Russian Crashed Helicopters

[Gordon Axeman 191]

Hi everyone. I think many of you have played Namalsk and saw the crashed choppers there. These are somewhat alike crashed Mi-8 Transporter (look up here.) So why not to implement them in Chernarus along with American UH-1Y? I think it's logical for Russia to send recon groups to a post-soviet country.

The mechanic may remain the same, but weapons are different. A quick list:

AK-107 PSO

KSVK

SVD (non-camo and camo versions!)

AN-94 "Abakan" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN-94) - uses AK-74 mags

OC-14 "Thunder" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OC-14-4A) - uses AKM mags

AK-74 Kobra with GP-25 grenade launcher (analog of m4a1 holo m203)

PKM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PK_machine_gun) - night vision scope version available too

About the technics now. Any other weapons are not spawned. Loot piles should remain the same, but American ammo is replaced with Russian ones. 

Such choppers spawn in game along with the American ones. The number remains the same, the chance of spawning one of two kinds is 50/50 (50% for UH-1Y and 50% for Mi-8).

I hope for good replies and constructive criticism. Reserving a post for people ideas now ;) Comment and share your beans!

Edited November 5, 2012 by Kpekep2

[Gordon Axeman 191]

Sutinen suggested adding AS VAL into the crashed Mi-8 loot as an alternative to FN FAL. Very interesting, wiki link here

Also he suggested removing Abakan (IMO not a good idea).

Edited November 5, 2012 by Kpekep2

[Gordon Axeman 191]

Any replies?

[starwarsfan@gmx.de 450]

We need less of these not more.

[Gordon Axeman 191]

We need less of these not more.

Such choppers spawn in game along with the American ones. The number remains the same, the chance of spawning one of two kinds is 50/50 (50% for UH-1Y and 50% for Mi-8).

Think I understand you, but this is not the point of the thread. Rocket has already promised to increase rarity of loot.

Edited November 5, 2012 by Kpekep2

[starwarsfan@gmx.de 450]

There are still too many helicopter crashes in the game, as well as to much high grade weaponry.

[Gordon Axeman 191]

There are still too many helicopter crashes in the game, as well as to much high grade weaponry.

Please try understanding me. I don't suggest to double the number of crashes, I suggest things to vary. The model is simple: before this server had 4 crashes, all UH-1Y. Now it has the same 4 crashes, but 2 of them are UH-1Y, and 2 are Mi-8. Why not?

[starwarsfan@gmx.de 450]

Please try understanding me. I don't suggest to double the number of crashes, I suggest things to vary. The model is simple: before this server had 4 crashes, all UH-1Y. Now it has the same 4 crashes, but 2 of them are UH-1Y, and 2 are Mi-8. Why not?

You should try undterstanding me. I'm saying there currently are too many helicopter crashes and too much high grade weaponry. Your suggestion doesn't change anything about the number of crashes, you want it to stay the same - again I'm saying we need less. You're suggesting to add more weapon variants, while not removing the other ones and I'm saying we already have enough of that and don't need more.

Sure there could be other helicopters with different equipment but why? It's really just a weapons/equipment farm and I really don't see the point in them anyway. They should be much more rare and not a garanteed 4 crashes on every server, if that'd be the case I have nothing against a little variance.

[Gordon Axeman 191]

You should try undterstanding me. I'm saying there currently are too many helicopter crashes and too much high grade weaponry. Your suggestion doesn't change anything about the number of crashes, you want it to stay the same - again I'm saying we need less. You're suggesting to add more weapon variants, while not removing the other ones and I'm saying we already have enough of that and don't need more.

Sure there could be other helicopters with different equipment but why? It's really just a weapons/equipment farm and I really don't see the point in them anyway. They should be much more rare and not a garanteed 4 crashes on every server, if that'd be the case I have nothing against a little variance.

The number 4 was just an example, I don't know the real one. I understand you. The solution was already suggested - scattering them more around the map. Even now it's hard to find a crash site if you don't have a vehicle.

Again, this is off-topic. Though you have a point.

[indominator 95]

another weapon wishlist, like always use search function.

to encourage teamwork good loot will be more rare, just like the helicopters. ok, so you want more weapon variations, theres namalsk and the other maps, in the SA weapons will be objects containing each some alterations damage, add ons and stuff. IMO the only gun that we should add is the 22 cal, its common and weak, also has loads of ammo.

[starwarsfan@gmx.de 450]

The solution was already suggested - scattering them more around the map.

That's not a solution, if you have a helicopter you can easily farm them even if they are scattered more around the map - if that's even possible. Besides, the whole heli crash site doesn't make sense anyway. The 'Zombies' in this game are not undead, so all those 'Zombies' that roam around the crash site shouldn't be there, because no one would have survived a crash like that and even if by a rare chance someone did they'd be heavily wounded. This in turn would make the crash site and even easier loot farm than it is right now.

So like I said, they should be a lot more rare and not be garanteed to spawn on the map at all. If that was true, you can a add all the variations you want.

