The most common 'cheat' used in DayZ...

[crazywolf5150 17]

I too use it all the time.

Although your example is a prime example of how an external program assisted you and your team far above how the games internal communication system was intended.

The problem with that is my teammates wouldn't have heard me from that distance. I was at the top of the air traffic control tower in a sniping position and they were pretty far. Plus, if I were to talk in game it could give away my position to other hostile players. I've also found teamspeak very useful for meeting up with fellow clan members who were far away, otherwise it would be damn near impossible.

[korpisoturi (DayZ) 127]

So many moderators posting in middle of the night

[Fabik 71]

Topic was obviously started by someone who just now found out about dayz. Dayz has some of the most intense squad vs squad combat and in noway is ts cheating as for the meta game telapathy bull crap just think of ts as a squad radio .And go get some friends enough hearing about the lonewolf players whining because they start something with 10 dudes and then get pwned.

 

Nope. Played the mod for a long time. Summer 2012 if I remember correctly. ;)

 

Squad vs squad fighting is NOT what makes (should make?) DayZ unique.

[Funkmasterflex 12]

I honestly dont understand the problem here and let me explain just a little bit why.

As for the roleplaying part, as a true rpger you would not stop roleplaying if something like meeting an organized group happened, you would include it as a part of your roleplay. Just imagine they are a military squad that was in Cernarus for that time gone rogue. Maybe they havent even gone rogue, they just fell back to basic training when shit came down on all of your heads. So its your choice, try to talk your way out, maybe theyre decent guy, maybe you can join their group, maybe they give you access to their teamspeak. And even that you could roleplay properly, imagine they had radios, and after you proved trustful the gave you one of theirs. NO problem here, honestly spoken.

 

And you have to accept the simple fact that gaming is a matter some people do alone and alot of people do with friends because we like to socialise in  different ways as we all are different.

 

Just my 2 cents

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

So if you play next to another person i suppose you'll have to face each other with headphones on and remain silent at all times?

 

Hey, people alt tab and use the online maps with loot locations aswel. Should lock their computers on DayZ whilst its open to stop people from doing that.

People have to shit too, stop them from having a crap, its not ingame, and EMAILS. Dont you dare check those emails you normal f#ck.  Oh god, think of the complete loss of reality when Joe Bloggs tabs out in a bush to answer his mobile phone.

 

THE HUMANITY!

Thing is you can make loot maps irrelevant, i'm just not sure that the DayZ team want to go that route.

[Blaaaaaaag 75]

I think good way to prevent using any 3rd party VoIP would be making ingame VoIP always active. Then whenever you start talking in TS3, Skype, or anything else, your character will start talking ingame, and if anyone is near your location...

 

Still won't work. I'd just unplug my mic from my tower, and plug it into my laptop. Or use my phone. There is no way at all to prevent people from using TS, even if that did for some reason seem like a good idea. (it doesn't.)

[DeatHTaX 1217]

I mean ruining the game experience for oneself doesn't really constitute "cheating" in this instance, if you ask me. If someone wants to use teamspeak and ruin an awesome, thrilling, adrenaline shooting game experience for themselves, go ahead. I mean, It's not like i'm going to know when someone takes advantage of it in game, and like they say, ignorance is bliss xD

[BL1P 252]

Still won't work. I'd just unplug my mic from my tower, and plug it into my laptop. Or use my phone. There is no way at all to prevent people from using TS, even if that did for some reason seem like a good idea. (it doesn't.)

So you would basically always be unfriendly ?

 

Alot of people seem to be missing why TS etc are not the same as ingame coms .

 

You cannot hear someone using TS ingame.

You cannot hear what is said to someone on TS ingame.

There is no range limit on TS compared to the ingame radio coms.

You don't need batteries for TS :P

 

Its a very valid point the op raised.

It goes against everything a lot of players are used to in today's gaming community's, we are so used to using a system to communicate ingame that has no restrictions that we scream blue murder at anyone who would suggest doing it in a more realistic way.

Although quite a few Arma2 and 3 players will be already familiar with ACRE and realise the benefits and downfalls of using a system that is not as omnipresent as TS is.

 

 

Anyway I think the op is correct even tough I myself use TS all the time at the moment I would prefer it if i was restricted in what I could use while ingame.

In the same way that I prefer that I cannot use 3rd in Hardcore servers.

Edited January 29, 2014 by BL1P

[DeatHTaX 1217]

So you would basically always be unfriendly ?

 

Alot of people seem to be missing why TS etc are not the same as ingame coms .

 

You cannot hear someone using TS ingame.

