Hacks or destruction?

[The Batman 75]

http://www.twitch.tv/profsheen/c/3505595

 

Above is a link to a part of my DayZ stream that happened yesterday. After discussing several times with the other people in the group, we couldn't decide whether we had been victim to foul play or if we fell victim to a pretty ingeniously stupid play. I just wanted to know, what do you guys think?

Aside from a very very bad play on our behalf, let's examine the facts:

In our discussion afterwards, we decided that they had probably spotted "Mopp" (the guy crouch walking around). At the time, I didn't pay attention to this and in the heat of the moment ignored it. We acknowledge that they could have spotted him.

 

Notice how, when the guy is moving across the field, he fires DIRECTLY at me. I haven't broken cover from behind the wall so he cannot know I am there.

 

THAT'S A LOT OF BULLETS. Seriously? They must've fired around 300-400 rounds at least. Who wastes that kind of ammo on a wall you think might have 1-2 guys behind?

Notice how they are able to fully auto fire from 100-200 meters away and hit the wall almost every time. Anyone that's fired the M4 knows how difficult/impossible that would be, even with optics.

 

When I crawl into the bush I get stuck in and am unable to move, you may notice that the bullets are hitting the wall right next to me. I've moved from where I was, yet they seem to be firing exactly at me. Also count the rounds that are fired at the end, that's a lot of wasted ammo and seems to be an obscenely long magazine.

 

[weparo 613]

I have yet to look at the vid, but reports from anormalies are coming in every second. I'd recommend to stop playing until a couple of patches have been pushed out. (one of them right now)

 

EDIT : Just watched it, and yeah, sketchy as fuck :P Seems like at the end there was a guy at your side of the wall, but what do I know...

What really "worries" me is the guy who went left with out any cover.... It might just have been some suicidal guys with too much ammo but I'm calling hax

Edited January 6, 2014 by Weparo

[Ayy baby. 29]

Ayy babby says hacks

[The Batman 75]

I have yet to look at the vid, but reports from anormalies are coming in every second. I'd recommend to stop playing until a couple of patches have been pushed out. (one of them right now)

 

EDIT : Just watched it, and yeah, sketchy as fuck :P Seems like at the end there was a guy at your side of the wall, but what do I know...

What really "worries" me is the guy who went left with out any cover.... It might just have been some suicidal guys with too much ammo but I'm calling hax

 

The guy that went left had a guy to his right and the sniper would fire every time someone tried to get a shot on him. As you can see he also suppresses with a lot of rounds himself lol. You can see I clearly get some good shots off and he disappears for a while behind a bush.

[Merrick362 (DayZ) 263]

That was not legit. The volume of fire they were putting down with the accuracy they were putting it down with? No way. He was kneeling, firing 10-20 round bursts from over 100m.

[FalconMyst 0]

How many people were shooting at you? Wait you don't know...

 

"Hey I'm almost out, you shoot" "Okay you shoot" With four guys and one sniper, the shooting will seem endless. Clearly you got out played.

 

I got bested, wahhh must be hacks dem hackes gets me so much I money back gam no good.

[BlindProphet 34]

1.) The dude crouch walking gave your position away.

2.) They had a sniper

3.) You guys had really no clue where they were or how many were engaging you.

4.) Its fairly easy to pepper an area 'shoot at that gap between the two bushes' with fire

5.) You popped up in an obvious spot (clear spot between two bushes) and then didn't move

6.) You were being flanked and other than the first few bursts you put out, let said person continue to flank to a position where you could be seen from

 

You guys played that engagement badly, and then you got stuck.  Nothing in that video screamed 'hacks'.

[Merrick362 (DayZ) 263]

I still maintain they were not legit based on the behavior of the one guy in the field. Nobody is that accurate on automatic.

[FalconMyst 0]

I still maintain they were not legit based on the behavior of the one guy in the field. Nobody is that accurate on automatic.

Who said his shots were hitting? Maybe, just maybe one of the others who were shooting, at the same time, were the ones hitting the shots.

 

Still don't know how many were out there.

[The Batman 75]

Who said his shots were hitting? Maybe, just maybe one of the others who were shooting, at the same time, were the ones hitting the shots.

