On spawn locations (player and loot)- how "I" think it should be

[crazykage 1063]

DISCLAIMER: This post is not a complaint of the game's current state. I am aware of its Alpha status. The following is my recommendation for how I, PERSONALLY, would like the final product to function. I acknowledge the possibility of being alone in my opinion. I DO NOT however acknowledge the possibility of being WRONG in my position.

 

I think that player spawns should not be limited to only a few specific locations.

 

Players SHOULD spawn in at one of over 300 possible random locations, none of which would be within a mile of a military base.

This would encourage exploration and DISCOURAGE mass player suicides, mass bum rushes to Balota airfield, and mass spawn camping bambi hunters (nothing against killing bambis or anything, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed. camping Kamyshovo waiting for a bambi to spawn so you can shoot him the moment he appears is wrong). If EVERY spawn location was a shitty place to be, it would be better overall for the entire game experience, I think.

 

As for loot, food and clothing and other essentials should essentially stay the same, but slightly harder to find: fairly evenly scattered about, and plenty to be found if you are resourceful. But as for weapons and ammo, they should be far rarer. I have server hoped quite a bit to farm loot. Believe it or not, I did it for testing purposes (not to gear up and hunt bambis, but to see what loot spawns and where, and to test for rarity of items. Its amazing. In one 30 minute session I found an untold number of guns, attachments, ammo, TTsKo clothes, helmets, etc., THREE walkie talkies, THREE of those yellow storage boxes, and 4, yes, FOUR blood test kits. Along with plenty of food, water bottles, can openers, etc. And that was three characters ago. My current one is also fully kitted out after a day, and HE didn't even hop servers). One sweep of the NW airfield after a fresh server restart will reveal TONS guns, TONS AND TONS of ammo, and everything thing else you could want. And I mean EVERYTHING (except maybe maps).

 

The only items I have found to actually be fairly rare are maps to a lesser extent, and combat vests. Not the Load Bearing vests, but the ones that look like flak jackets. I have only found 3 of them (overall, not in the one session), and none of them were in decent condition.

 

Military loot, frankly, should be like this:

 

Clothing/helmets/vests (military grade): rare, but not exceedingly so. Good chance of finding at a military base. (Flak vests should continue to be one of the rarest finds).

 

Weapons (guns):

 

Pistols:

 

FNx45; Rare, but not exceedingly so. good chance of finding one or two somewhere at NWA.

 

Magnum; Rare, but not exceedingly so. Best chance of finding them in houses or in cities (left behind by law enforcement officials or by private owners

 

Rifles:

 

Mosin (or other hunting style rifles/shotguns): Rare, but not exceedingly so. Best chance to find them in isolated (not in towns or cities) houses or farm locales (left behind by private owners that lived out in the boonies, and thus needed a hunting rifle for hunting or protection from hostile wildlife)

 

M4 (or other MILspec guns): EXCEEDINGLY rare, but not to the point of near impossibility. Best chance of finding one would be at a military base, but good luck. . BEST chance at finding one at all would be at a random spawn in the wilderness (ie crashed heli, abandoned military tent, or other random server event). Currently, these things are FAR too common. I once found TEN of them at balota alone, while server hoping an empty server.

 

Attachments: Rare, in all cases. But not exceedingly so. (includes magazines)

 

AMMO:

 

And here we have the most important issue of all. This stuff is EVERYWHERE. Even without server hoping, I have had NO problem finding enough ammo to fill an entire ammo can and then some, acquiring enough for my M4, my FNx45, AND my magnum to supply myself and an entire platoon. This stuff needs to be HARD AS HELL to find. If, for example, you get lucky and find a SINGLE pistol round under the bed in some house, then it must be your birthday. It should be so rare, that even carrying a gun is a toss up: "Do I take this thing, which takes up 4 inventory slots, and hope I find some bullets, or leave it to make more room for food".

 

As an extension, give us the ability to chamber a single round into our guns, without the need for a magazine.