You cannot hear what is said to someone on TS ingame.

There is no range limit on TS compared to the ingame radio coms.

You don't need batteries for TS :P

 

Its a very valid point the op raised.

It goes against everything a lot of players are used to in today's gaming community's, we are so used to using a system to communicate ingame that has no restrictions that we scream blue murder at anyone who would suggest doing it in a more realistic way.

Although quite a few Arma2 and 3 players will be already familiar with ACRE and realise the benefits and downfalls of using a system that is not as omnipresent as TS is.

 

 

Anyway I think the op is correct even tough I myself use TS all the time at the moment I would prefer it if i was restricted in what I could use while ingame.

In the same way that I prefer that I cannot use 3rd in Hardcore servers.

 

And for the people who argue about "what if i die and cant find my friend? I NEED TS!"

 

Me and my friends have a set rendezvous point, makes that argument totally invalid :D

[BL1P 252]

And for the people who argue about "what if i die and cant find my friend? I NEED TS!"

 

Me and my friends have a set rendezvous point, makes that argument totally invalid :D

Damn wish I had thought of that one :)

 

Thanks m8 !

[DeatHTaX 1217]

Damn wish I had thought of that one :)

 

Thanks m8 !

 

It's great in theory, but it sure sucks to be the guy who gets offed and you're waiting in the location for half an hour for your other buddy to come back and get you lol. I mean sometimes you think "gosh is he actually coming back?" lol

[BL1P 252]

It's great in theory, but it sure sucks to be the guy who gets offed and you're waiting in the location for half an hour for your other buddy to come back and get you lol. I mean sometimes you think "gosh is he actually coming back?" lol

It sounds like you guys play without TS is that correct ?

[Fabik 71]

OK... Notice how I said that 3rd party VoIP is a 'cheat' and not a cheat.

 

It's not a cheat per se, but it's a crutch. A huge crutch.

 

Just like 3rd person view is a crutch. Just like loot maps are a crutch.

 

The more crutches you use, the easier the game gets.

 

Why people can't understand that ?

[quantum2k6 348]

10 pages of garbage...

 

no teamspeak use for this and ANY other game means clans wont play it which result in empty serverbrowsers...

 

... because the big communitys and clans pay your server you play every night on.. and ts is basic for such large groups of players....

 

think -> post...

 

i can use my laptop, tablet, smartphone for teamspeak... so again this topic is useless u CANT force it.

Edited January 29, 2014 by quantum2k6

[Blaaaaaaag 75]

So you would basically always be unfriendly ?

 

I should probably clarify my position on this... mostly I play lone wolf, and in such instances, yeah, I'd keep my mic on and I'd talk to people in-game, as I do now. But when I *am* playing with my squad/friends? Communication with them would be a much higher priority than communication with randoms. Come to think of it, the only times I've used the in-game comms at the same time as playing with a group of friends are when I've said "hi" to random other fresh spawns as I run past them on my way to rejoining my pals. Which I guess is pretty friendly, but yeah, I'd give that up for proper squad communication. When I'm grouped up with my friends and we collectively come across other survivors? We don't talk to them. We either stay unseen and let them be on their way, if they don't look threatening, or we try to send them back to the coast. So yeah, unfriendly. Or indifferent at best.

 

My point, however, is that you can't actually force it. TS *will* be used. There is no technology on this planet that can 'solve' the TS 'problem'.

[DeatHTaX 1217]

10 pages of garbage...

 

 

So everyone else's opinion is worthless EXCEPT for yours. Do us a favor and try to grow up please :)

 

It sounds like you guys play without TS is that correct ?

 

It depends. I'm leader in my SWTOR guild so sometimes I double up on TS and in game Comms, simply because I'll be discussing business with other guild heads. But I'll admit, there have been a few times me and a couple other guildees just didn't bother exiting out of it and ran with TS operational. Been trying to ween ourselves off of it to get a better experience :D

Edited January 29, 2014 by DeatHTaX

[Element47 2481]

according to this logic:

 

playing with friends is cheating, its circumventing the game mechanic of a LONE survivor, who is stranded in a foreign place.

 

in the same regard, any clans, groups or gaming communities constitute cheating. you circumvent the permadeath mechanic, as your freshspawn wouldnt know anyone from his previous life.

 

having different graphics setting is cheating. the starting point for everyone should be the same, larger resolution, FoV, different head bobble, different input devices, its all creating unequality - all cheating.

 

"Join Game" feature of the Steam Friendist: cheating.

