Soooo about Hardcore

[Jex 1104]

To me, when I play a game, I want to immerse myself into that character. First person is where my eyes are in world. If I look around I'm not a floating camera, I have a body. 

 

When I want to play a zombie apocalypse, I don't want a cheap experience where I can cheat and look over things and never be surprised. I want to crap my pants when a zombie leaps at me when I'm not expecting it.

 

I want challenge - I want to have to sneak around zombies knowing any mistake I make could be fatal. I want to hunt players also knowing mistakes can get me killed - 3rd person removes all of this.

[Jex 1104]

Personaly i dont like hardcore too much (i gave it a good go) theres something wrong about it. I dont know how to describe it but it just does not feel right. 

 

It's called playing regular mode way too much and being used to it. Play enough HC mode and it will be fine unless you're one of the few human beings on this planet who's brain isn't able to adapt to it's surroundings, which I don't believe for a second ;)

 

 

 

And i just realised what is wrong with hardcore, your awareness is terrible. Its like driving a car with no side mirrors or interior mirror. In other fps games awareness is acceptable but this game its horrible. 

 

It's the same as any other video game. WTF are you talking about? All FPS's work exactly the same except in Arma/Dayz you can move your head independent of your body. You can change the FOV too.

 

How is moving a square window around to view the world different from moving a square window around to view the world??

Edited April 22, 2014 by Jexter

[Dr.Burd 107]

 

 

 

It's the same as any other video game. WTF are you talking about? All FPS's work exactly the same except in Arma/Dayz you can move your head independent of your body. You can change the FOV too.

 

How is moving a square window around to view the world different from moving a square window around to view the world??

 

Calm down there, friend.

 

It's different because you have no peripheral vision, and most of your additional seeking senses don't work, sounds are also currently messed up, so you can't find a person based on sound very well.

 

It's like viewing it through inverted fisheye vision, it's like looking through a square window, where in real life, you can see almost completely sideways as long as you're paying attention. You can be looking completely forward, and still see some stuff on your side, but in the game, you have only very limited vision.

 

It kills your situational awareness, as well.

 

As for additional seeing senses, you have a sense that detects eyes looking at you, some games are designed to adhere to this, but people in dayz have 'dead eyes', so this doesn't work. Also, since players in dayz, don't move as much as a real person would in real life, you don't see as well.

 

I also noticed that it's easier to see people in dayz mod than it is in SA... I feel the dayz sa graphics are unfinished.

[lipemr 160]

Hardcore = real deal

 

Lamecore = WoW survival - wannabe.

[lipemr 160]

Calm down there, friend.

 

It's different because you have no peripheral vision, and most of your additional seeking senses don't work, sounds are also currently messed up, so you can't find a person based on sound very well.

 

It's like viewing it through inverted fisheye vision, it's like looking through a square window, where in real life, you can see almost completely sideways as long as you're paying attention. You can be looking completely forward, and still see some stuff on your side, but in the game, you have only very limited vision.

 

It kills your situational awareness, as well.

 

As for additional seeing senses, you have a sense that detects eyes looking at you, some games are designed to adhere to this, but people in dayz have 'dead eyes', so this doesn't work. Also, since players in dayz, don't move as much as a real person would in real life, you don't see as well.

 

I also noticed that it's easier to see people in dayz mod than it is in SA... I feel the dayz sa graphics are unfinished.

 

Could you explain what the hell is this "got eyes on you" sense? what?

 

the only thing thats handicapped with 1st person on the game right now is the sound (that i dont know why, they work just fine in arma 2 and 3), peripheral vision is like this in any game and just a bit of FOV tweaking can make it much better.

 

Fiddling with FOV have the downside of reducing the scope zoom, and that's pretty bullshit, but anyway.

 

You cant be serious if you're telling me that the bugged sounds should be balanced by the ability to see shit behind cover and kill someone almost without any exposure.

 

People play 3dp servers cause they're addicted/used to it, as EVERY streamer out there uses this lamecore tactic to get kills, and by the same motivation that makes bullshit servers with 999 vehicles and 213123234 barracks be full while vanilla/hardcore servers are usually empty.

 

Most people want the easy way for everything. And the concept of dayz tells that you're supposed to be out of your confort zone while playing, hence why you should play in hardcore if you want to experience what's dayz is really about.

Edited April 22, 2014 by lipemr

[Dr.Burd 107]

Hardcore = real deal

 

Lamecore = WoW survival - wannabe.

 

 

Could you explain what the hell is this "got eyes on you" sense? what?

 

the only thing's handicapped on 1st person on the game right now is the sound (that i dont know why, they work just fine in arma 2 and 3), peripheral vision is like this in any game and just a bit of FOV tweaking can make it much better.

 

Fiddling with FOV have the downside of reducing the scope zoom, and that's pretty bullshit, but anyway.

 

You cant be serious if you're telling me that the bugged sounds should be balanced by the ability to see shit behind cover and kill someone almost without any exposure.

 

People play 3dp servers cause they're addicted/used to it, as EVERY streamer out there uses this lamecore tactic to get kills.