Oh and yes, weapon and equipment suggestions go here: http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/97659-consolidated-weaponsequipment-suggestions/

[Mos1ey 6301]

I'd like to see some similar but different stuff.

What about crashed/abandoned ambulances with med supplies?

[Gordon Axeman 191]

That's not a solution, if you have a helicopter you can easily farm them even if they are scattered more around the map - if that's even possible. Besides, the whole heli crash site doesn't make sense anyway. The 'Zombies' in this game are not undead, so all those 'Zombies' that roam around the crash site shouldn't be there, because no one would have survived a crash like that and even if by a rare chance someone did they'd be heavily wounded. This in turn would make the crash site and even easier loot farm than it is right now.

So like I said, they should be a lot more rare and not be garanteed to spawn on the map at all. If that was true, you can a add all the variations you want.

Oh and yes, weapon and equipment suggestions go here: http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/97659-consolidated-weaponsequipment-suggestions/

Anyway, this is the wrong thread to complain about this. I suggested a whole conception and not an item. If you are against crash sites - start a f***ing topic, stop attacking the other people. Don't post off-topic any more. You always dislike everything Ashwood.

[starwarsfan@gmx.de 450]

Anyway, this is the wrong thread to complain about this. I suggested a whole conception and not an item. If you are against crash sites - start a f***ing topic, stop attacking the other people. Don't post off-topic any more. You always dislike everything Ashwood.

lol, how is it off-topic? your talking about adding/altering the crashed helicopter mechanics.

First you whine about no replies and when someone dies reply but says something critical you whine about that as well.

You always dislike everything Ashwood.

Kinda wierd how I have become infamous for that on parts of this forum. But last time I checked I'm allowed to freely voice my opinion on this Forum, unlike other Forums of games that I will not name.

[Gordon Axeman 191]

lol, how is it off-topic? your talking about adding/altering the crashed helicopter mechanics.

First you whine about no replies and when someone dies reply but says something critical you whine about that as well.

Kinda wierd how I have become infamous for that on parts of this forum. But last time I checked I'm allowed to freely voice my opinion on this Forum, unlike other Forums of games that I will not name.

I haven't whined. I just asked. I called your post off-topic because the thread is about design and loot, not about rarity of the choppers. I say that we need one more type of heli crashes and you say that heli crashes should be much more rare. These are close, yet separate topics.

About your opinion: you are free, but telling everyone that their ideas are shit and then escaping into another subject - that is weird. Make a topic about your idea and defend it, I'll see how you will do. Really, James, I'm not trying to offend you, but your approach is a bit strange. If you don't like something, draw your concept.

Edited November 5, 2012 by Kpekep2

[decoman 45]

I hope someone can go check if the camera placement for the pilot in the Mi-8 is correct, because when I flew it in arma2 forward visibility out the window seemed so bad despite all the large windows, as if the head of the pilot was wrongly placed too high.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfHU25sNWjI

[decoman 45]

*double post*

Edited November 5, 2012 by Treehugger

[Sutinen 635]

Groza is a 9x39 rifle isn't it? I would leave the modern AN-94 out and add some spetsnaz rifles in. Maybe Groza and Val (With a night optic variant, to replace FAL) as heli exclusives. While at it, remove the current helis completely, only leaving the Bizon from the old loot.

[starwarsfan@gmx.de 450]

About your opinion: you are free, but telling everyone that their ideas are shit and then escaping into another subject - that is weird.

I suppose telling the truth is weird to some people.

Make a topic about your idea and defend it, I'll see how you will do. Really, James, I'm not trying to offend you, but your approach is a bit strange. If you don't like something, draw your concept.

I've posted one or two ideas of mine on this forum, though I don't think I had to defend them and I don't think I would or should.

Edit: Actually lets make this easy for you. I'll link you to my ideas and you can have a go at them:

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/95879-dead-bodies-and-dormant-zeds/page__view__findpost__p__902737

http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/94072-dynamic-random-events/page__view__findpost__p__884023

Edited November 5, 2012 by James Ashwood

[joeoblong@yahoo.com 614]

Honestly no matter how many crash sites there are as long as the admin can freely restart the servers, loot will be easy to come by. They should make it timed every 24/48 hours the crash sites will cycle thru.

(easy admins) I don't want you to lose the ability to restart, just make the crashsites less common.

OP I would love to see different type crash sites with different loot. Add more stuff, lessen the percentage of each to spawn!

[Gordon Axeman 191]

Okay, I'll put an end to this endless conversation, Ashwood. Think I'll make a large general topic about the choppers.

[Gordon Axeman 191]

Groza is a 9x39 rifle isn't it? I would leave the modern AN-94 out and add some spetsnaz rifles in. Maybe Groza and Val (With a night optic variant, to replace FAL) as heli exclusives. While at it, remove the current helis completely, only leaving the Bizon from the old loot.

Good thoughts. Included to community modifications list.