Can admins kick you for suspected server hopping/ghosting?

[thequantum 52]

I noticed this server in the host list, which bans server hopping and ghosting. Do admins have the authority to ban people from a public server for this? I logged in to a military base for the first time and was kicked within 30 seconds. I was planning to snipe people from the tower, but I was not server hopping.  I suspect I was kicked for suspected server hopping. I then logged in again, and was kick/banned.

 

I would suspect server hopping is possibly under Rule 12 from http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/62195-server-hosting-rules-updated-3009/ however it doesn't seem to me like logging in inside the military base is justifiable evidence of server hopping, as required under the "solid evidence" clause.

 

 

[Timmymachine109 (DayZ) 235]

If you were kicked straight away first login they could be trying to cover the fact they are loot farming their own server. Just kicking anyone and using that as an excuse

Edited January 11, 2014 by Timmymachine109

[Chauz 166]

They can't be sure you are a server hopper, the only way they can know is when you leave the server, so no they cant kick you straight away.

It is just a lame excuse to cover up that they instant kick people.

[LegitOldSchool 261]

Edited January 11, 2014 by EchoZeero

[AllDayZSimon 75]

Just another example of how the rules failed in the mod - Whether you were server hopping or not this brings up the following;

 

Lets report people who kick and ban Ghost/Hoppers/Combat Loggers because it's a rule that you can't kick and ban - But we're okay because there's no rule stating we cannot Server Hop/Ghost/Log.  This is the exact same logic that buried "Public Hive" on the mod six feet in the dirt.

[Domenico Bailey 7]

Is there a message you get when you are kicked or do you just loose connection (aka no message recieved) ? 

[okiimatsu 56]

AllDAYZSIMON states it aptly. there aren't built in mechanics to prevent hopping. Any server offered up to the public is of free use by the customers to frequent as they see fit.

There are even admins advertising their servers here in this forum with a dialogue that would subvert the listed rules. Unreal.

[Mattrrrrrrrrr 7]

Just another example of how the rules failed in the mod - Whether you were server hopping or not this brings up the following;

 

Lets report people who kick and ban Ghost/Hoppers/Combat Loggers because it's a rule that you can't kick and ban - But we're okay because there's no rule stating we cannot Server Hop/Ghost/Log.  This is the exact same logic that buried "Public Hive" on the mod six feet in the dirt.

 

Yep.

 

Pretty much as soon as the Private Hives and password options came out, the Public Hive went to the shit really badly. Only a total spastic would've played on the Public Hive after the thousands of modded and private servers were released.

[djporternz 644]

I noticed this server in the host list, which bans server hopping and ghosting. Do admins have the authority to ban people from a public server for this? I logged in to a military base for the first time and was kicked within 30 seconds. I was planning to snipe people from the tower, but I was not server hopping.  I suspect I was kicked for suspected server hopping. I then logged in again, and was kick/banned.

 

I would suspect server hopping is possibly under Rule 12 from http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/62195-server-hosting-rules-updated-3009/ however it doesn't seem to me like logging in inside the military base is justifiable evidence of server hopping, as required under the "solid evidence" clause.

Pretty much all a server admin can do is reboot the server, and change it's name (but there are rules for that as well). Rule 12 won't apply as server jumping/combat logging/ghosting are not seen as exploits with SA ATM, except by some over zealous admins. The fact you were kicked within 30 seconds of joining would indicate that they aren't relying on solid evidence to boot, just user name.

 

Admins can only kick, there is no functionality to allow admins to ban ATM, unless they have hacked the server code.

 

Report them and have them and/or their server shutdown if it is indeed ignoring the rules: http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/158966-dayz-standalone-server-hosting-rules-server-reporting/

[TLa_Vanguard 52]

Like DJPorter said, your not cheating or using hacks, just a simple loophole in the system. On our server if we have record proof and a name we will broadcast a message over global, naming them and warning them that they are being recorded and to stop combat logging etc etc. They soon get the message by either behaving or leaving the server on there own free will.

[DoctorWrongpipes 31]

Despite the general dickbaggery of the admins of this server, you logged in (so by inference, out) in a regular spot for ghosting and hopping.

[RyanK (DayZ) 40]

logging out in a high value loot area, even for a week, is server hopping :P

 

ps im fuckin joking ok lol

[Dr. Goner 661]

I think you were server hopping and it's lame as hell. 

 

I also don't think they should be able to kick or ban you for it. It's an exploit, simple as that. Some do it some don't.

 

I love when I'm looting a military building and I see someone like you suddenly appear. I bet they get so pissed when they realize they've been killed. From what I understand, you often don't even hear the shots and most people think it's some kind of glitch. No, you just got shot in the face for exploiting. I don't hold it against you as it is something you can do, but it's nice being able to kill those that I catch doing it.

 

Also, before you start crying, "I can log out wherever I want, not server hopping blah blah waaaaaaa!!!" I agree with you but if you are stupid enough to log out in a military building, you deserve to die when you log back in, especially if it's on a different server than the one you logged out of or at a completely different time of day. There are certain places on the map that are shoot on site, military encampments are definitely one of them.

[BelMarduk 169]

No, report the server as violating the rules of public server hive hosting. It is not up to the server admin (at this point in the alpher) to be making decisions of who's hopping or not. Remember folks WE ARE NOT NOT NOT 'testing'. We re working the mechanics of the game, the DEVS ARE RUNNING THE TESTS. They can not adequately 'test', get the data THEY are looking for to make the game as good as they can, if 'random' people decide for themselves to go against the rules the devs set up for THEIR tests.

[AllDayZSimon 75]

Like DJPorter said, your not cheating or using hacks, just a simple loophole in the system. On our server if we have record proof and a name we will broadcast a message over global, naming them and warning them that they are being recorded and to stop combat logging etc etc. They soon get the message by either behaving or leaving the server on there own free will.

