Casuals and DayZ

[kragz 156]

The more time I spend reading these forums the more and more I find that the ideas being represented are from casuals that prefer to turn this into a co-op vs AI game. 

• Cries about KOS
• Wanting helicopters out of the game for fear of finding their bases
• Wanting less guns in the game (particularly military-grade sniper rifles)

 

These seem to be the main three and more-or-less the objection is based on (although the complainers will never actually admit) the fact that their game experience is too difficult. 

 

So in attempt to prevent the influx of casual gamers rallying to ruin what could be a great game I'm offering some pointers:

 

 

Suggestion for KOS criers - evaluate your surroundings, learn the map and know positions in which you're likely to be sniped from and act accordingly. Avoid high-traffic routes. Deal with every player with caution, scout out their equipment and behaviour patterns before you make a judgement and run up to them with direct on asking if they will be your buddy. 

 

Suggestion for those crying about Helis - you're most vulnerable when in open fields anyway, heli or not. Avoid them and you'll be fine. Campfires inside buildings = profit. The maps are HUGE even when you have a heli. pick your base position with helis in mind - don't make a base between starry and NWAF.

Edited March 5, 2014 by kragz

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

Sorry bud, I'm far from a casual and I do not want to see heli's.  There is also multiple threads about all three points you just made.  Good day.

[Demoth 366]

The more time I spend reading these forums the more and more I find that the ideas being represented are from casuals that prefer to turn this into a co-op vs AI game.

• Cries about KOS
• Wanting helicopters out of the game for fear of finding their bases
• Wanting less guns in the game (particularly military-grade sniper rifles)

These seem to be the main three and more-or-less the objection is based on (although the complainers will never actually admit) the fact that their game experience is too difficult.

So in attempt to prevent the influx of casual gamers rallying to ruin what could be a great game I'm offering some pointers:

Suggestion for KOS criers - evaluate your surroundings, learn the map and know positions in which you're likely to be sniped from and act accordingly. Avoid high-traffic routes. Deal with every player with caution, scout out their equipment and behaviour patterns before you make a judgement and run up to them with direct on asking if they will be your buddy.

Suggestion for those crying about Helis - you're most vulnerable when in open fields anyway, heli or not. Avoid them and you'll be fine. Campfires inside buildings = profit. The maps are HUGE even when you have a heli. pick your base position with helis in mind - don't make a base between starry and NWAF.

Helis make the game snowball far too hard for the people who have them, that's the problem. Unless they're easy to shoot down, its enables people who alreadt have everything to zip to any point on the map and grab gear to hoard / replace.

DayZ needs to maintain a balance between time committment rewards vs. skill rewards.

Having a large group with near infinite resources that can fast react to any spot on the map in 30 seconds will end up causing a power monopoly that will be fun for people in that group and no one else.

There were groups in the mod that apparently took everything once they had the helicopter and left everyone with the option of being SOL or switching servers.

[real meatshield 424]

As an avid KOSer, I also think helis would not be the best choice, nor do I think we need a BF4-styled arsenal to have to choose from. But if it happens, it happens. I can be happy either way. I'm certainly not going to say that including them or not including them is going to "ruin the game". What ruins it, is the incessant whining by those casuals.

 

I played vanilla WoW back in the day, and quit after wrath, because I couldn't take the ezmode anymore. There was no longer any accounting for skill; it was all dev-inspired ezmode for the masses,get em leveled capped as soon as possible so they can get their ghetto epics. Dont want to see this one dumbed down like that one was. Keep it hard, keep it painful.

[Caboose187 (DayZ) 3036]

I played vanilla WoW back in the day, and quit after wrath, because I couldn't take the ezmode anymore. There was no longer any accounting for skill; it was all dev-inspired ezmode for the masses,get em leveled capped as soon as possible so they can get their ghetto epics. Dont want to see this one dumbed down like that one was. Keep it hard, keep it painful.

But the moneys and the 13 millions players!!!!

[savini 587]

I think it's safe to say that no matter how much anyone complains or tries to fight KoS, it'll never change.

 

We don't have to worry about that.

 

As far as heli's go...I'm in favor of very few civilian models. Also, I've read a few suggestions to use the 'Take On Helicopters' mechanics for Day Z. I'd be in favor of that as well.

 

Wanting less military grade sniper rifles...Yeah I agree with that. Having people running around with thermal scoped .50 caliber sniper rifles just seems silly. Granted the setting might suggest that there are such weapons...I think hunting rifles and shotguns would be much more prevalent in a country like Chernarus.

 

Personally I'd rather see more survivalist type gear than a bunch of commandos with high end pristine military gear. That's just me though.

[kragz 156]

 

I played vanilla WoW back in the day, and quit after wrath, because I couldn't take the ezmode anymore. There was no longer any accounting for skill; it was all dev-inspired ezmode for the masses,get em leveled capped as soon as possible so they can get their ghetto epics. Dont want to see this one dumbed down like that one was. Keep it hard, keep it painful.

 

I agree with this, except for that part about Wrath. WoW became easy-mode when TBC finished.

[TheWanderingMan 170]

lock and ban

[Railsplitter84 45]

You clearly misunderstand... I'm no casual and if I wanted to play Call of Duty I would have bought it.  I want to be forced to make tough choices to survive an incredibly difficult environment.  Wild West shooter-game holds no appeal for me.  I want the difficulty of surviving the apocalypse to really be shown, including having good working weapons very hard to come by!

[real meatshield 424]

I agree with this, except for that part about Wrath. WoW became easy-mode when TBC finished.

