Death By Crowbar 1213 Posted July 2, 2014 If a bambi approaches me there's typically one reason - they're going to try to knock me out and take my gear. I've been sucker punched or a victim of an attempted knock out too many times. Proper bambi protocol is to wave from afar and allow someone armed to approach or simply keep running - because running towards me head on I'm going to assume you're looking for a quick opportunity to knock someone out and re-gear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brumey 116 Posted July 2, 2014 bambis are too easy. try shootin rabbits 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xalienax 621 Posted July 2, 2014 It's neither wrong nor right. i cant believe this is still a hot-button issue to people. its been this way since the very beginning of the mod- and its dayZ's strongest feature - NO RULES yeah. thats right. you can be a helper or a hurt-er. you can role play or you can grief. you can troll, lie, steal, bait, and meta-game. none of it is "wrong" or "right" except in one particular individual's eyes. eveyone will form tier opinion of whats okay and what isn't. just dont go expecting all the other players to give even half a crap about what you thought was right or wrong when you encounter them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captlobster 18 Posted July 2, 2014 This is so sad. For those saying don't KoS; You can play how you want. If you think it's more fun to help out other players, GO FOR IT! If you think it somehow makes you a better person to not shoot somebody in a, and let me make this clear so all of you thinking there's any meaning irl at all whatsoever understand that you're wrong, VIDEO GAME, than whoopty fucking doo. But, for you to critizise somebody else for shooting on sight because it's fun for them, or because it's how they play, makes you a huge, self rightous dick who believes their play style is superior to somebody else's that isn't in term of success (and even then, sometimes in success). Understand that some people KoS armed or unarmed players because it's fun for them, the person who paid however much money for the game, and if they want to play the way they do then they damn well have the right to. Those saying "Oh it's just pointless and it's being a troll and it's like shooting a fucking pool full of babies with an HMG" just shut the fuck up. I honestly believe that you might have the mental capacity of an 8 year old. This is a VIDEO GAME where people play it to have FUN and if it's FUN for the person KoSing, than they are PLAYING IT RIGHT. I would rather be in a room full of people who KoS on DayZ than a bunch of players who apparently "don't" (which I'm sure for some of you is total bullshit, you're just hoppin' on the good ole' hero bandwagon) KoS and brag about it saying that it's "morally wrong" to do it and it isn't how the game should be played. If there was a zombie apocalypse, do you really think people would say to themselves, "Oh man. My whole family is dying of starvation and there's a guy totally vulnerable with supplies that could save everything I love and have worked for easy to take. I have the perfect oppurtunity to take him out and take everything he has. Oh yeah, but wait, I don't shoot on sight because that's just wrong and being a troll so I should try to go talk to him and see if he's friendly and willing to spare supplies that could keep my family alive for maybe another hour or two assuming he doesn't blow me away as soon as he sees me! This is the best idea I've had yet!" No, they wouldn't say that, in fact, more than likely, they would say nothing and pop this potential threat with much needed supplies. Let's say you didn't need the suppplies. Let's pop this potential threat. Let's say he had no weapon. Let's pop this potential threat. For christ's sake can you please just man the fuck up and understand that this is a game and if you don't want to be shot without supplies than maybe you shouldn't run out in the open with the thought in your head "I'll be fine! They won't shoot me cause I don't have a weapon hurrrrrrrrr!!"So please. Stop bitching and understand that those saying it's wrong, are in fact, wrong. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Munson_fry (DayZ) 312 Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) He made this topic because he felt he had to justify it because he knows he's being an asshole to people, simple. It harms the games future, it isn't this guys fault entirely of course but everyone who behaves like this stops people buying the game and for what? "The lols"?The fuck legit reason is that.Just because you have the freedom to do something doesn't mean it's totally fine to do it, I could come burn your house down if I felt like it there is no restriction stopping me, so because there's no restriction does that mean it would be fine? Very faulty logic. If people stop playing this alpha and don't buy the full game because of bami killers and general KOSers then they've directly had a negative impact on sales. Not really, target practice and testing are totally different things, do you think he reports his findings to the devs? No he has his "target practice" for sheer selfish enjoyment, same with all of them.Target practice is building up ones skill in shooting a