[SA Discussion] Crash Sites/Wrecks and their Loot

[Draco122 412]

Starting a thread on this to get an idea, it's been said before but I'm doing it again. Crash sites in general are always a topic of great discussion, such as how many should be on a server at once and are always synonymous with holding super rare loot.

Well for Standalone, I'd like to ask to change that. To stop having Crash Sites act as the means for super rare loot. While it makes it cool and everything, the mod as it is now always only has one or two crash sites with super rare loot and its a little annoying to see that in a apocalypse where you'd see tons of car and truck wrecks you almost never see any plane or helicopter wrecks at all.

An example from an earlier post I made in another thread:

The frequency at which you encounter them should also reflect the location, an example is at Airports. How often do you visit an airport and not see a single plane, whether broken down for repair in a hangar or crashed into the runway. Airports in general should have a higher chance to spawn crashes and wrecks of planes however the chance of finding rare loot is much much less.

The "state" of the crash should also dictate it's loot. Such states include:

• Fresh -
  

Fresh crash, probably landed only a few days ago, sometimes visibly gives out a trail of smoke from a distance. Holds rare loot or lots of loot. Airliners in good condition can be boarded and searched for items. Often spawns ALOT of Zombies. Rare chance to spawn.

• Soft Landing -
  

Plane or Heli sustained a soft landing cannot be flown but can be scavenged for parts for other air vehicles and spawns a decent amount of loot.If often in good condition can be boarded and explored. Rare Chance to spawn.

• Hard Landing -
  

Plane or Heli sustained a hard landing which has destroyed most of its structure, very limited availability for spare parts and most of the loot is "damaged" or destroyed in the crash. Only certain parts can be boarded and searched. Rare to Uncommon chance.

• Totalled Wreck -
  

Plane or Heli crash that is a complete burning wreck or is burned out, gives out thick black smoke. Chance for broken or damaged loot is high with undamaged loot extremely low. Uncommon chance to spawn.

• Old Wreck -
  

An old wreck, has been there a while, rusted occasionally covered in plantlie and often with zero loot around, barring junk items. If in farely good condition, can be boarded and used as a house or shelter. Uncommon to common chance to spawn.

So for standalone, I'd love to see more crash sites and wrecks, whether they are just idle objects in a world or something people can see as an environment attraction. Perhaps even explored internally and/or used as shelter or an improvised base.

An example of some crashes and wrecks alongside their proposed loot chance and types:

Civilian International Jet AirLiners:

Airliners like the Boeing 747 for carrying passengers. Uncommon chance to spawn. Crash sites yield almost always Civilian loot such as:

1. Clothes
   
2. Food/Drink
   
3. Basic Medical (Bandages, Painkillers)
   
4. Industrial Scrap
   
5. Flashlights and batteries
   
6. Flares
   
7. Flare gun (Rare)
   
8. Melee Weapons (Pipes and Scrap Junk that can be used as weapons)
   

Civilian Fixed Wing aircraft:

Planes like the AN-2 Colt or the Cessna 172, most common crash site as I believe they'd be the most prevelant plane on Chernarus. Common to uncommon chance to spawn. Commonly spawns Civilian Loot:

1. Clothes
   
2. Food/Drink
   
3. Industrial Scrap
   
4. Melee Weapons (both improvised and common, Knives, Machetes, Hatchets)
   
5. Civilian Weapons (Low to Medium tier civilian weapons)
   
6. Military Weapons (Low tier military weapons)
   
7. Light items (Chemlights, Flares, Flashlights)
   
8. Flare Gun
   
9. Survival Items
   

Civilian Cargo

Civilian Cargo planes, filled with miscellanous Cargo, Rare chance to spawn. Contains large amounts of miscellanous civilian loot such as:

1. Clothes
   
2. Food/Drink
   
3. Occassional Vehicle (Car, Bikes, Trucks all in bad condition)
   
4. Various Items
   
5. Industrial Items
   

Military Cargo

Military Cargo plane like the C-130 that was carrying Military grade equipment or relief materials. Houses ALOT of equipment depending on its crashed state. Rare chance to spawn. Such items include:

1. Military Clothes
   
2. Military Weapons (Low to Medium Tier with rare chance to spawn High Tier)
   
3. Food/Drink (MRE's, Water Canteens)
   
4. Military Equipment (NVG's, Flashlights, Chemlights, Flares)
   
5. Flare Gun
   
6. Explosives (Grenades, Satchel Charges extremely rare chance for these to spawn intact)
   
7. Military Vehicles (all in bad condition)
   
8. Containment Cells for Infected (likely carrying Infected to a secure location, gives high chance of catching infections and diseases, spawns ALOT of Infected)
   

Military Transport

Military troop transports, usually Helicopters. Various types of Helicopter indicate what kind of loot it is. Almost always spawns Military loot of various tiers. Very Rare chance to spawn.

• Russian Mi-8 - Spawns Russian Low to Medium Tier Weapons and Equipment
  

• KA-60 - Spawns High tier Russian Weapons and Equipment
  

• US Huey - Spawns US Low to Medium Tier Weapons and Equipment
  

• US Blackhawk - Spawn High Tier US Weapons & Equipment
  

• British Chinook - Spawns Low to Medium Tier British Weapons and Equipment
  

• British Sea king - Spawns High Tier British Weapons and Equipment
  

Abandoned Derelicts

Old, often abandoned derelict planes, like an world war 2 Bomber or fighter or an abandoned sea plane. Spawns no real loot bar junk items. Could lead to unique items only found on these derelict planes.