 

Still don't know how many were out there.

 

It's worth noting that after this happened, the guy who asked if he should log in did so (we are really far north and regrouping would take ages anyway). He was in the trees opposite (where I'm checking at the start of the video). He logged in, spotted two guys by our bodies. They turned around and killed him instantly across the field.

 

 

How many people were shooting at you? Wait you don't know...

 

"Hey I'm almost out, you shoot" "Okay you shoot" With four guys and one sniper, the shooting will seem endless. Clearly you got out played.

 

I got bested, wahhh must be hacks dem hackes gets me so much I money back gam no good.

 

 

You are the exact reason I didn't post this yesterday and debated whether I should. I DID NOT say it was "dem hacks" or anything like that. I merely questioned the legitimacy of it based on the amount of round that came at us. There was two of them in the field and one sniper. We discussed and we could see the two guys fire. The sniper didn't fire that often. It also seems strange that the sniper didn't kill any of us when we broke cover. Mopp (guy that got spotted) got into the trees on the left unharmed.

 

I'm not bothered whether I got bested or not, I just find it curious to know whether it is legit or not and clearly my debate has caused mixed opinions so my reasons are justified. If you must know, that character was over a week old (matching ttsko camo ftw) and half of the fun of DayZ is gearing up. Most of the squad there had been alive around the same amount of time. We played badly because we were in the middle of nowhere, waiting for a friend to log in. We got taken by surprise by a large hail of rounds and extremely limited surrounding cover. Yes, it's our fault we all died. But it DOES NOT bother any of us that much.

 

1.) The dude crouch walking gave your position away.

2.) They had a sniper

3.) You guys had really no clue where they were or how many were engaging you.

4.) Its fairly easy to pepper an area 'shoot at that gap between the two bushes' with fire

5.) You popped up in an obvious spot (clear spot between two bushes) and then didn't move

6.) You were being flanked and other than the first few bursts you put out, let said person continue to flank to a position where you could be seen from

 

You guys played that engagement badly, and then you got stuck.  Nothing in that video screamed 'hacks'.

 

1) Yes, we acknowledged that.

2) Yes, I mentioned that

3) There was 2 of them (+1 sniper). There were 2 friends to my right, they spotted the guy on the right.

4) Yes it is, but not that accurately at 100m+

5) Very true. However, I moved a few feet away but bullets still hit the wall right next to me.

6) True, but with thinned out numbers and being pincered, pinned and with limited cover options, by that point it was too late.

 

Yes, we did. That's true. I appreciate the sensible, none ragey reply. 

Edited January 7, 2014 by The Batman

[volano 8]

While infinite ammo is quite possible this seems like a potentially legit situation.

 

You don't know after all how many people there are and how much ammo they've got to waste.

 

I would assume a real hacker would, after a while, shoot through the walls or teleport behind you.

[libertine 351]

How many people were shooting at you? Wait you don't know...

 

"Hey I'm almost out, you shoot" "Okay you shoot" With four guys and one sniper, the shooting will seem endless. Clearly you got out played.

 

I got bested, wahhh must be hacks dem hackes gets me so much I money back gam no good.

Can you never post here again?

[rickenbacker 190]

Hard to tell, the guy on the left sure had a LOT of ammo, but he might have server-hopped for it, or just duped it. Nothing in the engagement screams "hack" at me, and at least they played it straight and didn't ghost behind you!

[Zaltor 31]

While its not out of the realm of possibilities that they could have unlimited ammo, however with four/five, sixty round mags and a few ammo cans full of rounds, and fire from multiple directions, the guy on the left that was the main focus of this stream did stop firing 3 times for 10-15 seconds where he was probably reloading his mags, as the sniper kept your head down. when the sniper stopped the guy and the right fired. till the laeft and right moved in together.

 

I carry 5 sixty round mags which  is 300 rounds and 300 in ammo box, they didn't fire 300 in this whole fight between three of them.

 

My conclusion is that it was just a good ambush or they set up on you while watching the stream.

[quobble 175]

that guy had really good accuracy while crouching and auto unloading...i think he at least used ESP if not aimbot

 

/edit

 

also you moved behind the walls in cover, he couldnt have known where you are. you could clearly see it at the end when he moved exactly to your spot and unloaded 60+ rounds into you.