 

How does recording them have any effect when you yourself said it's not cheating and it's simply a loophole..

 

This is what I was talking about earlier, there's quite a few posts here that just show how much easier things will be when private hives are released. Can we please stop with; "It's not a rule that you can't hop/ghost - But they're in trouble for punishing you. Here have their server removed from ____".

 

You can't kick/ban players for ghosting/logging/hopping.

You can't kick/ban players for openly hacking because it very well may just be a glitch in the alpha.

You can't kick/ban players who exploit game-breaking glitches (Such as duping).

 

However, you CAN kick/ban a player for saying "Fgt" because it's a racial/homophobic slur.

Very solid set of rules.

[protossmaster 10]

Pretty much all a server admin can do is reboot the server, and change it's name (but there are rules for that as well). Rule 12 won't apply as server jumping/combat logging/ghosting are not seen as exploits with SA ATM, except by some over zealous admins. The fact you were kicked within 30 seconds of joining would indicate that they aren't relying on solid evidence to boot, just user name.

 

Admins can only kick, there is no functionality to allow admins to ban ATM, unless they have hacked the server code.

 

Report them and have them and/or their server shutdown if it is indeed ignoring the rules: http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/158966-dayz-standalone-server-hosting-rules-server-reporting/

If it is a battle eye enabled server server admins can ban you via in game rcon.

[King of kong 1117]

When I read that you were planning on sniping people from the tower I cried. Go back to battlefield, iSnip3rB0y

[Guest]

Sounds like an excuse to farm their server to me....

[Chauz 166]

OMG Darryl is on the forums 

 

[Crazy Ivan (DayZ) 15]

Question: If you do not like the way an Admin is running his/her server and you complain and get the servers shut down. Where are you going to play? Shut up and go to another server. Admin’s are paying the bills so you can play for free they should get some kind of respect, unless they are just totally being abusive. You could always pony up the server rental fees your self so you can have a server you can trash at will.

[Chauz 166]

Question: If you do not like the way an Admin is running his/her server and you complain and get the servers shut down. Where are you going to play? Shut up and go to another server. Admin’s are paying the bills so you can play for free they should get some kind of respect, unless they are just totally being abusive. You could always pony up the server rental fees your self so you can have a server you can trash at will.

 

Could It be that it is your server he is reporting, just notice your only post is in this thread and directed to the OP asking him a question without defending the stuff he said in his OP.

[Demoth 366]

How does recording them have any effect when you yourself said it's not cheating and it's simply a loophole..

 

This is what I was talking about earlier, there's quite a few posts here that just show how much easier things will be when private hives are released. Can we please stop with; "It's not a rule that you can't hop/ghost - But they're in trouble for punishing you. Here have their server removed from ____".

 

You can't kick/ban players for ghosting/logging/hopping.

You can't kick/ban players for openly hacking because it very well may just be a glitch in the alpha.

You can't kick/ban players who exploit game-breaking glitches (Such as duping).

 

However, you CAN kick/ban a player for saying "Fgt" because it's a racial/homophobic slur.

Very solid set of rules.

 

Yeah, I can't wait until private servers come out and power tripping admins kick whoever they want whenever they want, dick with people for no reason and then give out loot to their friends.

 

I also can't wait until this community is so utterly divided by all the mods and private servers that I'm stuck playing with the "spastics" who play on the public hive.

 

EDIT: I should note that I'm not posting on my actual account name, but on a friend's since I was checking the forums for something else, stumbled upon this thread and decided to post. I didn't feel like logging him out.

 

Honestly, private servers really fractured DayZ mod, and on top of that, it did nothing to cut down on hacking. It was also a chore finding a server where everyone was chill, but then you run into the problem of knowing everyone after a while and the whole "random encounter" aspect becomes more difficult. I'm speaking from experience.

Edited February 19, 2014 by Demoth

[ProTECK 18]

If you rapide avez Été expulser Tout de suite la première connexion, ILS pourraient essayer de couvrir le fel qu'ils SONT butin cultivent Leur Propre serveur. Juste coups de pied Tout le Monde et en utilisant CELA Comme une excuse

 

Excuse or not WE NEED CONTROLE

 

and the rules FUCK THE GAME

 

 

We pay to play on us server and we have no place to play on us server that i pay my slot !

 

 

wat the solution ? stop pay, stop all the server and wait that dayz have his server ?

 

 

i see only players server and not official servers. DayZ make profite on his clients and give fucking no controle ! Youhou basterds you pay and we make profit on you. we have no officials servers but rules for you

Edited April 21, 2014 by ProTECK

[real meatshield 424]

Excuse or not WE NEED CONTROLE

 

and the rules FUCK THE GAME

 

 

We pay to play on us server and we have no place to play on us server that i pay my slot !

 

 

wat the solution ? stop pay, stop all the server and wait that dayz have his server ?

 

 

i see only players server and not official servers. DayZ make profite on his clients and give fucking no controle ! Youhou basterds you pay and we make profit on you. we have no officials servers but rules for you

dafuq was all that about?

[kichilron 8550]

wat the solution ? stop pay, stop all the server and wait that dayz have his server ?

i see only players server and not official servers. DayZ make profite on his clients and give fucking no controle ! Youhou basterds you pay and we make profit on you. we have no officials servers but rules for you

 

You don't have to pay for a server, it's your decision to do so or not. Many other games have hostingrules for servers that are connected to a centralised database and if you want a "player server" you will have to stick to the rules.

 

The DayZ Devs don't make profit from the serverhosting, as they're not the ones providing them.

 

Watch your words and be a bit nicer around here, or you'll get in trouble.