Why this game is headed in the wrong direction

[Kolchak (DayZ) 5]

First of all, stop listening to the "community" most of them are jaded antisocial kids hiding behind excuses like realism and often the word "hardcore". Second, until loot gets hashed out, there really isn't a point playing. There is no food, some people say kill zombies, that's still a crapshoot, I shot 25+ zombies last night and only one of them had food on him. Spawn rate on animals seems to be down too, barely even saw any rabbits. So yah, come back once the loot is fixed. Third, where you search for weapons makes a big difference. Civilian weapons are best found in loft barns, long barns, and pig houses. They have the most spawn points. Oh and use the cans you find, throw them to lure zombies where you want them.

[Da_Reapa1 4]

I've played this game four hours today' date=' and have never once laid my hands on a gun. I have a flashlight, a bandage, and some painkillers. They can see that I don't even have a gun, but people will still pump assault rifle rounds into me just to make sure I don't live. You know what the worst part about that is? I can't blame them, because they're making the right choice, and I would do the same in their position.

I'm not just talking about this patch. I'm talking about in general. Trying to encourage player cooperation is not the way to try and make this game better. The people who want to play the game as a CoD simulator with npcs will always play like that, and that's the majority of the player base. They don't care about surviving; they care about killing. There is nothing you will ever be able to do to change that.

I WANT to cooperate with people. The first person I ever ran into on a server three days ago was a friendly, and we played together for a couple hours. I've met one other friendly since then. Every other of the dozens of people I've met since have shot at me on sight.

Cooperating with others is stupid. If I walk up behind someone, I have three choices. Try to get away, shoot them in the back, or try to initiate contact. Assuming the first is not an option considering they will most likely see me in the hour it take to crawl away from them, there are realistically two things to do.

If I shoot the person, I get stuff. Happy me. I wouldn't even feel guilty. Why wouldn't I? Because I don't care about other people? No. It's because if I let him live, ask him if he's friendly, he'd probably kill me too. There's no reason to let him live. He doesn't have a gun and isn't a threat to me? Guess what, he's also no use to me like that. He'll just add to the chance of aggroing zombies and will still probably put a bullet in my brain the second he gets his hands on one.

Everything done to "encourage cooperation" only makes it harder for people who don't have shiny stuff to get shiny stuff. The people with shiny stuff can last for days and weeks, while the rest sometimes spawn on an island, or catch aggro without even taking a single step. The zombie buffs are actually a direct buff to people who have anything more than a flashlight, and the rest of use are left to die.

I'm going to try playing this game one more time tomorrow, with two friends. If by some chance we find a weapon, we'll be sure to gun down every stranger we see only for the fear that they would do the same to us. If that doesn't work out, I'm done with this game for good. I bought Arma 2 just for this mod, and now I'm really hoping that the rest of the game will be worth the thirty dollars without DayZ.

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If you arent finding a gun you arent searching the right places. I have survived long enough to get a gun several times now starting with nothing

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[redsh1rt 24]

I don't understand how you can play the game for 4 hours and not find a single gun. My last life I found an MP5 in 10 minutes, killed a guy with an M4 with no ammo 5 minutes after that, found stanag rounds 5 minutes later so went back for the M4... found an M16 10 minutes later so dropped my M4 for it... 20 minutes later 3 players with AK's/M4 were firing at dozens of zombies, so I killed them from 400m away and picked up an AK74 kobra. Then the next day a hacker instantly killed me in the middle of a forest (no shots fired, my friend was behind me), which was awesome - karma for being a big bad bandit I guess :)

This life 10 minutes in I found a crappy pistol, then a lee enfield moments later.... 2 buildings later a guy with an AKM attacks me... and now currently I have his gun. How can people not find guns?

If you're looking to cooperate with people then get some friends and join mumble or teamspeak and work together. Then you can choose whether to play as survivors, or as bandits, heck... or as pirates! YAARRRRR!

Incentivising cooperation among survivors is a tough issue to deal with, too little and there's no point trusting anyone... too much and the game has no risk (if you die one of the 10 guys you're buddied with picks your gear up and gives you it back as just one example). I'd be fine with bandit skins coming back, I liked that.

