Thermal Weapons

[zarx 0]

Uhhh I've only ever found one of these guns in a crash site.. They are super rare.. The gun it self is also really weak. It fires a 5.56 round... It still takes 2 shots to kill someone in the body... Honestly you only say its OP because you don't have one now. Heli crashes are a pain in the ass to find and these guns are also super rare. I literally just found my first one the other day. I also literally just found my first M4A1 Holo + 203. Honestly just stop crying and play the game. Next your going to say .50 cals are to OP because they can 1 shot you from 1000+ meters.

[zipper 69]

There is a reason why Dice took the IRNV scope out of BF3...it was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too extremely overpowered. made killing people no fun at all. TBH thermal scopes should be taken out of this mod asap.

FYI they never removed it.

The gun is rare enough as it is, and it has its own disadvantages as well. It is a pretty garbage gun for cqc because of the scope. It is really only good for spotting, which is exactly what thermal is used for anyway. By no means is it not useful during the day either. Whoever said that obviously hasn't ever used it.

It has its pluses and minuses. The good outweighs the bad, but the gun is extremely rare.

[Wulfear 6]

Uhhh I've only ever found one of these guns in a crash site.. They are super rare.. The gun it self is also really weak. It fires a 5.56 round... It still takes 2 shots to kill someone in the body... Honestly you only say its OP because you don't have one now. Heli crashes are a pain in the ass to find and these guns are also super rare. I literally just found my first one the other day. I also literally just found my first M4A1 Holo + 203. Honestly just stop crying and play the game. Next your going to say .50 cals are to OP because they can 1 shot you from 1000+ meters.

Yeah this is exactly what these types are all about. Nerf everything cuz they have no balls. They'd have us running around with dull spoons for weapons if they had their way. FUCK THEM!

[TheBrassThief 3]

To be honest the gun being available at the downed helicopter doesnt make a lot of sense. A multi tonne piece of metal slams into the ground and is now a charred twited wreck. And this finely machined thermal scope with electronics (that need power) just flies out perfectly undamaged? The guns most likely to survive such an event are the M4 and the rough and ready AK. Electronics would be smashed to bits. Or at least damaged. Introduce batteries for the NVG and the thermal scopes. Let players turn them off and on. That might make thermal scopes a riskier investment.

[jani.ehro@gmail.com 1]

Uhhh I've only ever found one of these guns in a crash site.. They are super rare.. The gun it self is also really weak. It fires a 5.56 round... It still takes 2 shots to kill someone in the body... Honestly you only say its OP because you don't have one now. Heli crashes are a pain in the ass to find and these guns are also super rare. I literally just found my first one the other day. I also literally just found my first M4A1 Holo + 203. Honestly just stop crying and play the game. Next your going to say .50 cals are to OP because they can 1 shot you from 1000+ meters.

I am wearing a browned sun burn african face to blend in environment / wildlife. Sadly this does not work against thermal weapons. I am in heat even more than whiteys.

[species5021 28]

It's a great spotters weapon, giving any team carrying it a great advantage. Me and 2 friends got one from a prolonged firefight at an airfield (shouldnt have gone for the cow dude) And we used it to scout out any potential hostile places. But after finding a heli site behind the NW airfield (should have been more cautious here already) we decided to check it, friend with thermal was scanning around and didnt spot anything.

Suddenly i dropped, no shot heard nothing. My 2 friends were set up at different sides of the site across the field and on the hill. One guy was coming down the hill shooting a LAW and dropped my friend on the hill without having to spot him. Then my friend in the field dropped after the firefight had gone on for a while.

They had a thermal spotter and a sniper on the hill overlooking the site, they weren't camping it they just happened on to us when we were rummaging around. Gotta love this game for making something like that possible.

[TheBrassThief 3]

Yeah this is exactly what these types are all about. Nerf everything cuz they have no balls. They'd have us running around with dull spoons for weapons if they had their way. FUCK THEM!

Surely anyone willing to fight a zombie apocalypse with nothing but a spoon has balls of steel.

Id also recommend you try and win people over by convincing them rather than insulting them. When is the last time you listened to anyone who insulted you? I WANT the thermal scope but youre just gonna make everyone want it gone if they think people like YOU are championing the cause.

Thermal scopes need power. Make batteries a resource. More Realism and Thermal scopes become an investment. Its a win win and you get to keep your weapon. That said a high tech piece of machinery like that surviving a chopper crash are slim to none but the drop rate kinda accounts for this. Id say the thermal sight is fine. Survivors need to learn evasion. I never shoot on sight and im a self admitted carebear. If you DIDNT have awesome weapons it would make evading and following you MUCH easier and thus less fun. Its rare as hell as it is and ive rarely needed to evade a thermal scope.

Also a lot of people want less powerfull weapons because nothing is scary down the barrel of a 50 cal. Amnesia the dark descent is creepy and atmospheric because you cant fight the monsters. Silent hill is scary and tense because your weapons are weak, ammo is rare and your enemies are strong. People who want the PVE to be more exciting (because lets be honest its not) would do well to ask for less totally uber powerfull weapons.

I dont agree with the above but its a fair point.

[Wulfear 6]

Yeah this is exactly what these types are all about. Nerf everything cuz they have no balls. They'd have us running around with dull spoons for weapons if they had their way. FUCK THEM!

Surely anyone willing to fight a zombie apocalypse with nothing but a spoon has balls of steel.

Id also recommend you try and win people over by convincing them rather than insulting them. When is the last time you listened to anyone who insulted you? I WANT the thermal scope but youre just gonna make everyone want it gone if they think people like YOU are championing the cause.

