Fix (not remove) Third Person Perspective

[Ken Bean 175]

It wasn't vague at all, he seemed quite clear about the matter.

Anyway, glad this thread's on the front page still, it's helping the poll gain traction

Awesome, then we dont need 1st person server any more. Lets reunite the playerbase?

Anyway, I realy hope that you are even playing it, whatever they do. Would be sad if major "lets fix them" would be a first person player. Then please stick to it after but your booty on so many.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

Yeah once the exploit that the minority want to keep is gone, I hope so, til then, let's keep on laughing at their pitiful attempts at argument.

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

What if the 3 guys on the other side of the wall saw this Lone Ranger coming a mile away using 3PP and set up an ambush?

Your "what if" does not negate the point that it is entirely possible to gain a combat advantage over someone else even if the other people are using 3PP themselves.

3PP is equal to both sides if they both have the same view.

It is not. I have demonstrated this quite clearly.

[Ken Bean 175]

Yeah once the exploit that the minority want to keep is gone, I hope so, til then, let's keep on laughing at their pitiful attempts at argument.

You indeed are a winner.

[fitzee 248]

Hi.

 

How about having 3PP disabled, except when wearing one of these? :lol:

 

 

Regards.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Your "what if" does not negate the point that it is entirely possible to gain a combat advantage over someone else even if the other people are using 3PP themselves.

It is not. I have demonstrated this quite clearly.

It's entirely possible to gain a combat advantage over someone even if both players are using 1PP. Gaining an advantage does not make something an exploit.

[floj 393]

You indeed are a winner.

Not really constructive to the discussion...but then nothing new from you there is it. Sigh...

 

So where were we 20 pages ago:

 

Tighter camera angles or an implementation of the 4th person mod will fix this confirmed exploit which only a minority of players want to keep in the game.

[Ken Bean 175]

Not really constructive to the discussion...but then nothing new from you there is it. Sigh...

So where were we 20 pages ago:

Tighter camera angles or an implementation of the 4th person mod will fix this confirmed exploit which only a minority of players want to keep in the game.

Come on, his is the same old news. And yes I'm thinking this may drive me out of the game. Hope you are celebrating this on your 1st person server.

I know you said 3rd person has no purpose, sure it was it worth for you to fight that fight, right?

Edited January 19, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

You shoulda kept up, I aint playing til the desync is fixed. The only news in 20 pages is that you can no longer use the popularity of 3PP servers in your argument. And so you have nothing left but the same old logical fallacies and trying to smear the issues over more and more pages with some slow paced sidestepping of the issues.

 

You still have no argument against implementing these fixes except for 'I want the exploit'

 

So where were we 21 pages ago:

Tighter camera angles or an implementation of the 4th person mod will fix this confirmed exploit which only a minority of players want to keep in the game.

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

You shoulda kept up, I aint playing til the desync is fixed. The only news in 20 pages is that you can no longer use the popularity of 3PP servers in your argument. And so you have nothing left but the same old logical fallacies and trying to smear the issues over more and more pages with some slow paced sidestepping of the issues.

You still have no argument against implementing these fixes except for 'I want the exploit'

So where were we 21 pages ago:

Tighter camera angles or an implementation of the 4th person mod will fix this confirmed exploit which only a minority of players want to keep in the game.

Sorry, but the popularity of 3PP servers FAR outweigh any polls on a DayZ forum. The majority still prefer to leave it as is.

[floj 393]

Nope, because over half the players that want to play 3PP don't want the exploit.

Currently at 77:43

or if you want to count the 1PP players as well, 128:43

 

Sample sizes can be used to infer analysis of the population as a whole. That's why surveys and polls can be used in so many fields of study.

Edited January 19, 2014 by phlOgistOn

[Heiduk 265]

I understand the words, but not their order.

 

Or, in other words, what?

 

Sometimes I read the posts and wonder if we aren't part of a science experiment testing whether some researcher's computer AI can fool us into thinking it's human. Either that or alcohol, it could definitely be alcohol.

 

Edit: typo

Edited January 19, 2014 by Heiduk

[Monkfish (DayZ) 339]

It's entirely possible to gain a combat advantage over someone even if both players are using 1PP. Gaining an advantage does not make something an exploit.

I know it's entirely possible to gain combat advantage using 1PP, but the difference there is that you have to expose yourself to an element of risk (being seen and/or shot) using 1PP. Using 3PP, you can gain that advantage without any risk of either. THIS is the exploit. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

Sorry, but the popularity of 3PP servers FAR outweigh any polls on a DayZ forum. The majority still prefer to leave it as is.

Server availability != preference. Furthermore, there are plenty of players out there who use 3PP for reasons other than the exploit.

[Heiduk 265]

Sorry, but the popularity of 3PP servers FAR outweigh any polls on a DayZ forum. The majority still prefer to leave it as is.

 

What filter settings do I use to find 3DP:ON servers where fixes for the exploitive nature of 3DP in vanilla DayZ have been applied? I would like to vote with my feet via server population.