You have bandits who will always kill you, you'll have your own friends on VOIP that won't... and then you have a bunch of random people that all have their own agendas.

[ZedsDeadBaby 2287]

Trying to encourage player cooperation is not the way to try and make this game better. The people who want to play the game as a CoD simulator with npcs will always play like that' date=' and that's the majority of the player base.

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It's always so amazing how "the majority" of the playerbase is always exactly whatever it happens to need to be to support the current bitch-and-moan-fest.

Seriously.

The majority?

:P

[chickenbandit 2]

Here we go again. same thread different words..... butthurt players is still butthurt.

you wanna complain? then do it in one of the other 100 threads on this subject that none gives a f about.

Here we go with another kitted out person' date=' and/or who has groups to play with. To shit on players, because doesn't matter to you.

When you die to a guy on the beach, because has a gun, and you don't you will be annoyed as well.

Its not like OP is saying remove PvP, he is making valid points. What is yours "QQ more, trolololol?"

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Man the fuck up bro. I'm not "kitted out" and I still think you're an idiot. I died last night thanks to ATV physics being pants on head retarded, so I had to start again. And you know what I did? I got an AK-74u with 6 clips, two ghillie suits, an M1911 with more clips than I can count, an ALICE pack, and loads of medical supplies all within the space of an hour.

This game isn't hard, honestly. YOU need to adapt to the game, quit trying to force the game to adapt to you when you clearly don't have the desire to make the effort to learn it. It's like telling FIFA they need to make the goal wider, or telling whatever organization runs cricket that it needs less damn rules.

[septuscap 42]

No game forced penalties are needed. What is need is available tools for people to enforce their own penalties on people.

Intel' date=' Familiarity, notoriety. The ability to construct (and destroy) radio towers to broadcast said things to others which then allows them to I.D hostiles, friendlies and groups etc through colour coded and distance based text.

Long story short. Dayz needs Toolz. Not arbitrary penalties. That said I still like the heartbeat idea since we need a gut feeling mechanic.

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I like the way you move.

[icec0ld 0]

Here we go again. same thread different words..... butthurt players is still butthurt.

you wanna complain? then do it in one of the other 100 threads on this subject that none gives a f about.

Here we go with another kitted out person' date=' and/or who has groups to play with. To shit on players, because doesn't matter to you.

When you die to a guy on the beach, because has a gun, and you don't you will be annoyed as well.

Its not like OP is saying remove PvP, he is making valid points. What is yours "QQ more, trolololol?"

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Man the fuck up bro. I'm not "kitted out" and I still think you're an idiot. I died last night thanks to ATV physics being pants on head retarded, so I had to start again. And you know what I did? I got an AK-74u with 6 clips, two ghillie suits, an M1911 with more clips than I can count, an ALICE pack, and loads of medical supplies all within the space of an hour.

This game isn't hard, honestly. YOU need to adapt to the game, quit trying to force the game to adapt to you when you clearly don't have the desire to make the effort to learn it. It's like telling FIFA they need to make the goal wider, or telling whatever organization runs cricket that it needs less damn rules.

Interesting.

1. Claims to not be "kitted out".

2. Explains how "kitted out" he actually is.

Forums are a place for feedback. Telling someone to man up and F off for stating his feedback (far more reasonably and allot better backed than yours) is basically a nice way of signalling how putrid you are as a member of the community.

No This isn't like telling FIFA they need to make the goal wider. No, this is more like if FIFA instigated a spiked, flaming football as mandatory equipment. Sure we're still kicking it around but damn it, it's unneeded, over punishing, making it harder to play and most of all making the game look retarded as people like beg for more...

[switch296 20]

The murder rate is dropping since 1.7.1.1

If you start putting in shitty unrealistic penalties for some people playing the game they want, DayZ will become another piece of shit mainstream game that forces you to play the game the way you SHOULD play it, not the way you WANT to play it.

DayZ is becoming more popular with every passing day so obviously the game is going in the right direction, if you don't enjoy it, then perhaps it is not the game for you!

[septuscap 42]

The murder rate is dropping since 1.7.1.1

Players in the last 24h seems to be dropping too.

Obv penalties for PK'ing is not the way to go, not disagreeing with you there.

