Weapon Balance vs "Realism"

[AryanBoogeyman 185]

Have to agree with the notion of realism.

 

Dispersion is too gimmicky and gamey IMO.

 

Give us accurate ballistics and weapon handling please Rocket.

 

Character ability on the other hand could and should vary widely.

 

A passive hidden skill tree that only makes you better through successful repetition would be amazing.

 

 

Edited February 13, 2014 by AryanBoogeyman

[Jaggid 0]

If I was a few hundred yards away from a shooter, I would much prefer them shooting at me with an assault weapon over a hunting rifle.  I have seen what a 7mm rifle does to an elk internally, it isn't pretty.

[b0bhasb1tcht1ts 0]

Maybe useless is a overstatement, allow me moderate myself. Adding 400grams(bipod) of weight to the end of the barrel will greatly reduce your ability to accurately deliver rounds on targets from any position in which the bipod is not in use.

 

As for the flashlight point, it was a point in the direction that why would anyone have a bipod AND a flashlight at the same time? Why would you have a bipod AND a bayonet ? Are you hoping someone will run into your stationary position effectively impaling himself on the bayonet? Usually less is more in a combat situation. Dragging along a M4 kitted out with anything you can fit on it would just make it bad at everything.

 

For the scope. Did I say impossible, no I said harder with the mentioned stance in mind. And why do you ask me why everyone else has optics on their AR's. Shouldnt you be asking them that? As for why the army has transitioned to mostly scoped M4's, it is in my opinion just an effect of them realizing that the warfare they experience today isnt what the M4 was designed to deal with.

 

Read my above post/link about M4's incapacitating abilities.

 

Have I shot a firearm? Yes.

Ha I definitely went overboard too...

 

I run a 500g bipod on my AR and it really doesn't hinder me at all. I don't know about other people but I utilize my bipod much like someone would use a vertical hand grip. So one can actually use it to help increase their stability when firing from a standing position. No it's not one of those vertical grips with integrated bipods. (those things are ugly as sin)

 

I agree. Running a bipod and bayonet is stupid, but i wouldn't see the harm in running a bipod and weapon light together (unless it was say a dedicated sniper/hunting rifle) It makes sense to have a light on an AR as a home defense firearm even if you have a bipod or say it's the apocalypse and have to clear a building at night. I don't think you would take one off just because you put the other on. I wouldn't do the bayonet though... so old. 

 

Yes, you didn't say impossible. Sorry... I wouldn't say a scope is makes it harder to hit a target at distance, especially when your other option is using iron sights. Obviously it's easier to make the shot from prone or even crouched, but one would definitely have a way higher chance hitting a distant target with a scope. Of course there's going to be gun sway, but not so bad that you couldn't make a shot and hit the target.

 

Thanks for the source! A very interesting read. I still have doubts as to the inadequacy of the 5.56/.223. I've seen some really nasty exit wounds on yotes. I know... coyotes aren't people, but I really don't see there being much of a difference in wounds when you shoot a person from the same distance

 

I would really like to at least see the M4 in the game be able to hit someone at 100m of course not at full auto, but if my girlfriend can shoot a water bottle constantly from 50m with minimal experience (i know half the distance, but i'm confident she'd hit a silhouette at 100m) than I'm sure this "Average Joe" in game could do it...

 

Back to the thread

I'd like to see increased gun sway, a more accurate M4 depending on fire-type not Magpul forend and stock (it'd be nice to be able to zero optics too), and not coming to an almost complete stop when running up hills especially since the hills don't seem too affect zombies. I know it's still in Alpha so I can't wait to see the finished product.

[sabaka (DayZ) 70]

If I was a few hundred yards away from a shooter, I would much prefer them shooting at me with an assault weapon over a hunting rifle.  I have seen what a 7mm rifle does to an elk internally, it isn't pretty.

 

I just have a hard time buying that. If I were 200-300 hundred yards away from a clone of me who had access to my M4 or my Remington 700 (a modern bolt action rifle with a "pristine" scope) I would much rather he have the R700. Assuming that someone sprinting full speed is hard to hit your chances are just so much better against 5 shots coming a couple seconds apart followed by either single shots with moderate gaps or 5 more shots after a long gap than against 30 shots as fast as he'd like followed by a 2 second mag change and 30 shots as fast as he'd like etc. Plus if there are any line of sight issues the bolt gun with the bipod and scope is really obnoxious to use standing so he'd have to reposition and lie down again if you could get a tree or shed or anything in between the two of you. The M4 shooter just needs to step and then stop and he's good. He could even shoot while moving if he wanted.

 

Sure you'd rather he hit you with 5.56 once than 7.62 once but after you get hit with 5.56 once you're going to get hit a lot more because being shot will affect your mobility. The M4 shooter could just sweep across you and once he hits you once and you stumble he can just blast you 5 more times in a second or two.

 

Also if that 5.56 hit is a direct center of mass hit then once is all it takes, which the game seems to fail to take into account.

[gibonez 3633]

taken from wiki:

 

The sniper version of the Mosin-Nagant rifle was used before, during, and after World War II

 

The second version of the Mosin-Nagant sniper rifle, known as the PU, began production late in 1942. This rifle included a simpler scope design, which was incorporated from the short-lived SVT-40, and was far easier to mass-produce. To this day, it remains the most widely produced and longest serving sniper rifle in the world

 

Yes back in Ww2 perhaps and even then weapon technology has advanced tenfold so has ammo development.

 

You will never I repeat never find a stock mosin nagant using surplus military ammo that is more accurate than any new m4.