Fix (not remove) Third Person Perspective

[Ken Bean 175]

Hello Ken Bean.

I give you some beans for your mastery of the trolling arts ;)

Regards.

I dont know how this looks to you but I dont want to take anything away from this guy who loves 1st person so much that he decided to bitch all 3rd person player.

Call me whatever you want, I just stand for my prefered point of view.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Ken Bean

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

But holy Jesus, is it really so hard to join a 1st person server? I know, I so often did, strangely worked. :-/

That's not the solution to fixing the 3PP exploit. How many more times must I say this?

[Ken Bean 175]

That's not the solution to fixing the 3PP exploit. How many more times must I say this?

Not sure, does it help to find that 1st person server? Where that exploit is impossible?

You know, there already are "fixed" server.

Are they not existing or too full to be able to join a server where the "exploit" already is fixed and impossible?

Is that word order right?

I can edit if you want.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

Not sure, does it help to find that 1st person - where that exploit is impossible?

You know, there already are "fixed" server.

Ken. More 3PP players do not want the exploit than do want it. 1PP servers are irrelevant in this discussion. You lost bro, get over it.

 

You're just the vocal minority trying to muddy the waters.

Edited January 18, 2014 by phlOgistOn

[Ken Bean 175]

Sight, word order is irrelevant. Yes, your own poll basically says that you should join a 1st person server.

Why the heck you needed a poll for in the very first place? Too undicided to make an own decission?

Edited January 18, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

Sight, word order is irrelevant. Yes, your own poll basically says that you should join a 1st person server.

Why the heck you needed a poll for in the very first place? Too undicided to make an own decission?

Nope, to show you that most players on 3PP servers don't like the exploit, since that was one of the crutches for your argument. Now it's gone, you have nothing. So it was 100% effective for what I needed it for.

[Ken Bean 175]

Nope, to show you that most players on 3PP servers don't like the exploit, since that was one of the crutches for your argument. Now it's gone, you have nothing. So it was 100% effective for what I needed it for.

There havent even most player voted. And I didnt, cause it was cheated.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

My hopes that you (and others participating in these threads) will make a rational, reasoned and sensible argument about this plummeted into the ground pages ago.

The facts are simple and irrefutable;

3PP is exploitable (seeing things you wouldn't otherwise be able to see)

3PP is exploited (people gain situational awareness with zero risk to themselves)

3PP exploiting puts an imbalance into the game in the favour of the exploitee. Given the game is aiming for as realistic a vibe as is possible whilst retaining exciting gameplay, this is A Bad Thing^TM.

3PP exploiting can be fixed without forcing one viewpoint or the other on players (some like 3PP for reasons other than taking advantage of the exploit)

3PP exploiting can be fixed without splitting the community up across 3PP:ON/3PP:OFF servers (People like to play with their friends and every person has their own viewpoint preference)

WHY ARE WE STILL ARGUING ABOUT IT?

If 3PP is an "exploit", then World of Warcraft is the most successful "exploitable" game in the world. :)

[floj 393]

If 3PP is an "exploit", then World of Warcraft is the most successful "exploitable" game in the world. :)

WoW is not a cover based, ranged combat shooter.

 

 

There havent even most player voted. And I didnt, cause it was cheated.

The only objection you raised to the poll was for the second part, I added that part purely as a red herring to distract from the far more interesting stuff in the first part. So, yeah that part was flawed with not enough options. Diversionary tactics, one of Sun-Tzu's bread and butters.

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

WoW is not a cover based, ranged combat shooter.

This. Pretty much all players play WoW in third person and there is no combat advantage gained in doing so. The two games aren't even comparable in this way. Hell, the two games aren't even comparable aside the fact they both feature online play and lots of players.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Monkfish

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

This. Pretty much all players play WoW in third person and there is no combat advantage gained in doing so. The two games aren't even comparable in this way. Hell, the two games aren't even comparable aside the fact they both feature online play and lots of players.

If all players in DayZ were using 3PP then there would be "no combat advantage gained" as you so nicely put.

Thank you for proving my point. ;)

[Ken Bean 175]

Incomparable, awesome.

But yeah, at least WoW doesnt have any 1st person server one could join alternatively.

[Ken Bean 175]

I think he's still talking about knowing the location of the suppressing group, the fact that this then enables a flanking group to move up unobserved has remained unobserved itself.

And if you flank, they stare you to death first by peeking around? So that peeker whipes out the suppressor and the flankee without getting in trouble? I thought he would need to use weapons or something.

Could be they patched that lately?