weapon which is completely irrelevant when they're going to be completely different in the full release, as I explained. Don't even try saying "Lol I'm just testing the guns" everyone sees through that.can u please point out the part where I said that I was gong to berezino to hunt for BAMBIS ??? where did i say that ???? and who made U the lord protector of tha lonsome bambis ????? i repeat i go to berezino, to hunt for guys that think that the city belongs to them ! and i have a ball doing that. everybody that is remotly sane would not give away his position for a silly freshspawn kill!. dont shoot on a rabbit if u want to hunt for wild boar.! btw im greatfull for berezino because after i got killed there i can have the fun of gearing up again. ( im that biggest loot whore in whole chenarus ) Edited July 2, 2014 by Munson_fry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captlobster 18 Posted July 2, 2014 He made this topic because he felt he had to justify it because he knows he's being an asshole to people, simple. It harms the games future, it isn't this guys fault entirely of course but everyone who behaves like this stops people buying the game and for what? "The lols"?The fuck legit reason is that.Just because you have the freedom to do something doesn't mean it's totally fine to do it, I could come burn your house down if I felt like it there is no restriction stopping me, so because there's no restriction does that mean it would be fine? Very faulty logic. If people stop playing this alpha and don't buy the full game because of bami killers and general KOSers then they've directly had a negative impact on sales. Not really, target practice and testing are totally different things, do you think he reports his findings to the devs? No he has his "target practice" for sheer selfish enjoyment, same with all of them.Target practice is building up ones skill in shooting a weapon which is completely irrelevant when they're going to be completely different in the full release, as I explained. Don't even try saying "Lol I'm just testing the guns" everyone sees through that.Also, you are the stupidest, most illogical, self rightous fuck who has been KoS'd too many times for his wee little brain to withstand because his little prefrontal cortex can't make good decisions so he runs into the open and gets slaughtered like the little bitch he is. "I can go and burn your house down if I felt like it with no restriction stopping me." I legitimately face palmed and laughed for 5 minutes over the sheer idiocy from that statement. You have restrictions; How about law enforcement? How about the citizenship you have that has restricted you to ignore said impulses? Also, if you think people won't buy the game because they die in a PVP Focused (at this point, that's what it is) video game than I really hope you go back to Minecraft and bitch about zombies killing you when they could just learn to farm. Target practicing weapons and conducting expierements with a weapon IS testing you fucking idiot. He doesn't report his findings to the dev, he is testing it for himself and to tell the rest of the community. He didn't make this topic to give himself closure for being an "asshole," he made it to show you and people like you that what he does and others do like him have reasons to do so! Maybe you shouldn't be such a prick and think that you're some kind of physcological expert and make yourself look like the stuck up pussy that you are. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemonkid 493 Posted July 2, 2014 Also, you are the stupidest, most illogical, self rightous fuck who has been KoS'd too many times for his wee little brain to withstand because his little prefrontal cortex can't make good decisions so he runs into the open and gets slaughtered like the little bitch he is. "I can go and burn your house down if I felt like it with no restriction stopping me." I legitimately face palmed and laughed for 5 minutes over the sheer idiocy from that statement. You have restrictions; How about law enforcement? How about the citizenship you have that has restricted you to ignore said impulses? Also, if you think people won't buy the game because they die in a PVP Focused (at this point, that's what it is) video game than I really hope you go back to Minecraft and bitch about zombies killing you when they could just learn to farm. Target practicing weapons and conducting expierements with a weapon IS testing you fucking idiot. He doesn't report his findings to the dev, he is testing it for himself and to tell the rest of the community. He didn't make this topic to give himself closure for being an "asshole," he made it to show you and people like you that what he does and others do like him have reasons to do so! Maybe you shouldn't be such a prick and think that you're some kind of physcological expert and make yourself look like the stuck up pussy that you are.Owned. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captlobster 18 Posted July 2, 2014 Oh and another thing;If you think, "Well, sure CaptLobster has a point, but so do I! Me getting KoS'd is not very fun for me and makes me angry! How is it fair to me for you to do that?"Holy mother of mary please speak up through to your elders and strike me down with no mercy upon my evil sinning soul!That is about the worst possible (and I've seen it used, even in this thread) point you could make. It is actually 100% fair despite your tears of anger and frustrated composure. You made the decisions you did to end up in my cross hairs. Maybe you should have used cover more efficiently or entered a different town that's not totally reknowned for KoS bandits and consistent action? It's also not the person who killed you's fault that you got angry and frustrated over a video game. Maybe you should man up and realise it doesn't actually ruin your irl life, as pathetic as it most likely is!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UltimateGentleman 355 Posted July 2, 2014 Uhm that's very faulty logic right there. Because people are getting killed in a game with PvP is going to prevent future sales? I really love your giant logical leaps. No one in who gets killed is gonna be "Welp dis gayme suxs tyme to tell evry1 dat it suxs n nawt to bai eet."Like really? Um have you even seen how many people already hate it because most of the people are assholes? There's already tons of people who won't buy it because of pricks that KOS everything instantly instead of letting them enjoy the game.I never said PvP at all would harm the sales but killing fresh spawns does. Did you never see the rage over games like CoD when spawn camping was possible? They had to rework it in the next games because people complained so much. Same thing.If that doesn't make sense to anyone there's not much point in me trying to explain. can u please point out the part where I said that I was gong to berezino to hunt for BAMBIS ??? where did i say that ???? i repeat i go to berezino, to hunt for guys that think that the city belongs to them ! and i have a ball doing that. everybody that is remotly sane would not give away his position for a silly freshspawn kill!. At what point did I say only you and only you were going to do that? You must not have went to Berenzino as a fresh spawn then on a high pop server it's a very rare event that someone isn't on the hospital or a rooftop with a buddy watching their back killing everyone. I've stood right behind people as they've done it(by themselves) multiple times, not thinking to look behind them because the only thing of importance is killing other players which is just stupid. Yes people, we have FREEDOM in this game! :lol: And what do the people do with it?Treat it like every other shitty game with guns. I'm probably right in concluding most of you play this because it's hardcore, not some shitty "casual" game. Well why the fuck do you play it like it's a casual game then? Might as well be Grand Theft Auto or Red Dead Redemption online, play one of those and the only difference you'll find is the land scape, play style diversity is virtually identical. Maybe DayZ is a "hardcore" game.But you play it like casuals while hating on casuals and it's absolutely hilarious. They play killing games to kill people you play a game with an extreme amount of freedom...to just kill people, hardcore?It's beyond a joke. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemonkid 493 Posted July 2, 2014 Um have you even seen how many people already hate it because most of the people are assholes? There's already tons of people who won't buy it because of pricks that KOS everything instantly instead of letting them enjoy the game.I never said PvP at all would harm the sales but killing fresh spawns does. Did you never see the rage over games like CoD when spawn camping was possible? They had to rework it in the next games because people complained so much. Same thing.If that doesn't make sense to anyone there's not much point in me trying to explain. DayZ is a PvP sandbox game dude. I'm not sure what the fuck you don't understand about that. "But I just want to look at the flowers" well you can damn well look at the flowers in a location you have locked down and can ensure your safety. Lawlessness in the wasteland, trust no one ect ad infinitum. Everything you do is dictated by the choices you make and the steps you take to ensure your own survival. Want to explore? Better be cautious and pick you route wisely. What don't you get about this? You want a game where it's just zombies? Players have to flag them selves for PvP before they can be attacked by another player? My god. You have no fucking clue what DayZ is supposed to be about, just leave now before more decision decisions that promote PvP make your ass sore, because you're going to get a pounding by the end of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UltimateGentleman 355 Posted July 2, 2014 My god. You have no fucking clue what DayZ is supposed to be about, just leave now before more decision decisions that promote PvP make your ass sore, because you're going to get a pounding by the end of this.Survival. Not PvP.There is PvP but it's not a PvP game. Sometimes PvP is necessary for survival but it's not a PvP game. Just because you play it as a PvP game doesn't mean it is, it's an MMO horror survival game it has never ever been stated to be PvP centric. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemonkid 493 Posted July 2, 2014 Survival. Not PvP.There is PvP but it's not a PvP game. Sometimes PvP is necessary for survival but it's not a PvP game. Just because you play it as a PvP game doesn't mean it is, it's an MMO horror survival game it has never ever been stated to be PvP centric.You're incredibly fucking dense if you honestly believe that. What does handcuffs have to do with survival? What does making the option to drink disinfectant spray have to do with survival, putting burlap sacks over people's head. Go back to the mainpage for DayZmod. Look at the steps. Step 1: Gather food and weapons. Step 2:Slay zombies or bandits. Step 3: Survive. Hrmm, it would seem it has a large focus on PvP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UltimateGentleman 355 Posted July 2, 2014 You're incredibly fucking dense if you honestly believe that. What does handcuffs have to do with survival? What does making the option to drink disinfectant spray have to do with survival, putting burlap sacks over people's head. Go back to the mainpage for DayZmod. Look at the steps. Step 1: Gather food and weapons. Step 2:Slay zombies or bandits. Step 3: Survive. Hrmm, it would seem it has a large focus on PvP. The option to drink disinfectant is just an authentic option. Can you drink disinfectant? Just because there are some things related to PvP doesn't mean it's a PvP game.They're adding vehicles soon, will that make it a racing game? It doesn't have a focus on PvP that's just a guideline because people act as bandits are you stupid or something? How about looking at practically every info site, Wikipedia for instance. It's an MMO survival horror that's the official genre. Oh look, it even says "survival" Sometimes you need to survive other players. But picture this, nobody fights each other ever which is entirely possible as nothing forces PvP.Is it still a PvP game?Your logic is full of holes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemonkid 493 Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) The option to drink disinfectant is just an authentic option. Can you drink disinfectant? Just because there are some things related to PvP doesn't mean it's a PvP game.They're adding vehicles soon, will that make it a racing game? It doesn't have a focus on PvP that's just a guideline because people act as bandits are you stupid or something? How about looking at practically every info site, Wikipedia for instance. It's an MMO survival horror that's the official genre. Oh look, it even says "survival" Sometimes you need to survive other players. But picture this, nobody fights each other ever which is entirely possible as nothing forces PvP.Is it still a PvP game?Your logic is full of holes.Is there anything arbitrarily preventing me from killing them? No? PvP game.Also, where is your justification for handcuffs and the burlap sack?And yes, with the introduction of cars, it will be a racing game also, if one so chooses to use the cars to race with.. huurr duuur. That's a how a sandbox works. Edited July 2, 2014 by Daemonkid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krawallkurt 118 Posted July 2, 2014 The ones who saw the Joy in a Bambies eyes when you gave em a Canopener instead of shooting him will never KOS again..... :lol: ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sloasdaylight 129 Posted July 2, 2014 The ones who saw the Joy in a Bambies eyes when you gave em a Canopener instead of shooting him will never KOS again..... :lol: ;)That's cute. I give bambis can openers/compasses and directions and then shoot them when they run off. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captlobster 18 Posted July 3, 2014 Ultimate Gentleman.I honestly hope, with all my heart and soul if there is one, that your computer gets struck by lightning. You are by far, the worst self sympithzing prick I've ever seen in my entire life, ever. I can say right now, with a pretty damn close percentage to a garuntee, that you are constantly shot on sight as a fresh spawn because you fucking suck at this game and you make terrible choices. If there's a real zombie apocalypse, you're the first kind to go. Now, you say everyone has "bad logic," or "holes in their logic." Wanna hear solid logic? Get ready, because I am trained and have taken classes in arguing and I think I'm quite good at dealing with self rightous idiots who always think they're right like yourself. Your view is not the ultimatum. Your view is worthless like mine. However, I actually have reason, logic, and ethics. All you have is some pathos bull shit.So I hope you're ready. This game is heavily focused on PVP. There isn't much to do in the game besides looting, so interaction with other players is inevitable. Now you could be friendly, but that's pretty boring as well considering you get nothing physically out of it and it's actually quite boring. Or, you could shoot this guy and get the adrenaline rush that comes with all his gear. There are guns in this game, and players who can use said guns. In history, mankind has always slaughtered each other. Are you saying now that they have even more reason to do so that they shouldn't?You say that killing fresh spawns in wrong. Why is it wrong? You say it's wrong because it will hurt sales.By far, you couldn't have made a more terrible point. Have you seen the best selling game on steam for a period of like 2 weeks? That was DayZ SA. Wow man, it really did