 

This stuff should not be lying around like the apocalypse happened yesterday and without transition. Like one day everyone woke up a zombie except for a few people. It should be more like, say: "it happened a year ago, and most of the ammo got shot up. Yesterday I found a bullet after searching for hours. Now I have the drop on another player, and I want to kill him and take what is his and make it mine. Do I shoot him? Potentially wasting my bullet if I miss, or if it doesn't kill him? What if it DOES, but he has a friend nearby? I'll give away my position, alert the zeds, tell everyone within 500 meters that something is going down here....shit. Im sweating bullets just THINKING about it. Too bad that's not literal..."

 

Does anyone else see what Im getting at here? We should have to f-ing SCROUNGE to find a bullet! Check every nook and cranny!

 

In order of rarity, starting with the most common (organized by weapon type, NOT caliber):

 

Shotgun shells: Most common round. Good chance that one or two will spawn inside a small village.

Pistol rounds: Rare. Best chance to find them in military bases or inside cities (very rare in small towns).

Hunting Rifle rounds: Very rare. Best chance is to find them in isolated houses or farm locales.

MilSpec Rifle rounds: Exceedingly rare. You might, for example find 5 of them after searching every square inch of every building at NW Airfield.

 

Oh, and one more thing. As a person that has lived on a military base, I can tell you that you would NEVER find the guns that easily. Soldiers don't just leave their piece lying on their rack when they step out of the barracks to head over to the post exchange to buy a pack of smokes, m'kay? Them things are locked up TIGHT inside an armory. I should NOT be able to just find one lying on the floor next to some dead soldier's bunk. Thinking about it realistically, if an apocalypse occurred, and killed most of the soldiers on the base instantly or even just very quickly, most of the guns you WOULD find lying around would be pistols, found at the base entry points on the bodies of the MP's......just sayin. 

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Weapons (guns):

 

Pistols:

 

FNx45; Rare, but not exceedingly so. good chance of finding one or two somewhere at NWA.

 

Magnum; Rare, but not exceedingly so. Best chance of finding them in houses or in cities (left behind by law enforcement officials or by private owners

 

Rifles:

 

Mosin (or other hunting style rifles/shotguns): Rare, but not exceedingly so. Best chance to find them in isolated (not in towns or cities) houses or farm locales (left behind by private owners that lived out in the boonies, and thus needed a hunting rifle for hunting or protection from hostile wildlife)

 

M4 (or other MILspec guns): EXCEEDINGLY rare, but not to the point of near impossibility. Best chance of finding one would be at a military base, but good luck. . BEST chance at finding one at all would be at a random spawn in the wilderness (ie crashed heli, abandoned military tent, or other random server event). Currently, these things are FAR too common. I once found TEN of them at balota alone, while server hoping an empty server.

 

Attachments: Rare, in all cases. But not exceedingly so. (includes magazines)

 

AMMO:

 

And here we have the most important issue of all. This stuff is EVERYWHERE. Even without server hoping, I have had NO problem finding enough ammo to fill an entire ammo can and then some, acquiring enough for my M4, my FNx45, AND my magnum to supply myself and an entire platoon. This stuff needs to be HARD AS HELL to find. If, for example, you get lucky and find a SINGLE pistol round under the bed in some house, then it must be your birthday. It should be so rare, that even carrying a gun is a toss up: "Do I take this thing, which takes up 4 inventory slots, and hope I find some bullets, or leave it to make more room for food".

 

As an extension, give us the ability to chamber a single round into our guns, without the need for a magazine.

 

This stuff should not be lying around like the apocalypse happened yesterday and without transition. Like one day everyone woke up a zombie except for a few people. It should be more like, say: "it happened a year ago, and most of the ammo got shot up. Yesterday I found a bullet after searching for hours. Now I have the drop on another player, and I want to kill him and take what is his and make it mine. Do I shoot him? Potentially wasting my bullet if I miss, or if it doesn't kill him? What if it DOES, but he has a friend nearby? I'll give away my position, alert the zeds, tell everyone within 500 meters that something is going down here....shit. Im sweating bullets just THINKING about it. Too bad that's not literal..."