 

do you have the player list of that server at that moment?

Edited January 7, 2014 by =GS=Quobble

[Zaltor 31]

that guy had really good accuracy while crouching and auto unloading...i think he at least used ESP if not aimbot

 

/edit

 

also you moved behind the walls in cover, he couldnt have known where you are. you could clearly see it at the end when he moved exactly to your spot and unloaded 60+ rounds into you.

 

do you have the player list of that server at that moment?

watch it again it was the guy on the right that got the kill, and you don't know what his vantage was as the streamer never saw him, and he actually ran past the player double back to finish him.

[The Batman 75]

While infinite ammo is quite possible this seems like a potentially legit situation.

 

You don't know after all how many people there are and how much ammo they've got to waste.

 

I would assume a real hacker would, after a while, shoot through the walls or teleport behind you.

 

That's exactly why such a debate spawned between the group. It's every bit possible they had that ammo to waste, but it's so unlikely.

 

Some hacks only give unlimited ammo/no recoil.

 

Can you never post here again?

 

I agree.

 

watch it again it was the guy on the right that got the kill, and you don't know what his vantage was as the streamer never saw him, and he actually ran past the player double back to finish him.

 

Indeed it was. It looked as though he ran along the wall spraying until he saw me. Still a huge amount of bullets though. Though the two guys to my right did have eyes on him for a while (before they died).

 

that guy had really good accuracy while crouching and auto unloading...i think he at least used ESP if not aimbot

 

/edit

 

also you moved behind the walls in cover, he couldnt have known where you are. you could clearly see it at the end when he moved exactly to your spot and unloaded 60+ rounds into you.

 

do you have the player list of that server at that moment?

 

 

Unfortunately no. After this, we were frustrated and joined a different server. If it was hackers, we didn't want anything to do with it.

 

While its not out of the realm of possibilities that they could have unlimited ammo, however with four/five, sixty round mags and a few ammo cans full of rounds, and fire from multiple directions, the guy on the left that was the main focus of this stream did stop firing 3 times for 10-15 seconds where he was probably reloading his mags, as the sniper kept your head down. when the sniper stopped the guy and the right fired. till the laeft and right moved in together.

 

I carry 5 sixty round mags which  is 300 rounds and 300 in ammo box, they didn't fire 300 in this whole fight between three of them.

 

My conclusion is that it was just a good ambush or they set up on you while watching the stream.

 

As he starts moving across the field following his initial barrage I couldn't decide if he was reloading or not (too far to tell really). When I begin firing at him, I assumed he disappeared for a while because I had hit him (bandaging).

 

That is a lot of ammo to carry. But question - would you fire a large portion of that ammo at a wall that housed an unknown amount of assailants? You have to remember the third guy had a Mosin. I would say the two guys fired upwards of 300 rounds or certainly close to it.

Edited January 7, 2014 by The Batman

[Zaltor 31]

 

That is a lot of ammo to carry. But question - would you fire a large portion of that ammo at a wall that housed an unknown amount of assailants? You have to remember the third guy had a Mosin. I would say the two guys fired upwards of 300 rounds or certainly close to it.

 

Several possible reasons, they could have spotted you all, on your way there? they at least knew of the guy in the open, and the location of the sniper with a 12x scope was never known, he could have had elevation etc.

or they may have watch the stream and knew you were still there.

 

As for the why fire a large potion of ammo? It keeps heads down and return fire minimal, as was proved in this stream.

[The Batman 75]

Several possible reasons, they could have spotted you all, on your way there? they at least knew of the guy in the open, and the location of the sniper with a 12x scope was never known, he could have had elevation etc.

or they may have watch the stream and knew you were still there.

 

As for the why fire a large potion of ammo? It keeps heads down and return fire minimal, as was proved in this stream.

 

We were there for around 20-25 minutes. We were all eating (IRL) before this happened. I thought the sniper might have had a good position, but it seems strange he didn't hit any of us. Not once. He hit the wall the same as the M4 guys.

 

Maybe they did, which is still pretty unfair as I'm a small time streamer, not some big name.

 

True, but THAT volume?