hurt sales right? It hurt it so much that was the best selling game on all of steam! Boy you sure did make a good point there! Another reason you use is that the game is focused on survival. Guess what killing people if for?...SURVIVING. "But CaptLobster, you don't get anything out of killing a freshie!" Yes, you do. There are more requirements to surviving than food and water irl. Sanity is a huge factor, and if killing another person helps keeps you sane, than hell you're surviving! It also eliminates a potential threat. Say that fresh spawn went a looted a gun and then shot you? Well he can't if he's dead!This is a pvp focused game. There's an infinite amount of supplies with zombies barely being a threat. Try to argue with my argument and I'll make you look even more stupid (if it's possible) than you already look. I also noticed you didn't argue with my posts earlier, knowing they were far superior to your own. So how about you shut up, and stop being mad and making false points about KoSing new spawns because that's what happens to poor old baby boy Gentleman. Man the fuck up and get some skill at the game. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RosscoMac 75 Posted July 3, 2014 I'm curious CaptLobster... Are you always such a complete and utter dick in everyday life as well or only from the safety of your keyboard? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captlobster 18 Posted July 3, 2014 I'm curious CaptLobster... Are you always such a complete and utter dick in everyday life as well or only from the safety of your keyboard?I'm only a dick to the deserving. If he thinks his play style is superior to mine because he's a pansy, I am totally entitled to be a dick if I want to.So I'm curious Rossco... Are you always such a hypocrite in everyday life as well or only from the safety of your keyboard? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alsmir 255 Posted July 3, 2014 I'm only a dick to the deserving. If he thinks his play style is superior to mine because he's a pansy, I am totally entitled to be a dick if I want to.So I'm curious Rossco... Are you always such a hypocrite in everyday life as well or only from the safety of your keyboard? You have all my beans, kind sir.I just use ignore function when dealing with people like Ultimate Gentleman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daemonkid 493 Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) I'm honestly surprised that Gentleman hasn't reported Lobster. Lewl, his feelings must be hurt really badly if he's refraining from posting again.Well, we dealt with an idiot using logical fallacies, I tried to keep it a bit more... civil but capt went straight for the throat and it worked. Edited July 3, 2014 by Daemonkid 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UltimateGentleman 355 Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) I'm honestly surprised that Gentleman hasn't reported Lobster. Lewl, his feelings must be hurt really badly if he's refraining from posting again.Well, we dealt with an idiot using logical fallacies, I tried to keep it a bit more... civil but capt went straight for the throat and it worked. It's called sleep bro he posted that at 6:40AM where I live, get your head out your ass. I'm not threatened by some 12 year old on the internet spouting insults. Is there anything arbitrarily preventing me from killing them? No? PvP game.Also, where is your justification for handcuffs and the burlap sack?And yes, with the introduction of cars, it will be a racing game also, if one so chooses to use the cars to race with.. huurr duuur. That's a how a sandbox works.No it isn't. It just isn't, every game with one element of something doesn't make it that genre of game shit like CoD has moments where you work out puzzles or drive, are they puzzle and driving games? Fuck no. Sandbox means you have freedom to do whatever you want but that doesn't mean it's decent to spoil other peoples fun, at least have some kind of etiquette instead of just being a gun toting moron. -snip-I actually don't, I've only been killed by people maybe 10 times and like 3 of those were because as a fresh spawn I kept attacking the same guy who shot me to annoy him since I spawned in Berenzino where he was those 3 times. I just recognize that it bothers A LOT of people. I'm wrong because I give a shit that people ruin it for others? Well fuck you too. Funny that you say I only care about myself getting shot when it's you guys who just want to shoot everyone for your own enjoyment even if that means being an asshole. Lol arguing classes? You should keep going bro, endless insults and "I don't like you" statements is not an argument you must be like 12.And for your information I'm a great shot and have no qualms with killing people or zombies I honestly hope a zombie apocalypse happens before I'm too old to be effective, it would be interesting.So let me get this straight I would be the first to go because my first call of action wouldn't be to just murder everyone? Lol that's so fucking stupid, it's not smart to get a group and fight them off?Seriously, who in a zombie apocalypse would act like the majority of DayZ players? That's just too funny. Shooting people would be a necessity in some cases.Freaking nobody but the most broken