DemonGroover

I have hope for the SA. Regardless of the 1st/3rd debate i believe it will be much harder to survive in the SA than the mod. Whether this caters to a portion of the playing populace only time will tell. I don't think the tactics currently employed in the mod will cross over too well to the SA. I believe Rocket will stick to his guns and deliver the game he wants to produce. A brutal, unforgiving world where survival is difficult and death is around every corner. I'd like to see death by zombie ramped up considerably and ammo rare enough that firing on an unarmed survivor just isn't worth it. It's looking good atm.

Yep, fair point. Some exploits need to be fixed up. The server hopping / combat logging exploits are being addressed i believe. I would hope there could be a fix for loot farming, but with the SA having so many loot spawns in lots of different places i am not too sure if it will be worth the hassle for someone to farm an area, especially as loot tables wont exist in the state they are in the mod. But i agree, discussion and debate is good, but for this thread to remain open people need to make sure their posts have a point. I am guilty of this myself sometimes (the inner troll) but if we can keep it clean we can continue to argue. EDIT: harley, there is a FOV slider in SA.

Chernarus Plus is different. It may have the same names of towns etc but there are loads of additions, changes that will make exploring Chernarus worthwhile. You have Utes off the coast, a totally new area up north and many things added in between. Rumours of a prison on Skalisty, a wrecked oil tanker, two large additions to the Cherno surrounds and 95% of buildings enterable. For me Chernarus is still the best map and even though i have always checked out the new maps i always end up going back there. Taviana and Lingor held my attention for a while but not so much the rest. I do agree though i would love to see DayZ on Altis (Arma 3 large island) and a fully rendered Seattle from TOH would be awesome, but probably at this stage, impossible. I have run through the streets of Seattle using All in Arma and the buildings are not nice up close!

Well people i think we can all agree to disagree, I am an advocate of 1st person in a game like DayZ - my opinion, like that of Dslyecxi's, is that you are missing out on so much when you turn to the comforts of 3rd. I called 3rd person a cheat in a post a while back but i take it back - it isn't cheating if it is a mechanic of the game and it doesn't make you a bad or soft player. I hope Rocket and the devs will come to some sort of compromise as i think that being able to see things in game that we shouldn't be able to isn't really in the spirit of a game. If going prone makes you go instant 1st then that is enough for me. For me, the eye in the sky when prone atop a roof is a joke. On a 3rd person enabled server i use 3rd person myself and i think that when running for any length of time it is a more preferable view of the world, plus it is nice to be able to see you character in action. There does seem to be a very strong 1st person only minority here and i hope that in the SA these players stick to their guns and get on some 1st person only servers and get them fully populated. I still remember my first month playing DayZ in May last year when i didn't even know 3rd person existed. It was so much more intense not being able to see zombies over and through walls and the fear i felt when i heard a gunshot in the distance was amplified when i couldn't just scan my surroundings from behind a wall. It is a personal preference thing but i at least urge 3rd person only players to hop on a (populated?) 1st person only server and scoot around Cherno/Elektro (at night) and tell me it doesn't give you a bigger rush.

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Well if Frankie and JackFrags want 3rd person then that's it. I'm sold!! Discussion over people. Move along.

Tbh if the SA instigates the changes proposed (1st for prone and a more up close and restricted 3rd person view in crouch) then it could be a fair compromise. If the looking around the corner exploit is restricted so it only works when standing completely upright then at least there is a fair chance a zombie or two could spot the player (especially since in the SA the zombie numbers will be increased somewhat). That way we can all run to open fields and admire our character in 3rd person without fear, until we get sniped from a treeline.

I like these ideas. For me the biggest exploit is the roof camper who scans the town while prone.

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lol Aitchy you are putting words in my mouth with those quotes of mine! As you say we each have our opinion.

So let me get this straight. You are worried about SA because: 1) It has better graphics 2) Matt, a person you know nothing about doesn't appear to have logged as many hours as you 3) You don't want a SA you want a polished mod 4) Green/Red text annoys you but not green/red icons 5) Vehicles won't be in the initial alpha release (ok i'll give you this one as some people will be disappointed in this) 6) You have to realistically fill an empty mag with bullets rather than it magically filling up on its own 7) Zombies jump 8) You don't want blood types as it is too complicated These reasons look a bit silly don't they?

I have found them legitimately before on some servers but never in that number so i would guess they were scripted in.

You never have to instruct the experienced ones. They show you a thing or two. I'm talking about the game of course.

I think in some areas the apartment blocks are being gutted and made to look majorly derelict.

But that is a fair fight. If someone sees you first then they deserve to have the upper hand. But having the possibility of someone being able to look around corners is not a fair fight, not if the only reason they see you is because they can look into the doorway by hiding behind it and switching to a god like perspective. Lets just hope there are enough servers for all of us and then this 1st vs 3rd debate won't matter. The issue i think most have atm is that finding a decent 1st person only server is hard to find and if you have to play on a 3rd enabled you almost have to play ball and use the 3rd exploits as well otherwise you wont last long in a firefight.

Yeah but what about the guy outside behind the door? 1st vs 1st fair fight 1st (inside) vs 3rd (outside) unfair fight 1st (outside) vs 3rd (inside) fair fight 3rd vs 3rd unfair fight Basically this proves that the 3rd person camera needs to be tightened to the character so as to prevent the amazing free flowing eyes.

I think i have a compromise. For those who want to play 3rd person they must be this character. Breaking news - Latest 3rd person clothing and backpack!!

There is no defence for 3rd person in a military simulation - i actually have no idea why it would even appear in the game, i assume BI put it in for commanding and viewing your squad or something . It is an exploit pure and simple. If i can lie atop a fire tower and view my surroundings without showing myself i am exploiting and yes i call this cheating. Let's not be coy about calling it what it is. However 3rd person is and always will be part of the game. I am fine with that i just hope there are plenty of 1st person servers in the SA. We aren't all going to come to a resolution and agree. This thread is surely almost done.

I wouldn't have a problem with 3rd person if the camera were set and fixed at eye level and free look was disabled while in this 3rd person perspective.

Yeah it is funny how footage comes out straight away by some streamers if they do well and none at all if they die early. Btw i think they should remove all vehicles apart from perhaps bikes.

As far as the weapon, it is an M4 and they are currently using it so as to set a benchmark. Once they get the M4 and all attachments working to the Devs standards i assume they will roll out all the other weapons. It by no means implies that military weapons will be commonplace. There were zombies in the town but i don't think they were set to respawn and as such were all killed off pretty quickly. The game is improving with every update there is no doubt about it.

So how many developers do you think would have come out with a statement like that, eh? Gabe Newell - "Yeah the reason HL3 isn't out yet is because the Combine AI is totally fucked!"

No not true. The video came out and we thought it would be a good time to re-discuss. This discussion is far from being new.

A lot of these mods were rushed out and don't really offer anything new apart from the map. At least something like DayZ 2017 tried to be a bit different.

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