Thermal scopes need power. Make batteries a resource. More Realism and Thermal scopes become an investment. Its a win win and you get to keep your weapon. That said a high tech piece of machinery like that surviving a chopper crash are slim to none but the drop rate kinda accounts for this. Id say the thermal sight is fine. Survivors need to learn evasion. I never shoot on sight and im a self admitted carebear. If you DIDNT have awesome weapons it would make evading and following you MUCH easier and thus less fun. Its rare as hell as it is and ive rarely needed to evade a thermal scope.

Also a lot of people want less powerfull weapons because nothing is scary down the barrel of a 50 cal. Amnesia the dark descent is creepy and atmospheric because you cant fight the monsters. Silent hill is scary and tense because your weapons are weak' date=' ammo is rare and your enemies are strong. People who want the PVE to be more exciting (because lets be honest its not) would do well to ask for less totally uber powerfull weapons.

I dont agree with the above but its a fair point.

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No. These people are fucking idiots and I'm not a PR agent. I see the same pattern in all games these days. A pattern that is NEW to gaming. All this "lets nerf this, nerf that. nerf it all!" bullshit needs to end. The devs can't come out and tell these people off, so I will happily do so.

It's fucking senseless. The map is 250kmx2 and one thermal gun is going to turn someone into god? As people have mentioned, it's only really good at medium range and it's on the weaker side. PLUS IS IT RARE AS FUCK!

Not to mention, this is the NEW PLAYER forum.....WTF is this even doing here?

Also championing "realism" reveals a lot about a person. As in, there is only so much you can have, and then you're just being an wishful idiot. Like how often does anyone actually use the in game map?

[Disgraced 1123]

For quite a while, I was against long range weapons.

Im all for leaving them in, WHEN they are actually represented by their supposed rarity.

Frankly, every other player seems to have supposedly rare gear.

The loot tables are a bullshit guide to rarity with duping and server hopping going on.

That said, if they really fix duping, I hope an entire database reset, stem to stern, is part of the fix.

Then, these kinds of weapons might START to reflect their actual rarity.

[alienfreak 6]

Yeah this is exactly what these types are all about. Nerf everything cuz they have no balls. They'd have us running around with dull spoons for weapons if they had their way. FUCK THEM!

Surely anyone willing to fight a zombie apocalypse with nothing but a spoon has balls of steel.

Id also recommend you try and win people over by convincing them rather than insulting them. When is the last time you listened to anyone who insulted you? I WANT the thermal scope but youre just gonna make everyone want it gone if they think people like YOU are championing the cause.

Thermal scopes need power. Make batteries a resource. More Realism and Thermal scopes become an investment. Its a win win and you get to keep your weapon. That said a high tech piece of machinery like that surviving a chopper crash are slim to none but the drop rate kinda accounts for this. Id say the thermal sight is fine. Survivors need to learn evasion. I never shoot on sight and im a self admitted carebear. If you DIDNT have awesome weapons it would make evading and following you MUCH easier and thus less fun. Its rare as hell as it is and ive rarely needed to evade a thermal scope.

Also a lot of people want less powerfull weapons because nothing is scary down the barrel of a 50 cal. Amnesia the dark descent is creepy and atmospheric because you cant fight the monsters. Silent hill is scary and tense because your weapons are weak' date=' ammo is rare and your enemies are strong. People who want the PVE to be more exciting (because lets be honest its not) would do well to ask for less totally uber powerfull weapons.

I dont agree with the above but its a fair point.

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No. These people are fucking idiots and I'm not a PR agent. I see the same pattern in all games these days. A pattern that is NEW to gaming. All this "lets nerf this, nerf that. nerf it all!" bullshit needs to end. The devs can't come out and tell these people off, so I will happily do so.

It's fucking senseless. The map is 250kmx2 and one thermal gun is going to turn someone into god? As people have mentioned, it's only really good at medium range and it's on the weaker side. PLUS IS IT RARE AS FUCK!

Not to mention, this is the NEW PLAYER forum.....WTF is this even doing here?

Also championing "realism" reveals a lot about a person. As in, there is only so much you can have, and then you're just being an wishful idiot. Like how often does anyone actually use the in game map?

Its not rare. Helicopter Crashsites are everywhere and nearly without risk at night with NVGs. And even without you can easily take it with 2 persons.

Last time I played I found 3 choppers with:

1 AS50

2 BisonSD

2 FN FAL

1 LA85A2 CWS

1 Medical Box

1 pile of sh*t

1 M249

1 MK48

Ask me about the last time I found a DMR in a deer stand. And I check a lot of them

[Gruelius 16]

yeah i would say it should be rarer... because dont forget loot usually changes hands quite often so more and more will circulate into the game.

[shruu 2]

We have 5 in our group!

It isnt that rare, everyone with a bit of luck can find it.

[Captain Q 3]

"Found a L85A2 AWS and although the weapon itself is a piece of shit (like 95% of BAF weapons)"

You just don't know how to use it... *sigh*

It's not as good as a few of the other guns, but when you know how to time each shot and actually HIT the target, it's far better than any of it's non-thermal counterparts. Calling it a piece of shit is just far from the truth. The only military gun in the game that title is suitable for would probably be the M24... Now THAT is a piece of shit.

[csharp 47]

We found 4 at one day, sooo rare.. But nobody felt like using it, so we just tossed those weapons to a lake..

But really, i've never heard anybody using that weapon for long, i don't even feel that its a threat. It would be more of a threat if it wouldn't have that zoom. Then i would call it OP.

Overall its not that rare and it's annoying to use = it's not a big deal :/

[Gruelius 16]

its a threat when a team of bandits are using one, if you watch that sacriel video, they spot a ghille guy across the airfield... or something crazy like that.

I feel it shouldnt be in the game but id leave it up to the devs to decide.