Central Hive Poll

[elitachi 0]

Hi guys.

 

This post is basically for the devs, I dont see the point in having a central hive and believe that each server should maintain its own players, the hive, in my opinion is basically a feature that is not needed and developement time could be spent on more important things, as its not actually providing anything useful.

 

Let me know what you think.

 

L8rs

Edited April 11, 2014 by RecoilUK

[Etherious 907]

Hi guys.

 

This post is basically for the devs, I dont see the point in having a central hive and believe that each server should maintain its own players, the hive, in my opinion is basically a feature that is not needed and developement time could be spent on more important things, as its not actually providing anything useful.

 

Let me know what you think.

 

L8rs

Without a hive, no data could be saved correctly (A private hive is the same thing as a central hive)   :|

Edited April 11, 2014 by DJ SGTHornet

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Without a hive, no data could be saved.....just saying... :|

Data is saved server side  <_<

[Etherious 907]

Data is saved server side  <_<

Right, data is saved server side....to a hive (server). OT: He is saying there no need for a Central hive or a "Hive" and so each server should just maintain their own players....which essentially is a Private hive.  Saying there shouldn't be any hives would cancel out both the Public and Private hives. So, he needs to clarify more on his statement. :lol:

Edited April 11, 2014 by DJ SGTHornet

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Right, data is saved server side....to a hive (server). OT: He is saying there no need for a Central hive or a "Hive" and so each server should just maintain their own players....which essentially is a Private hive.  Saying there shouldn't be any hives would cancel out both the Public and Private hives. So, he needs to clarify more on his statement. xD

Hive is multiple servers.  Right now data is saved to the two hives that are out.  Regular and hardcore.  If data was saved server side, not hive side, then server hopping wouldn't even exist.  

[Etherious 907]

Hive is multiple servers.  Right now data is saved to the two hives that are out.  Regular and hardcore.  If data was saved server side, not hive side, then server hopping wouldn't even exist.  

A Private Hive is essentially just what your explaining though. It's pertained towards one server instance. So, one cannot just server hop from a public to a private, vice versa.

Edited April 11, 2014 by DJ SGTHornet

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

A Private Hive is essentially just what your explaining though. It's pertained towards one server instance. So, one cannot just server hop from a public to a private, vice versa.

Which is what the OP is talking about but you were saying data could not be saved without a hive which is false.  

[byrgesen 1341]

 

Hive is multiple servers.  Right now data is saved to the two hives that are out.  Regular and hardcore.  If data was saved server side, not hive side, then server hopping wouldn't even exist.  

 

You are missing the point mate.

A "HIVE" is simply a database, most likely MySQL exactly like we saw in the mod.

A public HIVE and a private HIVE is exactly the same, when you look at the way its build and maintaned, the only difference is the amount of servers connecting to the database.

That is nothing more then a name it has recieved, we can call it what ever you like, but it wont change the facts :)

 

So to clarify, nothing is saved server or client side, everything is saved on a database and when private servers comes along, it will be 1 server per database or "HIVE" as its called.

Private servers will eliminate server hopping, on those servers ofc, but it will also severely limit the players to a single server, theres pro's and con's tbh.

 

Which is what the OP is talking about but you were saying data could not be saved without a hive which is false.  

Its not false, DayZ wouldnt work without a HIVE, if they didnt reprogram the entire engine, which theres no point in doing tbh.

This game needs a database to run, simple as that, its the only thing ensuring your character is saving and its the only place information is being saved.

[Jamz 253]

Without the hive system, part of the core of DayZ would be lost. There would be no attachment to your character, no fear of death if you could just jump server to the next geared one when he dies. Also, there would be no constant underlying threat the server you're on changing into a pvp warzone without you knowing. It allows for events to be created on specific servers for any player to join with their character. It allows medic/traders/rangers etc to have a profession. The negative point to the hive system is server hopping/ghosting.

I believe private servers have a place, but it is a different experience to the hive.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

 

 

 

You are missing the point mate.

A "HIVE" is simply a database, most likely MySQL exactly like we saw in the mod.

A public HIVE and a private HIVE is exactly the same, when you look at the way its build and maintaned, the only difference is the amount of servers connecting to the database.

That is nothing more then a name it has recieved, we can call it what ever you like, but it wont change the facts :)

 

So to clarify, nothing is saved server or client side, everything is saved on a database and when private servers comes along, it will be 1 server per database or "HIVE" as its called.