 

I never said I preferred regular, and I said nothing about balance at all, so please do not put words into my mouth. P

 

Just forget what I said, I don't want to start a debate, not with anybody here, I'm a medic, not a debater.

 

I will answer your question about the senses.

 

I was studying eyes in biology, and the eye is a very special thing. Made to detect movement very easily, this means eye movement as well. Some people say they feel they're being watched, that is because something is usually watching them and they've skimmed over the viewer with their eyes. Eye is specially made to detect other eyes.

 

Anyways, I will post nothing else, already argumentatives in this topic and still entering, and nobody can win an internet debate or arguement, no matter what they say, best to just prevent it at all costs.

 

Also, why are you so hopped up? Am I making you angry somehow? Please point out how, so I may not do it again.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Dr.Burd

[Jex 1104]

Calm down there, friend.

 

It's different because you have no peripheral vision, and most of your additional seeking senses don't work, sounds are also currently messed up, so you can't find a person based on sound very well.

 

It's like viewing it through inverted fisheye vision, it's like looking through a square window, where in real life, you can see almost completely sideways as long as you're paying attention. You can be looking completely forward, and still see some stuff on your side, but in the game, you have only very limited vision.

 

It kills your situational awareness, as well.

 

As for additional seeing senses, you have a sense that detects eyes looking at you, some games are designed to adhere to this, but people in dayz have 'dead eyes', so this doesn't work. Also, since players in dayz, don't move as much as a real person would in real life, you don't see as well.

 

I also noticed that it's easier to see people in dayz mod than it is in SA... I feel the dayz sa graphics are unfinished.

 

What? I am calm but it's hard to work out nonsensical claims.

 

It's different from what? You do know I was talking about one FPS compared to DayZ right, not RL? Go back and read his post and my reply to his post again.

[Dr.Burd 107]

What? I am calm but it's hard to work out nonsensical claims.

 

It's different from what? You do know I was talking about one FPS compared to DayZ right, not RL? Go back and read his post and my reply to his post again.

I know what you were talking about, I am just very interested in biology as of recent, and I guess I just got excited talking about it. I'm terribly sorry.

 

Just ignore my posts, I'll leave now.

[ptk (DayZ) 178]

I know what you were talking about, I am just very interested in biology as of recent, and I guess I just got excited talking about it. I'm terribly sorry.

 

Just ignore my posts, I'll leave now.

Hey man, after being here for awhile you will come to see hundreds of threads like these where the 1st person fanatics will rant and rave about how their way to play is the only way, even going so far as to say 3rd person view should be removed entirely. Don't let them get you down my friend.

Normally, you won't find rational discussion past the 1st page in threads such as this...

[Dr.Burd 107]

Hey man, after being here for awhile you will come to see hundreds of threads like these where the 1st person fanatics will rant and rave about how their way to play is the only way, even going so far as to say 3rd person view should be removed entirely. Don't let them get you down my friend.

Normally, you won't find rational discussion past the 1st page in threads such as this...

 

Maybe we play together for a little while some day.

 

BTW, he didn't get me down, I just don't want to argue at 5 AM. I can't sleep.

 

Edit - Just came back after going to do something, forum is being spammer'd.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Dr.Burd

[Jex 1104]

Hey man, after being here for awhile you will come to see hundreds of threads like these where the 1st person fanatics will rant and rave about how their way to play is the only way, even going so far as to say 3rd person view should be removed entirely. Don't let them get you down my friend.

Normally, you won't find rational discussion past the 1st page in threads such as this...

 

Where on earth did you get me saying that one first person shooter is no different from another first person  to it's the only way to play??

 

You both need to learn to read and stop misquoting people. Neither of your replies make any sense at all to what I posted.

[dgeesio 1034]

*heart

 

And yes, hardcore is WAY better than noobZ.

popd in to see elitist first person response ...check now i leave.

[Karmaterror 982]

All of the above, though the biggest thing for me personally is that I know for a fact noone else can abuse it. This is such a relief that I actually can enjoy playing the game the way I want it to (as I prefer 1st person anyway) and don't have to worry about what anyone else is doing.

 

Here is the REAL reason a lot people go to HC servers.....Its about the effect it has on the enemy....not them. If it was just about the effect on themselfs then there is a button for that. Its about not having 99 other people with a "magic periscope" or "wallhack" or whatever its being called these dayz.

 

Simple fact is that having 99 players in the server with you that are armed with a "magic periscope" pumps the threat level through the roof compared to 1st....something SOME elitists have a hard time grasping. Glad at least someone can identify this key motivator....you have my beans :)

[lipemr 160]

Here is the REAL reason a lot people go to HC servers.....Its about the effect it has on the enemy....not them. If it was just about the effect on themselfs then there is a button for that. Its about not having 99 other people with a "magic periscope" or "wallhack" or whatever its being called these dayz.

