The Public Hive- Am I the only person who likes it?

[DarkwaveDomina 1099]

In the mod I preferred private vanilla (with the exception of maps) hives. I like the public hive too, but I feel more immersed when I realise my character is limited to one server and the loot it provides, as well as private hive servers fostering their own tight-knit communities.

[nexventor 429]

I am not sure why it has to be one or the other, I think there should be both.

 

There are pro's and con's for both and I would definitely like to have the choice.

[Etherious 907]

I am not sure why it has to be one or the other, I think there should be both.

 

There are pro's and con's for both and I would definitely like to have the choice.

And add the PVP or PVE option too.

[nexventor 429]

And add the PVP or PVE option too.

 

PVE?...... How cute.

[River Lizard 47]

And this is different from private servers how?  You just described the regular rotation of server hoppers using the public server system

I've seen two streamers that own servers that they set the server to reboot to a short time so they could get geared up before heading to a pop server.  If there's not a public hive...they'll just restart it when they want to gear up....so they're not technically server hopping...but they are loot hopping their server so they're fully geared to play on it....so there's nothing wrong with that? if not...  then this topic is definitely hopeless...because you're pickin' and choosing what to complain about.  There is NO difference from a public hive with a guy jumping from server to server looting than a private admin rebooting the server in short time so it spawns loot quick....same principal.

[Etherious 907]

PVE?...... How cute.

Ok? PVE for the PVErs out there. You can't just be some ignorant brat when it comes to others opinions and interests too. BTW I am a PVPer just in case you havn't already know.

[nexventor 429]

Ok? PVE for the PVErs out there. You can't just be some ignorant brat when it comes to others opinions and interests too. BTW I am a PVPer just in case you havn't already know.

 

It goes against the whole mindset of the game if there are NO KILL servers. It is not being an ignorant brat, it is, as you say having an opinion and that opinion is that PVE only servers shouldn't be allowed, private hive or otherwise. I am entitled to that opinion and you shouldn't get so upset if someone disagrees with you.

 

YAWN! Oh of course your a PVP  :rolleyes: lol

[Etherious 907]

It goes against the whole mindset of the game if there are NO KILL servers. It is not being an ignorant brat, it is, as you say having an opinion and that opinion is that PVE only servers shouldn't be allowed, private hive or otherwise. I am entitled to that opinion and you shouldn't get so upset if someone disagrees with you.

 

YAWN! Oh of course your a PVP  :rolleyes: lol

You obviously havn't been poking around on the forums long enough to know my play style. *Yawn* Yea, of COURSE you're a PVPer yourself.  :rolleyes:

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I've seen two streamers that own servers that they set the server to reboot to a short time so they could get geared up before heading to a pop server.  If there's not a public hive...they'll just restart it when they want to gear up....so they're not technically server hopping...but they are loot hopping their server so they're fully geared to play on it....so there's nothing wrong with that? if not...  then this topic is definitely hopeless...because you're pickin' and choosing what to complain about.  There is NO difference from a public hive with a guy jumping from server to server looting than a private admin rebooting the server in short time so it spawns loot quick....same principal.

Then state that in your post or at least correct it. 

 

"So I log on a private server on off hours.....loot the crap out of it....my guy is ready to go the next time I log in......next private server......I log in on off hours....loot the crap out of it...my guy is ready to go.....next server....   on and on and on......."

[AzrailCross 48]

My personal opinion, I hope they don't allow private hives in the least to be honest. When the update comes along that introduces base building and the other feature Dean mentioned -- controlled zones I believe; server hopping will cease to function, even ghosting, if done properly.

 

Basically creating it so that if your logging off server A that's fine, log back into server A next and your right where you left off no differences made.

Log off Server A and log into Server B - you have to pick from one of the controlled zones you or your buddies have given you access to; or be slotted with one of the many fresh spawn points (since by this time, they'll be safer; not just beach target practice.) but you'll retain all your stuff.

 

In turn creating it so you can't jump to another server and just loot away, nor can you combat log and try to ghost behind a enemy position and log back in to use that advantage.

 

Simple enough fix, all the perks of a public server, and none of the BS that comes with private hives which I just have a natural disdain for - partially from the reasons others have mentioned, not really desiring to 'pick a server' and then stick to it even when it's dead since my gaming hours vary wildly, sometimes 1-2pm .. sometimes 3-4am.. sometimes 8-9am .. who the hell knows, not good fun for me if it all slides private hive, I'll end up needing characters on a dozen servers and STILL have to hope they never get perma shut down. No thank you, the potential for the game-ruining mods and even more abusive admins.. all in all pass. 

 

In exchange for the generalized private server idea, I'd much rather see Modders be given access to the database and materials to create and yes - test mods privately on unlisted servers - but they have to be approved by internal admins at Bohemia before being launched into the main listing as part of 'secondary campaign' that can host any number of servers on it's own separate 'public hive' that still has to follow guidelines to keep the experience for players a good one; if it was going to be allowed at all.

 

Never have to worry about picking a server that'll die out in a few weeks after you've gotten invested into your character and gear just to have it disappear through no fault of your own, don't have to deal with Admins that get more reign than they ever should be given under the claim it's a private hive with it's own weird rules since it's all still tightly controlled.. no chance of insane mods, no worrying about a handful of servers that decided they weren't going to update with the rest of the game for a few months and thus keeping your characters on lockdown if you update, or your updated characters on lockdown because you didn't, no chance of a single lone server owner who decides to change up the rules and style of his server without warning after you've been there ages into something you never would have been a part of.