Some examples:

• Abandoned Catalina Seaplane
  
• Derelict Soviet MIG Fighter -
  
• Abandoned Plane submerged in sand, possible inclusion for the new Swamps in Standalone -
  

Edited April 28, 2013 by Draco122

[dulix11 731]

I've posted this before, didn't get much attention, but still, beans for you, I like it.

[Chaingunfighter 917]

This is an awesome idea, a couple criticisims

'Civilian International Jet AirLiners'

I don't think a civilian Jet Airliner would really have a flare gun on them, unless it was really pure circumstances or someone smuggled one on board. The only planes I've ever seen with them are gigantic Boeing 757s that fly 1st class, and you probably wouldn't have any at Chernarus (at least often). Even if one did spawn, the algorithim that determined where it could spawn would have to be very well coded because Jet Airliners are MASSIVE and would probably clip with trees or bushes.

'Civilian Fixed Wing Aircraft'

Well, these would be cool. I don't think finding military weapons at civilian crash sites is a good idea, they are civilian for a reason.

'Civilian Cargo'

This idea is not bad, I think you really should have just merged it with the military one, because for the most part any civilian cargo is either going to be flown via airmail on passenger planes or on military transport planes (like the C-130). I also really doubt a vehicle in working condition is going to survive a plane crash. It would be interesting to see vehicle wrecks around or inside a plane so you could tell, but unless it's a really soft landing they would probably not survive.

'Military Cargo'

This idea is good, but again; no working vehicles. Maybe vehicles that can be scavenged for weapons or other things. (I'd personally like it if you could take a weapon like a Browning M2HB off of a tripod or wrecked vehicle and use it later on your own). Also, NVGs should be super rare, and the loot should be around the same as a UH-1Y crash site.

'Military Transport'

On the British note, there really aren't any low tier British items (The only ones that spawn from what I know are the AS-50 and the L85A2 with ACOGs, and the Army Uniform). I really think that British items should leave in the SA, they just don't make sense to have.

Also, I think there should be VERY few crash sites on the map in general, where limits should be placed on how many crash sites are allowed on the map. Maybe you get lucky and find an Airbus or maybe you're wandering on the coast and sea an old seaplane floating in the water.

I think I missed the point, though, which was that you wanted more variety in the crash sites you find around the map. Which I agree on, the only ones you can find are UH-1Ys right now. It would be nice and fun if you could find others.

It would be interesting to see 'Ground' or 'Ocean' crash sites. Meaning randomly generated crashed convoys, or vehicles or boats.

This thread's got my beans.

[Draco122 412]

This is an awesome idea, a couple criticisims

'Civilian International Jet AirLiners'

I don't think a civilian Jet Airliner would really have a flare gun on them, unless it was really pure circumstances or someone smuggled one on board. The only planes I've ever seen with them are gigantic Boeing 757s that fly 1st class, and you probably wouldn't have any at Chernarus (at least often). Even if one did spawn, the algorithim that determined where it could spawn would have to be very well coded because Jet Airliners are MASSIVE and would probably clip with trees or bushes.

'Civilian Fixed Wing Aircraft'

Well, these would be cool. I don't think finding military weapons at civilian crash sites is a good idea, they are civilian for a reason.

'Civilian Cargo'

This idea is not bad, I think you really should have just merged it with the military one, because for the most part any civilian cargo is either going to be flown via airmail on passenger planes or on military transport planes (like the C-130). I also really doubt a vehicle in working condition is going to survive a plane crash. It would be interesting to see vehicle wrecks around or inside a plane so you could tell, but unless it's a really soft landing they would probably not survive.

'Military Cargo'

This idea is good, but again; no working vehicles. Maybe vehicles that can be scavenged for weapons or other things. (I'd personally like it if you could take a weapon like a Browning M2HB off of a tripod or wrecked vehicle and use it later on your own). Also, NVGs should be super rare, and the loot should be around the same as a UH-1Y crash site.

'Military Transport'

On the British note, there really aren't any low tier British items (The only ones that spawn from what I know are the AS-50 and the L85A2 with ACOGs, and the Army Uniform). I really think that British items should leave in the SA, they just don't make sense to have.

Also, I think there should be VERY few crash sites on the map in general, where limits should be placed on how many crash sites are allowed on the map. Maybe you get lucky and find an Airbus or maybe you're wandering on the coast and sea an old seaplane floating in the water.

I think I missed the point, though, which was that you wanted more variety in the crash sites you find around the map. Which I agree on, the only ones you can find are UH-1Ys right now. It would be nice and fun if you could find others.

It would be interesting to see 'Ground' or 'Ocean' crash sites. Meaning randomly generated crashed convoys, or vehicles or boats.

This thread's got my beans.

The reason for carrying low tier military weapons on fixed wing Civilian aircraft was ways to inspire people to think that during the early outbreak those who tried to flee and were shot down in planes could have very well stolen a military issue weapon (something low tier such as a AK-74 or AKS-74U)

The British Equipment was an error on my part, I had intended there only be high tier british loot and I think they do serve a purpose in Chernarus, perhaps British Forces aided the US in qaurantine efforts or humantarian relief efforts

[Chaingunfighter 917]

But if it was early in the outbreak then wouldn't the weapons have been taken?

[WiFiN 55]

Good idea. It might fit well with this one.

[roykingtree 125]

I hope the devs see this thread. Helicopter crashes should really be very rare. It's somewhat strange [the lore] that multiple military helicopters keep crashing every 6 hours (or however long restart is). IMHO a helicopter crash should only happen once every month at most. That would make high powered weapons even more valuable.