This is slowly turning into a pos thread. Peeking on sight. ;) The new terror arising.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

Nah, but Rocket's already workingon patching out the exploit, so enjoy it whilst it lasts. Guess he listened to the majority.

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

If all players in DayZ were using 3PP then there would be "no combat advantage gained" as you so nicely put.

Thank you for proving my point. ;)

Once again, someone else has missed the points I've made entirely. Even if everyone was using 3PP, someone could still gain combat advantage. Clearly you and everyone who shares this viewpoint is having difficulty grasping how this could be possible, so I've taken a screenshot from the video in the OP of this thread to demonstrate it, because a picture paints a thousand words...

 

 

Imagine that everyone in this image is using 3PP because they're on a 3PP only server or something. Now, because the person behind the wall (the one in the foreground) is closer to the wall than the three standing in the background, they have a situational advantage over those three people. This is because the three people, even though they're using 3PP, cannot see what is directly behind the wall because of their distance to it. This is why 3PP is exploitable, regardless of whether other people are using 3PP or not.

 

It's quite simple really, if you think about it and apply some logic.

EDIT: Added post this is aimed at because it's on another page.

Edited January 18, 2014 by Monkfish

[gibonez 3633]

Nah, but Rocket's already workingon patching out the exploit, so enjoy it whilst it lasts. Guess he listened to the majority.

 

Thank god.

 

good riddance to TPV.

[Ken Bean 175]

Nah, but Rocket's already workingon patching out the exploit, so enjoy it whilst it lasts. Guess he listened to the majority.

So maybe suppressing and flanking is no longer being in disadvantage against peeking?

I thought thats why 1st person locked server are good for. And the majority didnt vote, but is playing on 3rd person server. :-/

You certainly have a source or sth?

Edited January 18, 2014 by Ken Bean

[Jamz 253]

Thank god.

 

good riddance to TPV.

 

It is staying in, thankfully, just being modified to remove exploitability.

[Ken Bean 175]

When, where, how?

[floj 393]

It's a few pages back, cba to find it so have fun looking yourself

 

- it'd have been easier if you hadn't filled the thread with so many circular arguments that coulda been answered on wikipedia or by applying some basic logical thought but I guess you reap what you sow.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Once again, someone else has missed the points I've made entirely. Even if everyone was using 3PP, someone could still gain combat advantage. Clearly you and everyone who shares this viewpoint is having difficulty grasping how this could be possible, so I've taken a screenshot from the video in the OP of this thread to demonstrate it, because a picture paints a thousand words...

Imagine that everyone in this image is using 3PP because they're on a 3PP only server or something. Now, because the person behind the wall (the one in the foreground) is closer to the wall than the three standing in the background, they have a situational advantage over those three people. This is because the three people, even though they're using 3PP, cannot see what is directly behind the wall because of their distance to it. This is why 3PP is exploitable, regardless of whether other people are using 3PP or not.

It's quite simple really, if you think about it and apply some logic.

What if the 3 guys on the other side of the wall saw this Lone Ranger coming a mile away using 3PP and set up an ambush?

3PP is equal to both sides if they both have the same view. It's just a matter of who sees who first. The exact same principle applies to 1PP. One player will always get the drop on the other.

[Ken Bean 175]

It's a few pages back, cba to find it so have fun looking yourself

- it'd have been easier if you hadn't filled the thread with so many circular arguments that coulda been answered on wikipedia or by applying some basic logical thought but I guess you reap what you sow.

Oh, thought there was new info, not that vague.

[floj 393]

What if the 3 guys on the other side of the wall saw this Lone Ranger coming a mile away using 3PP and set up an ambush?

3PP is equal to both sides if they both have the same view. It's just a matter of who sees who first. The exact same principle applies to 1PP. One player will always get the drop on the other.

If they'd seen him coming miles away, why would they leave themselves so exposed? Why not setup a proper ambush and hide behind the same wall that the player is using in the screenshot...which is exactly what would have happened.

[Ken Bean 175]

What if the 3 guys on the other side of the wall saw this Lone Ranger coming a mile away using 3PP and set up an ambush?

3PP is equal to both sides if they both have the same view. It's just a matter of who sees who first. The exact same principle applies to 1PP. One player will always get the drop on the other.

Of cause not. They knew its a wall and everything behind walls always used to be save, so they didnt bother to watch their backs. Edited January 18, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

Oh, thought there was new info, not that vague.

It wasn't vague at all, he seemed quite clear about the matter.

 

Anyway, glad this thread's on the front page still, it's helping the poll gain traction