Private servers will eliminate server hopping, on those servers ofc, but it will also severely limit the players to a single server, theres pro's and con's tbh.

 

Its not false, DayZ wouldnt work without a HIVE, if they didnt reprogram the entire engine, which theres no point in doing tbh.

This game needs a database to run, simple as that, its the only thing ensuring your character is saving and its the only place information is being saved.

 

How do you think large MMORPGS's do it?  Yes, you are correct, it's saved to a data base "server".  They still run off of a server

[Etherious 907]

Which is what the OP is talking about but you were saying data could not be saved without a hive which is false.  

Yes, he said central hive but then goes to just say "...own players, the hive, in my opinion is basically a feature that is not needed...". He should change it to  "the central hive", that way it's not confusing. 

[thesodesa 99]

Hi guys.

 

This post is basically for the devs, I dont see the point in having a central hive and believe that each server should maintain its own players, the hive, in my opinion is basically a feature that is not needed and developement time could be spent on more important things, as its not actually providing anything useful.

 

Let me know what you think.

 

L8rs

 

The entire game is coded so that the server is expectng there to be a hive, be it the public central one or a private one. They are not going to change the code at this point, since that would be a ridiculous amount of work. Plus, if there wasn't a central hive, your gear couldn't be saved between servers. What if the server you usually played on wasn't working, and the data of your charater was only stored on that server? You would have to start all over again on the new server, even if you didn't want to.

Edited April 11, 2014 by TheSodesa

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

The only way it could be done is if BiS ran the server themselves so I do agree with everyone about the hive system.  Private hives, while they are good because it prevents server hopping, are hard to maintain and keep a population unless you are willing to shell out a good deal of cash to advertise your server and get players interested.

[Etherious 907]

How do you think large MMORPGS's do it?  Yes, you are correct, it's saved to a data base "server".  They still run off of a server

It's the same thing but with a different name.

[Etherious 907]

The only way it could be done is if BiS ran the server themselves so I do agree with everyone about the hive system.  Private hives, while they are good because it prevents server hopping, are hard to maintain and keep a population unless you are willing to shell out a good deal of cash to advertise your server and get players interested.

Yes, they are ****ing expensive. Although that doesn't stop people from buying them. 

Edited April 11, 2014 by DJ SGTHornet

[weedmasta 784]

Hi guys.

 

This post is basically for the devs, I dont see the point in having a central hive and believe that each server should maintain its own players, the hive, in my opinion is basically a feature that is not needed and developement time could be spent on more important things, as its not actually providing anything useful.

 

Let me know what you think.

 

L8rs

 

I don't see the point in posting a thread like this, having little knowledge about how the game works and what is planned for it.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Yes, they are ****ing expensive. Although that doesn't stop people from buying them. 

Oh of course not.  Hell, I'm renting one right now and it's definitely not cheap.  And yes, people can through around the argument of "but what if the server goes down, then they have to start fresh", but I pay good money for my server and if it goes down I'll be on the phone getting it straightened out right away.  It's not like I'll be har har sucks to be you guys  :rolleyes:

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Ahhh screw it.  Take the money they made off of the SA sales and rebuild the entire engine to have one server with 1.7 million people trying to find that can of beans  :D

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Yea man we should totally like be able to cast spells'n'shit.

Don't forget we needz flying mountz

[weedmasta 784]

Don't forget we needz flying mountz

 

I want baby zombie pet that follows me around.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I want baby zombie pet that follows me around.

Dude!!!!  That would be fricking awesome and I think we just derailed this thread.  I blame it on it's late and I'm tired

[weedmasta 784]

I blame it on the OP :D

[Somestupidusername 6]

Why would anyone not want private servers? All servers in the same hive ruins the game

[thesodesa 99]

 What if the server you usually played on wasn't working, and the data of your charater was only stored on that server? You would have to start all over again on the new server, even if you didn't want to.

 

 

Why would anyone not want private servers? All servers in the same hive ruins the game

 

There's your answer, really. This is also how and why every other MMO in existence does it.

[newguyzombie 122]

kind of silly suggestion :) well done! thats exactly what i like. connecting to a high pop server, farming my gear, going to bed, looking forward to play next day geared up. next day: server not online/empty. great! farm again. thank you :*