[Ken Bean 175]

However, lost interrest in your "findings", preference still is no reason for you? Everything just pearls downs, cant get anything through, is not willing to accept choice to play on 1st/3rd person server, only pushing what he doesnt even know himself (considerations)...

If he even would have a solution...

How on earth can you argue with that? Doesnt even know or value the concepts of choice and preference. :-/

Debating with a plank looks to be more promising.

Im also gettin feed up with "youtube video proves". Holy christ, why should I abondon the game design I like just because some Joe did think he has something to bitch about?

Edited January 19, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

However, lost interrest in your "findings", preference still is no reason for you? Everything just pearls downs, cant get anything through, is not willing to accept choice to play on 1st/3rd person server, only pushing what he doesnt even know himself ...

If he even would have a solution...

How on earth can you argue with that? Doesnt even know or value the concepts of choice and preference. :-/

Debating with a plank looks to be more promising.

Lost interest because you couldn't understand or more likely didn't want to.

 

I understand choice, where's the choice for 3PP players that want to join a server without the exploit? There is none, but they've responded on the poll to show their preference to play without. So let's discuss the pros and cons of how that might be implemented, like the thread title suggests.

[Ken Bean 175]

Lost interest because you couldn't understand or more likely didn't want to.

I understand choice, where's the choice for 3PP players that want to join a server without the exploit? There is none, but they've responded on the poll to show their preference to play without. So let's discuss the pros and cons of how that might be implemented, like the thread title suggests.

You are not speaking for 3rd person players. You laugh at them, forgotten?

However. Cant remember having made you to my speaker.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

I want to play on 3PP servers without the exploit so I can play with friends that don't like 1PP.

 

And that's an ad hominem argument.

 

So let's discuss the pros and cons of how they might implement removing the exploit, like the thread title suggests.

 

EDIT: Sorry for the monotony of my responses for any third parties reading, just fighting fire with fire :)

Edited January 19, 2014 by phlOgistOn

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Nope, because over half the players that want to play 3PP don't want the exploit.

Currently at 77:43

or if you want to count the 1PP players as well, 128:43

Sample sizes can be used to infer analysis of the population as a whole. That's why surveys and polls can be used in so many fields of study.

Except how many players enjoy playing DayZ just the way it is and don't go to the forums to vote on a poll? Impossible to tell, but far more than the ones that like to complain I'd suspect.

Just sayin' ;)

[floj 393]

Sure, like the people that heard that Rocket was looking at removing the exploit and wanted to raise objections to it. Thanks for the agreement.

 

Now let's discuss the pros and cons of how they might implement removing the exploit, like the thread title suggests.

Edited January 19, 2014 by phlOgistOn

[Ken Bean 175]

I want to play on 3PP servers without the exploit so I can play with friends that don't like 1PP.

And that's an ad hominem argument.

So let's discuss the pros and cons of how they might implement removing the exploit, like the thread title suggests.

Well, if I ever made you to my speaker, please resign, you are not representing my interrests, just yours.

Others and me btw already said what they like and what not. you just failed to listen.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Ken Bean

[floj 393]

Well, if I ever made you to my speaker, please resign, you are not representing my interrests, just yours.

Others and me btw already said what they like and what not. you just failed to listen.

Again ad hominem, and you're still responding to me after I watched a whole season of the Walking Dead, so I must have been doing something right.

 

Now let's discuss the pros and cons of how they might implement removing the exploit, like the thread title suggests.

[Ken Bean 175]

Again ad hominem, and you're still responding to me after I watched a whole season of the Walking Dead, so I must have been doing something right.

Now let's discuss the pros and cons of how they might implement removing the exploit, like the thread title suggests.

This is no add hominem argument. Its just the truth.

I didnt made you my speaker, you are not willing to listen.

Edited January 19, 2014 by Ken Bean

[WrecklessMEDIC 129]

Sure, like the people that heard that Rocket was looking at removing the exploit and wanted to raise objections to it. Thanks for the agreement.

Now let's discuss the pros and cons of how they might implement removing the exploit, like the thread title suggests.

I never heard anything about 3PP exploits until I decided to check out the forums on a whim last week. I was quite surprised when I realized people were actually complaining about it.....lol. :D

[floj 393]

Ken Bean:

Ad-hominem - lit. to the man. You tried to disparage my discussion ability, that is an ad-hominem argument that had nothing to do with the discussion itself.

 

Wreckless:

It's quite an important decision when looking to design a game with or without different perspectives. It can affect all the mechanics and experiences of the player. You should try reading the threads on the Thief forum about adding 3PP to the new game in that series. They had it in the 3rd game and it completely killed the level design and mechanics (although there were studio issues as well) this is nothing here in comparison. When you add PvP to the equation as well it exacerbates things since there are no serious PvP games (with ranged combat yadayada) that have 3PP implemented without adding visibility mechanics ontop to counter this same exploit :)

 

Anyway, how about discussing the implementation of different techniques to remove the exploit from the game