[Hze 3]

Here we go again. same thread different words..... butthurt players is still butthurt.

you wanna complain? then do it in one of the other 100 threads on this subject that none gives a f about.

let me guess' date=' your one of them shooting harmless people with no gear?

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How about using your head and scouting before advancing? If you know players are somewhere and you are unarmed' date=' stay out of sight. There are plenty of smaller towns to find a pistol or food. The cities are supposed to be dangerous and if you are unarmed going into one, prepare to die.

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wrong, i went into cherno, unarmed, and found myself an AK, and i ran through the town.

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I'm going to try playing this game one more time tomorrow' date=' with two friends. If by some chance we find a weapon, we'll be sure to gun down every stranger we see only for the fear that they would do the same to us. If that doesn't work out, I'm done with this game for good. I bought Arma 2 just for this mod, and now I'm really hoping that the rest of the game will be worth the thirty dollars without DayZ.

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All I hear is "whine, whine whine." I would be more sympathetic of your opinion if you hadn't have said what I quoted. Seriously? Rocket has said multiple times that he's just trying these things out. The mod is in ALPHA. If you're really that impatient, I actually highly encourage you to remove the DayZ mod from your computer. (I hate to be that guy, but posts like this really get on my nerves now.)

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i think we should penalize you for dieing

i think a 24 hour ban if you die

It shouldn't be anything that serious' date=' really. Maybe a 24 hour timeout from that server, then 15-20 minutes timeout from the game in general? I think that'd be nice. Something to simulate death would hopefully keep the assholes at bay.

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stupid idea, people kill you if you have nothing on you, even when you spawn.

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bounty system, players with x amount of humanity get known, and everyone gets told the city they are in, person who kills them gets a tent full of reasources (as there is no money)

[mattiaspetersen@yahoo.dk 1]

Here we go again. same thread different words..... butthurt players is still butthurt.

you wanna complain? then do it in one of the other 100 threads on this subject that none gives a f about.

let me guess' date=' your one of them shooting harmless people with no gear?

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Ok there is no harmless people first of all. And why would i shoot people with no gear? You have nothing of value except if you ran from spawnbeach to an airfeld and tried to loot, then yea i would shoot.

Everyone dies. This mod was not made for people to live in. It was how long you could stay alive for.

I die too and sometimes i do get raped by the beach. Some find their fun by killing helpless people. Let em? Your not losing anything.

[daedrick 90]

...and thus continuing the endless cycle of stupidity.

Afraid of being afraid, thats what you are and every morons who shoot unarmed players. I really noticed that when I have got an encounter on top of a mountain with another player.

As I was attempting to repair an ATV, he shot at me, and missed. I turned around and started running in circle trying to figure out where he was. When I saw him I move toward him while lowering my weapon and yelling Im friendly, he shot again, and missed. I said; WOOOH WOOH IM FRIENDLY DAMNIT as I was reaching him. His accent was strong so his english was definatly not his first language.

I was in a ghillie suit and had an assault rifle while he was in civilian cloth and also had an assault rifle. But he was a poor shot, and definatly too quick on the trigger for his own sake. He didn't take time to aim.

So, Im near him, running in circle around him and yelling ''lower your weapon''. He lowered it, then raised it again. So I started going in circle again and yelled again ''LOWER YOUR WEAPON''.

Then the guy went running stance, fell to the group, and disapeared in 5 seconds. Because I realise what happenned, he had already logged off. He was so scared to lose his loosy rifle and the rest of his gear that instead of trying to talk, or even kill me, logged off. How pathetic is that?

Well, that whole story was to point out the current attitude of a majority of players, especialy the unexperienced ones, like you. You are so afraid of losing your useless gear that take 1 hour to get back when you know where to look and are careful that instead of trying to figure out way to cooperate and survive, you shoot at each other blindlessly because MAYBE that guy when he find a gun, MAYBE, he will turn on you and steal your shity bag and winchester.

The game is headed in the right direction, by all means. The problem is you, and your spoiled child behavior. Afraid of everything. In this game, if you want to pug, you have to make a leap of faith, and thats what make it so great.

Also, buying a game for a mod without making any research, another failed spoiled kid behavior.