Never said wrath brought on ezmode...said that i was fed up with it by then ;)

 

Honestly, I started to hate it when BC launched. At 60, my rogue was in the top 5 rogues on the server. My guild was one of 2 to have cleared original Naxx prior to BC and had AQ40 on farm, and everyone had the gear to prove it. Real epics.

 

A week after BC launched, my AQ/Naxx epics were replaced by trash mob greens. Never could completely wrap my head around that. Think I still have some of those 60 epics in my bank lol.

[Martmital 436]

Do people play the game non-casually?

[xRann 126]

Suggestion for those crying about Helis - you're most vulnerable when in open fields anyway, heli or not. Avoid them and you'll be fine. Campfires inside buildings = profit. The maps are HUGE even when you have a heli. pick your base position with helis in mind - don't make a base between starry and NWAF.

Not wanting to see helis, though if they do appear at least nothing armed, says nothing about my gaming habits. It does however say much about how you perceive mine. As I said in another thread, the "end game" with helis is server control and I'd rather not see that roll over from the mod into sa.

 

I personally would like this game to be brutally difficult. Starting with the environment, zombies, then players. So, generalize all you like, it doesn't make you correct in your preconceived assumptions.

[Ineedscoffee 464]

close to 300 hours, and i don't want to see heli's either. 

[cuwe 66]

You clearly misunderstand... I'm no casual and if I wanted to play Call of Duty I would have bought it.  I want to be forced to make tough choices to survive an incredibly difficult environment.  Wild West shooter-game holds no appeal for me.  I want the difficulty of surviving the apocalypse to really be shown, including having good working weapons very hard to come by!

 

This is by far and away an amazing post.  If you want to soar in the skies with rail guns and nuke every person you see, go play CoD or BF4 (and not putting those games down as i own both and play both) but what DayZ is all about, is living off the minuscule amount of creature comforts left after the ravages of apocalypse.  When I want to run and gun and have 600 rounds of ammo and shoot guys with a high powered sniper rifle, I go play the other games.  When I want the intense heart pounding thrill a minute game where you never know "what will step out from behind that house" I play DayZ.  I think honstly, there needs to be fewer military based items and more civilian types.. shotties, hunting rifles, and survivalist gear (ropes, flares, climbing gear, etc..)

 

I would agree completely with a heli or two (civilian only) or perhaps a crop duster plane etc.. but nothing with any armaments.  There is already more than enough killing power in the game, what we need now is more creative ways to stay alive and counter all the "gear whores" 

[chekovp 89]

Do people play the game non-casually?

I'm training to be #1 MLG for DayZ..!

 

In all seriousness though, how many of the people that want to see helicopters in the game, actually know how to fly one?

I'm going to guess very few to none...

[McGarnagle 94]

I want helis and I've been playing games for longer than some of you have been alive. All of this "casual" "PC Master Race" crap, if taken seriously, is called "elitism."

 

People used to be elitist about things that actually made some kind of sense, like wealth, or job-skills, or literacy and education, but now we get children arguing about true devotion to fucking video games. What a brave new world with such people in it....

 

Seriously, calling someone a casual is on par with starting a confrontation over someone wearing the wrong football jersey to school. It means you're a big, dumb meatheaded human being.

Edited March 5, 2014 by McGarnagle

[Proper Gander 45]

How many people who play this game are master bowyers, fletchers, or archers? Crafting these items are surely as difficult as flying a helicopter.

[Silentine 44]

No one is crying about KOS, KOS is normal.People are complaining that lot of players don't care about survival.They just want to kill other players before they die themselves.

[fitzee 248]

Hi.

If anything I would say it's the casuals that want helos in the game.

The casuals seem to want everything to be easier, and having a helo definitely doesn't make the game harder LoL.

Regards.

[Khad (DayZ) 293]

Even veterans don't want to see a AS50. Like in the mod, there will no way to have nice fights at the NWAF anymore ;>

[djporternz 644]

The more time I spend reading these forums the more and more I find that the ideas being represented are from casuals that prefer to turn this into a co-op vs AI game. 

• Cries about KOS
• Wanting helicopters out of the game for fear of finding their bases
• Wanting less guns in the game (particularly military-grade sniper rifles)

Can't agree less with your characterisation of the users here, sorry. I'm definately not a casual, and while I would like to see some thigs implemented to make the co-op play more interesting, I sure don't want any sort of forced TvE.

 

I could likewise decry the influx of CoD style PvPers into the game that are trying to leverage DayZ into a hardcore military PvP arena. From my perspective, that is just as damaging to the direction of development as is those that you are calling out.

 

I won't discuss your bullet points above as they have been discussed multiple times in other threads on these forums.

[djporternz 644]

Even veterans don't want to see a AS50. Like in the mod, there will no way to have nice fights at the NWAF anymore ;>

I for one don't have a problem with the AS50, per se. But the fact that they don't have anything to ligitimately target in game (i.e. mil spec vehicles/buildings, etc) means that they are not going to be used for anything except KoS from a greater distance. Put in some armoured vehicles and then I'll reconsider my objection.

[iBane 381]

Vast oversimplification of the community dynamics and a duplicate thread on numerous fronts: KOS, helicopters, weapon types, & casual vs. hardcore player

[slim_pikins 30]

It would be best if all items could be toggled on/off and all settings like gamma view distance ect server side then we could all have the game we want to play,

 

for me, sure put the toys in but make it so dam hard to get and use a chopper and/or ony 10 dmr's and 100 amo per hive or somthing like that

[iBane 381]

If you think you've got a unique perspective to offer on these issues, post about them in the numerous threads already in existence.