealers would want to sell weapons that are expensive even in the country they are made of. Like i said a lot of times in other threads people think practical, a 50$ AK will kill you as much as a 1000$ AK100 series or a 3000$ AR and even the ammo costs a lot less.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Enforcer

[maximus sparticus 3]

I'd rather have a variety of "native" weapon systems...i don't see why weapon dealers would want to sell weapons that are expensive even in the country they are made of. Like i said a lot of times in other threads people think practical, a 50$ AK will kill you as much as a 1000$ AK100 series or a 3000$ AR and even the ammo costs a lot less.

People like to collect fancy weapons

[enforcer1975 1111]

People like to collect fancy weapons

 

If they can afford it...collecting is for people who can "waste" money.

[maximus sparticus 3]

If they can afford it...collecting is for people who can "waste" money.

Yes but people do collect that and it would make sense to include in the game.

[terminal_boy 860]

Ther

You wouldn't be able to tell what type of ammo it was if it was loaded in a magazine, you'd have to unload it and inspect it. This way duct tape would be useful because you'd put it on your magazines to tell.

 

If you're wearing a ghillie suit then you don't want to be seen.

 

And the civilian weapons will be slightly worse in soft stats like accuracy, durability, ect. it's really there to add variety and make you feel more immersed in the game.

All the M855 Ball variants are visibly different to M193 or commercial .223 Remington ammo (which you shouldn't use in a weapon chambered for 5.56x45 NATO anyway).

And your Bravo Company, LMT, Noveske etc. civilian AR-15 is probably going to shoot tighter groups than a Colt or FN built M4 which has had 20,000 rounds through it.

[maximus sparticus 3]

About the civilian guns, just to clear this up the reason I want them in the game is to encourage exploration because gun shops will be scattered around the map. And they are civilian weapons so they can be worse or better than their military counterparts, it's a matter of luck finding the good ones.

[maximus sparticus 3]

Ther

All the M855 Ball variants are visibly different to M193 or commercial .223 Remington ammo (which you shouldn't use in a weapon chambered for 5.56x45 NATO anyway).

And your Bravo Company, LMT, Noveske etc. civilian AR-15 is probably going to shoot tighter groups than a Colt or FN built M4 which has had 20,000 rounds through it.

I thought it was okay to use .223 in a 5.56 weapon but not to use 5.56 in a .223 weapon

[DURRHUNTER 597]

Well Everything that i see in that suggestion

HAS BEEN SUGGESTED! :D

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/195396-some-ideas-self-made-furcloth-creatable-ghillie-survival-spear/?hl=%2Bghillie+%2Bsuit

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/177640-snipers-ghillie-suits/page-2?hl=%2Bghillie+%2Bsuit#entry1820612

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/169978-crafting-ghilli-suits/?hl=%2Bghillie+%2Bsuit#entry1728368

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/166604-crafting-a-ghillie-suit/?hl=%2Bghillie+%2Bsuit

I know there is a Gun Shop suggestion somewhere but cant find it.

Alot of ammo types wont be added because it will make some weapons 'useless'

[enforcer1975 1111]

About the civilian guns, just to clear this up the reason I want them in the game is to encourage exploration because gun shops will be scattered around the map. And they are civilian weapons so they can be worse or better than their military counterparts, it's a matter of luck finding the good ones.

 

I googled gunshops in my state and found 72 in an area of 20000km² i'm sure not every shop sells weapons that need a permit...how many gunshops did you want in Chernarus...like in every town because if i calculate the area and amount of shops in my place you'd have 0.8 shops in Chernarus. If you'd go full realistic how many blank firing guns, toyguns, projectile weapons like bows and slings and edged weapons would you have for each "real" firearm if you don't take the US ratio as a benchmark? We can't buy shotguns and ammo at walmart...

Edited May 13, 2014 by Enforcer

[maximus sparticus 3]

I googled gunshops in my state and found 72 in an area of 20000km²...how many gunshops did you want in Chernarus...like in every town because if i calculate the area and amount of shops in my place you'd have 0.8 shops in Chernarus.

I was hoping one out of six out of the way towns would have a small local shop that would cater mainly to the local hunters and two or three general gun shops and a really nice shop.

[maximus sparticus 3]

Well Everything that i see in that suggestion

HAS BEEN SUGGESTED! :D

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/195396-some-ideas-self-made-furcloth-creatable-ghillie-survival-spear/?hl=%2Bghillie+%2Bsuit

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/177640-snipers-ghillie-suits/page-2?hl=%2Bghillie+%2Bsuit#entry1820612

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/169978-crafting-ghilli-suits/?hl=%2Bghillie+%2Bsuit#entry1728368

http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/166604-crafting-a-ghillie-suit/?hl=%2Bghillie+%2Bsuit

I know there is a Gun Shop suggestion somewhere but cant find it.

Alot of ammo types wont be added because it will make some weapons 'useless

 

 

Sorry didn't see those posts and how would the ammo types make the weapons useless?

Edited May 13, 2014 by maximus sparticus

[enforcer1975 1111]

I was hoping one out of six out of the way towns would have a small local shop that would cater mainly to the local hunters and two or three general gun shops and a really nice shop.

 

If i wanted to open up a shop i would try to set up in Cherno, Elektro or Berezino since they have the most population and are the centers or commerce in the area.

[maximus sparticus 3]

If i wanted to open up a shop i would try to set up in Cherno, Elektro or Berezino since they have the most population and are the centers or commerce in the area.

Thinking about that those cities would be better for the bigger stores where you can find the ARs and AKs while the smaller stores would be better for the villages and have bold action hunting rifles and survival gear.

[UltimateGentleman 355]

About the civilian guns, just to clear this up the reason I want them in the game is to encourage exploration because gun shops will be scattered around the map. And they are civilian weapons so they can be worse or better than their military counterparts, it's a matter of luck finding the good ones.

 

I'm not necessarily against it but if proper military grade stuff is hard to find...that means it's harder to find and defend yourself against it.

So you go in to this gun shop, running from a guy with a pimped out M4, military grade ammo and SWEET JOY you find an M4 and a clip!

But it has piece of crap civilian ammo in it and you get shredded.

 

No matter how rare the good guns are people will find them and just camp around with them, killing the suckers who can only find the crap stuff as it's all that's left.

 

 

I would like some different ammo types but nothing significantly weaker or more powerful than standard, same with guns themselves. Hollow points would be cool I guess, if they made it harder to kill you while you had gear on anyway.

No armour piercing 1-2 hit kill rounds though that would suck, especially for the M4/automatics they're godly and spammed enough.

[maximus sparticus 3]

I'm not necessarily against it but if proper military grade stuff is hard to find...that means it's harder to find and defend yourself against it.

So you go in to this gun shop, running from a guy with a pimped out M4, military grade ammo and SWEET JOY you find an M4 and a clip!

But it has piece of crap civilian ammo in it and you get shredded.

 

No matter how rare the good guns are people will find them and just camp around with them, killing the suckers who can only find the crap stuff as it's all that's left.

 

 

I would like some different ammo types but nothing significantly weaker or more powerful than standard, same with guns themselves. Hollow points would be cool I guess, if they made it harder to kill you while you had gear on anyway.

No armour piercing 1-2 hit kill rounds though that would suck, especially for the M4/automatics they're godly and spammed enough.

I don't understand how you would get shredded if someone had a civilian ammo compared to military grade ammo, if you found an AR-15 with civilian .223 and the guy chasing you had an M4A1 with M855 rounds wouldn't you have the advantage because of the higher tissue damage you could cause?