 

Simple fact is that having 99 players in the server with you that are armed with a "magic periscope" pumps the threat level through the roof compared to 1st....something SOME elitists have a hard time grasping. Glad at least someone can identify this key motivator....you have my beans :)

 

well, cant blame people for wanting fair and balanced pvp. The 3rd person view isnt fair even when everyone uses it, as in most times people see you and you cant see them, even if you use the 3rd camera. isnt even about the 'threat level', it's more about the bullshit'o'meter. It's not fun, realistic nor fair when a jackass appears from behind cover with his weapon already aimed at your direction and instantly kills you, even when he was completely out of your possible sight all the time before that.

Edited April 22, 2014 by lipemr

[Jex 1104]

well, cant blame people for wanting fair and balanced pvp. The 3rd person view isnt fair even when everyone uses it, as in most times people see you and you cant see them, even if you use the 3rd camera. isnt even about the 'threat level', it's more about the bullshit'o'meter. It's not fun, realistic nor fair when a jackass appears from behind cover with his weapon already aimed at your direction and instantly kills you, even when he was completely out of your possible sight all the time before that.

 

A lot of people cannot grasp this concept that you explain and think that because both have access to 3rd person, both are on equal footing yet demonstrably it is provable that both are not equal. The one time someone responded to this line of thought was to say "Well if they're both at the end of a brick wall." This however never happens in DayZ (or if it does is so rare to be discounted) and what you describe about the jackass coming out from cover is exactly how these people use it. Wait until they aren't looking your way for a cheap and easy kill that you could not have gotten if you were playing via first person.

 

It's the cheapness of the kill that people don't like, not to mention all the other things 3rd person ruin.

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

Here is the REAL reason a lot people go to HC servers.....Its about the effect it has on the enemy....not them. If it was just about the effect on themselfs then there is a button for that. Its about not having 99 other people with a "magic periscope" or "wallhack" or whatever its being called these dayz.

 

Simple fact is that having 99 players in the server with you that are armed with a "magic periscope" pumps the threat level through the roof compared to 1st....something SOME elitists have a hard time grasping. Glad at least someone can identify this key motivator....you have my beans :)

Part of it is about a level playing field, it requires more skill for both parties if they don't have the ability to peek around corners. I love how you capitalise "REAL", by the way, as if people who play on hardcore servers are somehow being dishonest about why they play on them. Projecting much?

[TheScruffyBandit 382]

Here is the REAL reason a lot people go to HC servers.....Its about the effect it has on the enemy....not them. If it was just about the effect on themselfs then there is a button for that. Its about not having 99 other people with a "magic periscope" or "wallhack" or whatever its being called these dayz.

 

Simple fact is that having 99 players in the server with you that are armed with a "magic periscope" pumps the threat level through the roof compared to 1st....something SOME elitists have a hard time grasping. Glad at least someone can identify this key motivator....you have my beans :)

 Well done, you're a hilarious parody of 3pp babies, that's what you're aiming for, right?

Edited April 22, 2014 by TheScruffyBandit

[ptk (DayZ) 178]

Where on earth did you get me saying that one first person shooter is no different from another first person  to it's the only way to play??

 

You both need to learn to read and stop misquoting people. Neither of your replies make any sense at all to what I posted.

My statement was an overall generalization about threads such as these. Seeing as how hes a bit new to tue forums, i was giving him a little advice about how people will argue their point into oblivion. I play both so i really don't give two shits about what someone prefers. But i also don't claim that one way is better than the other, or that people should play a certain way because i think it's the way to play.

Nothing i said was directed towards you specifically or your comments, otherwise i would have quoted you or at least put your name in my post. I did neither. Perhaps you are the one who needs to go back and read lol.

[TheRedScare 353]

I hate it. Its immersion breaking for me. The 1st person view is just clunky and un-realistic. Yeah so is 3rd person but I can at least play the game. Until they add arma 3's stance system 1st person will be undesirable to me.

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

Until they add arma 3's stance system 1st person will be undesirable to me.

I believe Rocket said in one of his live streams that they are working on adding more stances, and it would be great if they did.

Edited April 22, 2014 by DarkwaveDomina

[xX_fr0st-w0lf_Xx (DayZ) 343]

Pick your poison. Third person is so broken at the moment I just cannot play it. 

[Jex 1104]

My statement was an overall generalization about threads such as these. Seeing as how hes a bit new to tue forums, i was giving him a little advice about how people will argue their point into oblivion. I play both so i really don't give two shits about what someone prefers. But i also don't claim that one way is better than the other, or that people should play a certain way because i think it's the way to play.

Nothing i said was directed towards you specifically or your comments, otherwise i would have quoted you or at least put your name in my post. I did neither. Perhaps you are the one who needs to go back and read lol.

 

You quoted someone quoting me, thereby directly linking me with your reply. I see nothing there that omit's me from a 1st person fanatic lol.

[blowurselfup 54]

_{Hardcore is definitely more immersive and intense!}

 

_{I would like to see the dot curser removed in HC..Adding to the immersion hopefully}

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

I would like to see the dot curser removed in HC..Adding to the immersion hopefully

They already said they're going to remove it soon. :)

[TheRedScare 353]

I like the idea of everyone being in 1st person but until stances are added so we can peer over walls without the use of an all seeing magical eyeball floating above us I won't play it.