[DeatHTaX 1217]

according to this logic:

 

playing with friends is cheating, its circumventing the game mechanic of a LONE survivor, who is stranded in a foreign place.

 

in the same regard, any clans, groups or gaming communities constitute cheating. you circumvent the permadeath mechanic, as your freshspawn wouldnt know anyone from his previous life.

 

having different graphics setting is cheating. the starting point for everyone should be the same, larger resolution, FoV, different head bobble, different input devices, its all creating unequality - all cheating.

 

"Join Game" feature of the Steam Friendist: cheating.

 

Edit:

 

Hmm...now that I read what I wrote you actually have an interesting point. I have to think on this...

 

Edit2: Well the only thing i will strongly disagree with is your argument involving the "friends" aspect of the game. I don't really think this game constitutes being a "lone survivor" game when its an MMO with dynamics like it has :P however, you do bring up a good point about the steam friends aspect. That does actually make sense if you're for one and against the other.

 

I love a good counterpoint :P

Edited January 29, 2014 by DeatHTaX

[quantum2k6 348]

So everyone else's opinion is worthless EXCEPT for yours. Do us a favor and try to grow up please :)

 

sry a post that ts is cheating is garbage... a huge awesome mountain of it...

 

i dont need to grow up... this trolltopic forces just this reactions... and everybody knows that.

 

do me a favor and use your brain...

[Fabik 71]

according to this logic:

 

playing with friends is cheating, its circumventing the game mechanic of a LONE survivor, who is stranded in a foreign place.

 

in the same regard, any clans, groups or gaming communities constitute cheating. you circumvent the permadeath mechanic, as your freshspawn wouldnt know anyone from his previous life.

 

having different graphics setting is cheating. the starting point for everyone should be the same, larger resolution, FoV, different head bobble, different input devices, its all creating unequality - all cheating.

 

"Join Game" feature of the Steam Friendist: cheating.

 

All these elements definitely make the game easier for you. So how do you call it ? Easy mode ?

 

So i'll edit my original post.

 

3rd party VoIP = 3rd person view = loot maps = Easy Mode

 

Satisfied ?

Edited January 29, 2014 by Fabik

[DeatHTaX 1217]

sry a post that ts is cheating is garbage... a huge awesome mountain of it...

 

i dont need to grow up... this trolltopic forces just this reactions... and everybody knows that.

 

do me a favor and use your brain...

 

Yeah well people who voice their opinions in a thread still care about what they're saying, and that doesnt give you the right to say that their opinions are garbage because YOU disagree with something

 

Childish

[weedmasta 784]

So you would basically always be unfriendly ?

 

Alot of people seem to be missing why TS etc are not the same as ingame coms .

 

You cannot hear someone using TS ingame.

You cannot hear what is said to someone on TS ingame.

There is no range limit on TS compared to the ingame radio coms.

You don't need batteries for TS :P

 

Its a very valid point the op raised.

It goes against everything a lot of players are used to in today's gaming community's, we are so used to using a system to communicate ingame that has no restrictions that we scream blue murder at anyone who would suggest doing it in a more realistic way.

Although quite a few Arma2 and 3 players will be already familiar with ACRE and realise the benefits and downfalls of using a system that is not as omnipresent as TS is.

 

 

Anyway I think the op is correct even tough I myself use TS all the time at the moment I would prefer it if i was restricted in what I could use while ingame.

In the same way that I prefer that I cannot use 3rd in Hardcore servers.

 

All pink and rosy yes, it kills the immersion factor, still there is no way you can stop it, so arguing about it is useless. Only way you can do it is if you have a private server with a private hive (no other way to password a server) with rules and a community that'll stick to those rules and even then it has to be one tight community for someone to not "cheat" their way out.

 

Some people prefer to do things differently just like some people prefer 3PP over 1PP. Get off your high horse already (not to the guy I quoted), you look like you are trying to compensate for something else.

Edited January 29, 2014 by weedmasta

[Lady Kyrah 1110]

The only way to discourage people from using TS over the ingame voice chat is by making it awesome.

[Element47 2481]

All these elements definitely make the game easier for you. So how do you call it ? Easy mode ?

 

So i'll edit my original post.

 

3rd party VoIP = 3rd person view = loot maps = Easy Mode

 

Satisfied ?

 

So you agree that playing with friends or making a clan in DayZ ruins the game as much as using TS?

[quantum2k6 348]

ohh then ppl with 5.1 sound are cheaters too?

 

ppl with high end pcs?

 

and whtas with lanpartys? should we call them cheatpartys then?

 

playing with friends over steam as postet... cheat?

 

 

 

make my day...