 

Does anyone else see what Im getting at here? We should have to f-ing SCROUNGE to find a bullet! Check every nook and cranny!

 

In order of rarity, starting with the most common (organized by weapon type, NOT caliber):

 

Shotgun shells: Most common round. Good chance that one or two will spawn inside a small village.

Pistol rounds: Rare. Best chance to find them in military bases or inside cities (very rare in small towns).

Hunting Rifle rounds: Very rare. Best chance is to find them in isolated houses or farm locales.

MilSpec Rifle rounds: Exceedingly rare. You might, for example find 5 of them after searching every square inch of every building at NW Airfield.

 

Oh, and one more thing. As a person that has lived on a military base, I can tell you that you would NEVER find the guns that easily. Soldiers don't just leave their piece lying on their rack when they step out of the barracks to head over to the post exchange to buy a pack of smokes, m'kay? Them things are locked up TIGHT inside an armory. I should NOT be able to just find one lying on the floor next to some dead soldier's bunk. Thinking about it realistically, if an apocalypse occurred, and killed most of the soldiers on the base instantly or even just very quickly, most of the guns you WOULD find lying around would be pistols, found at the base entry points on the bodies of the MP's......just sayin. 

 

The fact that you labelled a revolver a pistol shows me you don't know anything about guns.

The FN seems to be a MILspec weapon so it should stay rare.  

The revolver on the other hand is civilian, and handguns are fairly common for home defense along with shotguns.  In a russia like country, I should be finding plenty of these guns.

 

Mosin is no longer a MILspec weapon as far as I know.  It can be used for hunting.

This means that this gun will be very common as well, as it is taking the hunting rifle role or target rifle role.

 

Handgun rounds, shotgun shells, hunting rifle rounds, should all be fairly common.   People don't buy a pack of cartridges especially if one of their main activities is shooting.  They buy ALOT of bullets.  Of course many of them would be used because of the apocalypse, but they should be fairly common.

NATO rounds on the other hand, would not be common at all.  Maybe a few rounds in a school house because a soldier dropped a few rounds because he was shaking, and definitely several magazines worth at the bases. Smart soldiers aren't going to defend the same position all day when they know they would lose ammo, food, and probably get overrun.  Likely they departed in a state of hurry and left a few things.

 

ALL in ALL, nothing should be changed.

[crazykage 1063]

Actually, I DO know a thing or too about guns. Yes, a revolver and a pistol are not the same thing, but they DO fall under the same category (handguns). Lets not debate semantics here.

 

As to the rarity of the revolver, I think it would more likely be found in one of the large cities such as cherno, elektro, or berez, because in MY imagination, I see that being a weapon issued to law enforcement officials.

 

You pretty much agreed with me on the point of the mosin NOT being "milspec".

 

I WILL however agree that the FNx45 might be a military weapon, such as the ones found on the bodies of MP's I mentioned earlier.

 

As to the rarity of ammunition, I disagree. Shot shells should be the most common and easiest to find. Even during the ammunition shortage that hit the states recently, shot shells were easy to come by. Shelves were packed with the things even when it was hard to even find 22 rounds. 9mm, 308, 223 (556), 30-06? NOTHING. but 12 and 20 guage? tons of it.

 

Don't forget that this isn't JUST about realism, but about balancing also. It is FAR FAR too easy to find guns. I don't propose they go so far as to make them non-existent, but as it is now, they are WAY to common. Try it for yourself. Go to NWAF on an empty server that has reset recently. The amount of guns you will find is REDICULOUS. You will find enough weapons and ammo to supply an entire platoon. I GUARENTEE IT.

 

Perhaps guns shouldn't be made to be "TOO" rare. After all, its not as if they get used up. But bullets? THEY at least need to be far less common.

 

And, just to reiterate: Yes, I REALLY do know a thing or two about firearms. I belong to one of the worlds biggest gun clubs. I own two myself. I've shot more calibers and types than I care to list. And I'm a pretty decent shot too (mainly with rifles, not so much with pistols), although that is besides the point.