Why is the Mosin using the wrong ammo?

[fortyeight 24]

I couldn't find anything on the search function of this, but why does the Mosin chamber 7.62x51??

 

7.62x51 is a NATO round, more commonly known as .308 Winchester. This round is chambered in a lot of civilian hunting rifles, the 240 and M60 machine guns, H&K G3's, and the M14 rifle. This round is not the round that the Mosin Nagant chambers though. The Mosin uses a 7.62x54R round. So, why do they keep having my chamber NATO rounds in my mosin??

 

For comparison:

 

[Capo 323]

ya. i'd like this fixed please. 

[terminal_boy 860]

Placeholder description until other guns and ammunition get added.

[knifeparty 109]

I didn't notice this. where does it say this?

 

edit: ahhhh

Edited January 30, 2014 by wolf-mind

[Basicbilly 2]

7.62x51 and .308 Winchester are not quite the same, but I agree, the mosin ammo boxes in the game used to be labeled just 7.62, but for some reason they re-labeled them 7.62x51. Once you empty the box they are still labeled 7.62.

[Leo Balzac 190]

Maybe they've all been converted to fire the 7.62x51. I've owned one such conversion before in real life. Sold it for 2 crates of Czech surplus 54R.

I'm more concerned about why the mosin stocks aren't in a red laquer, why they are all Hexagonal receivers (more were made with the round receiver) and why for the love of god, the firing pin is always in the discharged position. I thought this game was supposed to be Hardcore!!!! 1! 1!!1111?

</sarcasm>

[deus_drone 98]

I am going to love the day when you have to find the exactly right 7.62mm ammo, this not only will make the game harder but might teach people a thing or three about guns :)

 

+1million

[weedmasta 784]

ya. i'd like this fixed please. 

 

Yes fix it immediately, clearly it is gamebreaking.  :rolleyes:

[knifeparty 109]

This is a picture of what's behind me right this very second... 

 

who doesn't like a little gun pron

Edited January 30, 2014 by wolf-mind

[hellcat420 212]

I couldn't find anything on the search function of this, but why does the Mosin chamber 7.62x51??

 

7.62x51 is a NATO round, more commonly known as .308 Winchester. This round is chambered in a lot of civilian hunting rifles, the 240 and M60 machine guns, H&K G3's, and the M14 rifle. This round is not the round that the Mosin Nagant chambers though. The Mosin uses a 7.62x54R round. So, why do they keep having my chamber NATO rounds in my mosin??

 

For comparison:

 

i have a ww2 era mosin, and some original production ammo stashed away, none of these rounds even slightly resemble the ammunition for it. i also have a g-3(well a civilian version built to military specs), and the g-3 fires .308 nato, not .308 winchester, there is a difference between the two(the .308 winchester have roughly .0001 longer cases which is more than enough to make a difference). if you fire .308 winchester in a g-3 you will split the cases and if you have steel cased ammo you can screw up the firearm.

 

 

well i dont have "original" production ammo, its ww2 production ammo sealed in a "sardine can"

Edited January 30, 2014 by hellcat420

[knifeparty 109]

yeah, most shot 7.62x54R, then there were 7.62x53 (Finish), 7.62x57 (mauser), and the old, ugly ass 8x50

 

all the links go to wikipedia for the individual cartridges history, etc..

 

I'm not sure if there were others, but that is the lions share of them at least...

 

Mosin's are rad.

 

That is all.

Edited January 30, 2014 by wolf-mind

[fortyeight 24]

There is a DEBATE as to whether .308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO are incompatible. The only difference is that .308 Win has a HIGHER chamber pressure than 7.62 NATO. This is the same debate as to whether 5.56 and .223 Remington are compatible. The G-3 may be the exception, but most modern firearms are compatible with both. I simply put .308 Winchester as a familiar civilian round. Look man, a ten-thousandth of an inch difference is not going to destroy your rifle. That is well below the tolerances of the rifle and EXTREMELY below the tolerances of reloading ammunition. Go price check a ten-thousandth of an inch micrometer for me please. The real issue is the fact that older surplus firearms were specifically designed for the lower chamber pressure and CAN be damaged by firing a .308. This is an off-topic mute point though.