people would sit on a roof like "There's a cool jacket in that house I AM GOING TO SHOOT EVERYONE THAT GOES NEAR IT!" But yeah, keep kidding yourself that KOS is the smart playstyle for a zombie apocalypse because in fact you'd be one of the first to go thinking by yourself you're going to take on 30 running zombies.Argument classes...priceless. Also In history, mankind has always slaughtered each other. Are you saying now that they have even more reason to do so that they shouldn't? Yes because in DayZ there could be only like 100 people left in the whole world, explain how it's smart for them all to kill each other.They have less of a reason to kill each other...how can you not get that. Edited July 3, 2014 by UltimateGentleman 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kakysas666 191 Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) There are very little freshies who deserve a chance to live and explore, because they are clearly newbies. But most of them (like 99 percent) are just shitters who loot a gun and then go back to berezino deathmatch. I met one guy who was heading all the way to balota to then go back to berezino. I didn't kill him just because I have a shitty amphibia at a time so I played friendly. Otherwise, once a person says a word about Berezino, he is an instant shitter to me and deserves broken legs in a forest. I laugh at people who cry because they were shot at by some geared dude when they had none. As if having no gear gives you some kind of immunity? Haha. Those same assholes are always backstabbers and 15 year olds who, again, always are shitters. Edited July 3, 2014 by MaxRain Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captlobster 18 Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) No point in arguing. He just made a bunch of false points."I've only been killed maybe 10 times." Than you obviously haven't been playing the game long enough (this is including the mod, because they have the same dilema) to have any real opinion on it; Because KoS used to be MUCH worse than it is now, and the fact that people still complain makes me sick. Also, you are wrong logically and ethicly that people die as a fresh spawn. As I said, all you have is pathos bull shit. I also never stated that you cared only about yourself getting shot, but that is why you're making such a big argument that you simply just can't lose in your eyes. Also, I'm 22 and I insulted you because I felt that I wanted to, but that doesn't mean my argument was void you tunnel visioned cunt. Also, if you really hope a zombie apocalypse comes to dawn, you're the 12 year old here. Also, I doubt you're a great shot. Being a great shot requires a lot of math, and looking at the way you argue makes me think you're young and immature. I'm currently in Scout Sniper School for the United States Marine Corp, so I think I can tell you from first hand expierence that it's different shooting at a target that can't shoot/harm you back than one who can. Also, you said "It's not smart to get a group and fight them off?" Them being either humans or infected, it's a very stupid statement because; A: There is an overwhelming amount of infected, you will perish regardless due to lack of supplies/treachery among the group/infected aggression to the density of said group. B: You fight off other healthy humans which in case makes you a hypocrite. "Who would act like a DayZ player in a real zombie apocalypse?" One who plays the game smart. I'd preform the way I do should I be forced to endure such a terrible issue and not be on-duty in the Marines. Also, people would definitley sit on a roof and shoot other people who came close to their potential supplies. I know that's what I'd be doing at a late stage apocalypse. Sit on a roof all day while reinforcing my position somewhere and look for the enemy with mile-high tape over my scope in making sure I don't sky-line with a 2x2 loop hole to shoot out of when I do constantly scanning the area for potential supplies and threats, eliminating the latter from a safe distance and not collect his/her supplies until I believe the time is right. Maybe bring a friend of mine and teach them how to spot so I can pick off multiple targets faster. When did I say I could take on 30 zombies? Never. However KoSing is a much better chance of surviving than welcoming in potential enemies/weak links. There are less people, but guess what? People don't give a shit! People have primal instinct which is to survive, and to survive is to get supplies in our now limited pool of food, fresh water and shelter. People have MUCH more reason to kill than to not.This is my last post here, because honestly if you disagree with these points, you are either extremely smart and thoughtfull (Which I doubt highly looking at your posts) or just an idiot who will disagree with somebody who is trained in shooting Sniper Rifles, Assault Rifles, Hand guns, Personal Defense weapons, Carbine Rifles, Explosives, Survival Techniques, Combat training, Trapping, Pathfinding, Scouting, Tracking, Hand to Hand Combat, and has been trained in training scenarios of actual combat, among other knowledge on either of those subjects I have picked up from personal expierence. Edited July 3, 2014 by CaptLobster Share this post Link to post Share on other sites