Optic with magnification or optic with no magnification in general?

[war wolf 1]

So I have run into a dilemma recently. Basically, I have a choice between a rifle with a scope offering magnification and a rifle with iron/cco optic. Which do you feel would be better in general? Recently, I have noticed that although the red dot is better in the city; in open fields I am open season for players with scoped weapons. The red dot sadly, does not allow for the precision needed to make those 100+ meter shots quickly. I am usually shot before I can effectively return fire. Does these scenarios represent the majority of dayz engagements? If so, are scoped weapons best, or am I simply out of practice? I thank you for your thoughtful reply.

[TheBambiAvenger 146]

It all really depends on your playstyle. I prefer ranged weapons because i don't get too up close and personal. However, high powered scopes encourage tunnel vision, so make sure you don't get tempted.

Edited March 11, 2013 by TheBambiAvenger

[-Gews- 7443]

Irons < Red dot < Scope

That's my preference. An M14 ACOG would be oh-so-sweet. :lol:

[applejaxc 2500]

So I have run into a dilemma recently. Basically, I have a choice between a rifle with a scope offering magnification and a rifle with iron/cco optic. Which do you feel would be better in general? Recently, I have noticed that although the red dot is better in the city; in open fields I am open season for players with scoped weapons. The red dot sadly, does not allow for the precision needed to make those 100+ meter shots quickly. I am usually shot before I can effectively return fire. Does these scenarios represent the majority of dayz engagements? If so, are scoped weapons best, or am I simply out of practice? I thank you for your thoughtful reply.

Before I tell you my opinion, let me say that I play with my "From Hip" reticle disabled because I like the disadvantage it gives me against other players, and it forces me to be a better marksmen (with iron sights).

Regardless of your choice, you should play some missions in ArmA 2/OA and make some of your own with as many different weapon types as you can to get a feel for the game. I personally came make 300 meter shots with the M14 Aimpoint and pathetically miss a target that's standing still at 100 meters with my sniper's rifle.

My first tip for choosing weapons is avoid major cities, fields, forests, towns, cars, outskirts, the coast... basically, don't spend any time on the map if you can help it; you're apt to get shot no matter where you are. I've learned that no matter what weapon you choose, you'll be forced to use it at a really crappy time-like I'll bring a AI rifle into a city and fight a shotgun or I'll take a winchester into the forest and fight a LMG. It's really an issue to adapt.

The shortest and best answer is get yourself a coyote assault pack and carry a sniper rifle in your back pack at all times. That's what I normally a do, though good backpacks can be frustratingly rare. If this isn't an option:

The sniper rifle is a good choice to me, unless it's the SVD (the SVD is inconsistently accurate and is a piece of crap). I can "No scope" (as those annoying CoD kids say) in DayZ just fine. I like having the scope for varying ranges and for rooftop/counter-Bandit sniping.

If you are going to pick a sniper rifle, choose anything that isn't a M24, the SVD, or the American camoed sniper (the name escapes me right now). These sniper rifles aren't bad, but they all carry small amounts of ammo per magazine and the SVD is...ugh...I would personally suggest the DMR if you have NVGs (30 rounds/magazine, can be used with NVGs!) or AS50 (10 rounds/M107 magazine, lower recoil than the M107, semi-automatic). The AS50 won't see you through a close-quarters gunfight, though; the only thing you'll be hitting is the floor when a horde of zombies cut you down. I also take the liberty of shooting anyone that isn't a hero if they have an AMR; who the hell needs an AMR to kill a zombie?!

As for scopes... depending on what servers you play on, choose assault rifles that have an ACOG scope. This works a lot like a sniper rifle's magnification scope (though it is confusing at first), and you can hit / on the number pad to change to iron sights-it's the best of both worlds.

The SA58 has an ACOG, and I believe some DayZ maps will have M16 w/ ACOGs. Don't quote me on that!

To recap: I like sniper rifles, and would suggest one-but only if you have a PDW. When in doubt, choose the assault rifle (especially if you find 3 or more magazines of ammo!).

[applejaxc 2500]

Irons < Red dot < Scope

That's my preference. An M14 ACOG would be oh-so-sweet. :lol:

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I know a few PvP servers that have custom weapons. There's one (look up SuperTaco PvP) that has every single possible combination. I have a M14SD + M203 launcher + iron sights + flashlight + holds M249 LMG magazines, Fal magazines, or normal DMR magazines. It took me about 43 scrap metals and a tire to make it.

[declan223@gmail.com 271]

Irons < Red dot < Scope

That's my preference. An M14 ACOG would be oh-so-sweet. :lol:

I know, 7.62x51mm ACOG; all I want for standalone.

Edit: Thanks for the pics aswell

Edited March 11, 2013 by Shrimpy223

[Claw 26]

G36k has an acog and a cco scope. Only 556 i know. Also has a rangefinder. L85 acog same but no range finder. Unless your target is really far then these guns are ideal for most situations and perfect if you are just carrying one primary.

[Claw 26]

I know, 7.62x51mm ACOG; all I want for standalone.

Edit: Thanks for the pics aswell

The g3 acog is in oring loot pile :) 7.62 with an acog, sounds amazing as well

[BioHazard050 49]

Doesn't the SA58 ACOG have a BUIS (back up iron sight) on top of the ACOG? And i know the G36 has a combo optic (though the scope mode is a pain to figure out what range the crosshairs are set at.)

I have added a few guns to my server that have a combination red dot/ACOG sighting system (L85 ACOG, and a few MK16 variants.)

Edited March 11, 2013 by BioHazard050

[Claw 26]

Not sure not used the sa58 acog, possible thou. Yeah they actually messed up the g36 k scope in arma, its a litte out from rl settings. Once you spend 20 mins on the range you can figure put the x hairs. Im a big L varient fanboy, would of preffered the l86 to be in dayz rather than the l85.

[war wolf 1]

Ok, thanks for the input. I was curious about the general range most encounters start at as well. Got sniped by 2 men two days ago with a dmr. About 100m out. I had an M14 AIM, but couldn't line them up before they killed me. Looks like snipers have the advantage anywhere but point blank.... As a side note, I have tried the M16A4 acog and it does not have any alternate optics beside the magnified acog. I am assuming Apple and Bio were referring to the new G36A and SA-58 with a magnified optic/iron or cco.

[Claw 26]

I imagine if an average was taken it woyld be 100 and below but this could be map dependant and how you play. As far as snipers are concerned if the server doesnt have cross hsir then you will dind less will use a sniper so close in however if you use the gun for a while you can get used to firing from the hip. Yeah m16 has only the acog scope. And if you didnt know if you line up the horizonzal lines to match targets shoulders then that will give you your zero.