 

I own a Mosin manufactured in 1942 and the 54R round pictured is definitely what it chambers.

 

Okay thanks for the actual responses. I was just curious to know if the Dev's google'd something and inserted the wrong description or something.

[weedmasta 784]

This is a picture of what's behind me right this very second... 

 

who doesn't like a little gun pron

 

It isn't gun porn unless breast implants are involved.

[Deity 54]

Idk how many times I've posted this but I'll be short

 

1. 308 =/= NATO 7.62

2. Mosin can fire the NATO but it's not recommended

3. It's like how a .357 can shoot a .38 specials

4. Firing a 308 out of NATO 7.62 gun isn't something I would do.

[terminal_boy 860]

Idk how many times I've posted this but I'll be short

 

4. Firing a 308 out of NATO 7.62 gun isn't something I would do.

Indeed, too many pictures of blown M1As to make that a good idea.

5.56 NATO round in a .223 Remington is equally prone to bad things happening as some .223 barrels have a tighter and shorter throat which isn't a good idea considering the standard US 5.56 NATO Ball round has considerably higher chamber pressure.

[hellcat420 212]

There is a DEBATE as to whether .308 Winchester and 7.62 NATO are incompatible. The only difference is that .308 Win has a HIGHER chamber pressure than 7.62 NATO. This is the same debate as to whether 5.56 and .223 Remington are compatible. The G-3 may be the exception, but most modern firearms are compatible with both. I simply put .308 Winchester as a familiar civilian round. Look man, a ten-thousandth of an inch difference is not going to destroy your rifle. That is well below the tolerances of the rifle and EXTREMELY below the tolerances of reloading ammunition. Go price check a ten-thousandth of an inch micrometer for me please. The real issue is the fact that older surplus firearms were specifically designed for the lower chamber pressure and CAN be damaged by firing a .308. This is an off-topic mute point though.

 

I own a Mosin manufactured in 1942 and the 54R round pictured is definitely what it chambers.

 

Okay thanks for the actual responses. I was just curious to know if the Dev's google'd something and inserted the wrong description or something.

the .308 winchester has a longer case than a .308 nato. roughly .0001 longer. it is very tough to tell by eye but it does make a difference. i know this because of 2 reasons. #1 the sizes are listed in reloading manuals, and #2 i have measured the cases from a .308 nato and a .308 winchester with a micrometer and seen the difference with my own eyes. i have also shot both out of my g-3 for testing purposes and teh g-3 splits the cases of the .308 winchester, which means the cases are too long for the firearm, while the .308 nato fire just fine with no damage to teh cases whatsoever.

 

 

edit: i could have them reversed, its been about a decade since i measured the two different .308 rounds. i do know for a fact that the cases of .308 winchester get split in the g-3 while the .308 nato are fine.

Edited January 31, 2014 by hellcat420

[knifeparty 109]

Idk how many times I've posted this but I'll be short

 

1. 308 =/= NATO 7.62

2. Mosin can fire the NATO but it's not recommended

3. It's like how a .357 can shoot a .38 specials

4. Firing a 308 out of NATO 7.62 gun isn't something I would do.

 

With the extra headspace, I'm not sure if it'd fire. You'd probably have to really adjust the firing pin forward a lot. If it did fire, you'd probably wreck the brass and perhaps eventually your firing pin, although.........

 

The mosin's can take a pretty serious beating though. Here is a link to a Mosin-Nagant torture test. Aside from making me shed a tear at the loss of such a cool gun, it was pretty neat to see them go to town on this thing. They physically beat it, then continually hot load it, until it folds.

 

The torture test link

[Guest]

For how realistic this game is trying to be, which is a big part of its allure for me and those I play with, it is sad to see generic ammunition like this. The M91/30 and SKS should NOT be able to share ammunition. There should be 7.62x54mmR, 7.62x39mm, and 7.62x51mm NATO (and/or .308, depending on what future firearms will be released).

[Loafy 46]

Never really noticed...and didn't/don't really care what the gun shoots. I'm sure they have tons of small things to fix or change.