 

it's all around more controlled and a much more likely chance of staying a stable and streamlined system without private hives.

 

Just my opinion, going to find a pillow and snooze now :P

Edited April 14, 2014 by AzrailCross

[chief86 2]

Lets be honest.  Most of the Dayz community have their panties in a wad for no reason over server hopping.  I mean yes one person can get geared rather quickly by jumping on multiple low population servers but they lose it just as quickly when they dont have the skill that matches their gear.  I read all over the place about how it ruins the game for others but does it really matter.  It shouldn't affect anyone.  And this is a game so if a person wants to do a repeated task a million times (exaggeration) then that is their business and that is how they want to play this game.  

 

To be blunt I get tired of seeing peoples opinionated posts on this forum repeatedly (such as katana; sorry not a huge fan, its my opinion) but me being upset about it doesn't change the fact that you can post.  And just because people aren't happy with a particular play style doesn't mean it shouldn't be allowed.  I mean last time I checked this is a game and people play it to have fun not to be told what they can or cannot do.  And the thing azrailcross mentioned above about when change servers you get put back at the coast is dumb as hell.  The reason is because if i cant get into the last server i played on I should still be able to continue from where I left off on the map.  My goodness the ideas that pop into peoples heads.  Everybody wants to make something so much more complicated.  Just let it be a game, a challenging yet fun game.

 

And just to be clear, I have played both ways.  I have server hopped when I was bored and nobody was on because I wanted to.  And I have also stayed on a server and looted it as much as I possibly could.  Both are fine, and as long as the server hasn't been stripped clean before I get on looting normally isn't bad either. 

 

Anyway thats my rant for tonight and it may just be my opinion but there it is.  As for the matter with public vs private hives it really doesn't matter.  They both fill a niche.  Though I dont personally see the game going far if they revert to private hives only. 

 

Edit: yes this is my second post.  I dont post often if ever but I wanted to put this out there ... on a public forum ... of a game I like ... even if most of the people that read it will end up hating on me for it.

Edited April 14, 2014 by Chief86

[AzrailCross 48]

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For what it's worth I don't hate you for the opinion, I gave mine and you gave yours. It -is- just a game and I couldn't care less in the end ... BUT ... while you think it's a stupid idea, I think it's one of the few ways to keep the game honorable and thriving. If the game reverts toward the Mod where everything is chaotic and not monitored - where people AREN'T being told what they are allowed to do to a decent extent, I know I won't be supporting it; and while that's my viewpoint I know I'm not alone. Just as I'm sure your not alone in your way of thinking about it.

 

No real changing each other's minds on it, but having seen enough games crumble - I still will be hoping they go my route, or something similar enough to keep things reigned in - otherwise I don't believe DayZ will survive all that long - for myself - and for the long run. 

 

I'd much rather be spawning on the beach (or one of the controlled zones I've set up on the server when the feature is out) when I jump servers, and stop the ghosting and server hopping in the process than have it continue, regardless of what people 'want' - it ruins the integrity of doing it the right way, no less than a hacker just popping gear in (in my eyes) or being able to teleport behind you. It's harming the balance of the game in the process. 

 

In any case, nobody should hate anyone for an opinion; regardless of their viewpoint. If someone wanted the game to be turned into a pony simulator that's on them, but no reason to get fussy, not like it'd happen.

[Karmaterror 982]

I prefer private hives, its such a different experience over the long term than the pub hive. It becomes more group warfare, think the walking dead, with different groups set up all over. Then comes the diplomacy, making and breaking pacts, sometimes on the fly when more than one group clashes. Then theres the persistence of your actions. You cant just be a complete douche one day and expect everyone to forget by the next, because you just picked a new server. You really do build a reputation with the server regulars.

 

I see the allure of the public hive, but its not for me. It promotes to much action without thought when you can just take all your stuff to a new server and be born again :)

[hombrecz 832]

I miss the private hives because:

 

1. I knew I could not be ghosted

2. I knew folks can not farm their gear on empty servers so easily

3. There usualy was whitelist, which was good against hackers

4. There might be some kind of community sticking with that particular server

[gibonez 3633]

Public hives bring forth too many problems.

 

They are also detrimental to the development of the game.

 

Alot of features cannot and will not meet their full potential due to having to deal with the constrants of a public hive , some features simply will not work as well due to the public hive such as base building.

[Wili 156]

I believe same rules of public servers must apply to private servers, loot control, etc, so you can Play in a private server without mods, then there would be another kind of Private servers with mods.

[gibonez 3633]

I believe same rules of public servers must apply to private servers, loot control, etc, so you can Play in a private server without mods, then there would be another kind of Private servers with mods.

Absolutely not the reason private hives thrive is because of people being able to custom tailor it to their needs.

What I think you are looking for is a public hive thst is has one character per server.

[Wili 156]

 

 

What I think you are looking for is a public hive thst is has one character per server. 

 

Yep That's it. I would like to see public servers with serverhopping like now and public servers without serverhopping also with one char per server, with loot management, standard rules etc.

And the third type of server would be private servers with mods.