sausagekingofchicago

I'm personally not a fan of any type of autorun. If the rest state required sitting still for 15 minutes in a city and only a few minutes in the wilderness then I don't see a lot of abuse coming from it in towns. I also don't see a lot of people using the rest state in a town if the zombies are hardcore. I also suggest having some type of stance limit on the rest state. We don't want a guy to get on top of a building just to sit still for 15 minutes to get a prone rest state that sweeps the area. That wouldn't really help. Perhaps a view distance change could accompany the rest state? Or to use a part of an earlier suggestion, only objects within a certain distance would render in the rest state?

That would depend on how a "rest state" would be defined. Even if the hospital in the middle of town would be part of that definition, how fast would the rotation be and would that actually be useful to some fool sitting on a roof? Perhaps a rest state would take longer to achieve in a city than out in the wild?

I read something like that but it's all theory to most of us. Did they upgrade all the LODs for the various structures and objects? I was rocking a bottom feeder 2.4 dual core with a 9500gt and I had to crank everything down to get playable frames. I didn't know what kind of disadvantage I was at or how awful the textures looked until I upgraded. With the old rig, fp was sickening. Seriously. With the newer system, I kill with impunity. With FP, framerates are key. The headbob plays a huge part in that.

A time mechanic could counter that and it would be pretty hard to track targets as the camera slowly panned. A zombie proximity could even be added. Active fires would almost be a death sentence. Certainly, but a lot of people can't imagine what that'll be like. I know I couldn't. Some of that optimization might be hijacked by additional zombies or rocketisms. FP shouldn't be locked to any other player action or it'll be heavily abused to detect other players. If you're chilling in third looking at your fancy pants, a player should absolutely have the ability to sneak up on you, whether he's swinging an axe or not.

I hated FPV when I first tried it.. I then spent a chunk of change and realized it was really just my framerate that was the problem. If you're not pushing at least 30+ in a city with FP then you're likely about to hurl and you're going to hate FP. Have you ever heard of the "paper doll"? Having a picture in the inventory, even if it's 3d and animated, is NOT the same, at all. This is something we should all strive for. The First Person camp, the Third Person camp, the Foot Person camp, we should all TRY to see the merits of the other side of the argument before dismissing it. Otherwise, what's the point of debating? If you can't honestly see the merits of the opposing view how can you actually counter it? Trolling or taking shots at each other doesn't really do us much good.

How about..... Third person view available only in a "rest state"? That's assuming we don't need to apply bandages directly to wounds, something I'm just throwing out there which likely isn't the case. Rest state would occur at a camp, campfire, or sitting still for X amount of time. Camera would slowly rotate and any movement or attempt to control the camera would kick it back into first person. What this does: Grants players the ability to take Show Off and Crew screenshots for random brag threads. Lets players examine their character in their new fancy pants. Forces players into first person in nearly every situation. Cross-country travel wouldn't be as pretty but that may be a trade off. Most of the gain, not too much of the pain, imo. We might need some clever idle animations that include showing off the weapons we find. The more animations/emotes the better for this. A little bit of player chosen style in these rest state/idle animations would go a long way to convey personality. Anyway, just another toss out.

I've offered several way back many pages ago and I also do not consider the proper use of the third person camera an "exploit".

It's interesting to see how much this topic has evolved. Blocking a huge portion of the screen with the character and no freelook in third... :|

it's actually pretty easy as all the work has been done for you. It's like getting unemployment.

I'm quite startled by this, in a good way.

neat. I did suggest you actually apply yourself as an alternative to having someone else hand what you want to you. That seems like something a hardworking blue collar class gent would understand. My mistake.

Man,... i really don't want to repeat myself but... If you want super easy mode just mod the mod. Heck, remove the zombies altogether if you really want. Whatever floats your boat.

I like how the trolls are easily spotted.

I never got why this was an issue. A hatchet removes them well enough.

it's hardcore! guns make the game too easy.

Serious suggestion after this sentence. How about DayZ with no weapon other than a hatchet?

All uuuuuhhhhing aside, a pure survival game sans zombies would be great if it was harsh and realistic. I just don't think it would work on the Chernarus map though. It would need some hardcore wilderness and lots of deadly animals.

Uhhhhhhh....

This really is a glass half empty/half full argument.

Because... shooting people isn't the only goal and it's not necessary to shoot from first person?

I have to agree. I don't care how people in Cherno and Elektro kill each other as long as we get an actual SURVIVAL game. (had to caps that) If people want to camp doorways or rooftops, it's not really going to ruin my fun. I just wish the FP camp would try to foresee the problems they're going to face. INB4 further nerf demands.

Again, I've suggested a couple. I suggested the stance camera long before this but have thus far refused to toot my own dirty horn. Perhaps I wasted my time in the other short lived thread but I've offered at least two completely valid suggestions, one which mirrors rocket's most recent revelations (old to me), and another which is hardwired completely to the use of the weapon. To repeat, if the weapon is on your back, you get third. If the weapon is equiped but in the down position, you get a zoomed in third. If it's up in a ready to fire position, you're forced into first. That is by far the most fair compromise I can think of. Medical examinations and travel can still be held in third person but any actual firing of a weapon MUST be done in first. As long as there's a delay in the switching from unarmed to armed then this will work for the most part. Once players realize they can team up with others and use an unarmed guy as a scout we'll see more issues. That's normal. There is NO WAY around third person being used to view around corners unless it's removed, something i've personally advocated for if a complete and utter butchering of the TP camera is going to take place. I also said, prior to seeing rocket say so, that attempting to "fix" the camera will be insanely hard and doing it in the right way will take quite a bit of effort. It's far easier to just ditch the system entirely and piss off a huge portion of players, including streamers, for a system that pretty much any mainstream gamer will appreciate. That is my opinion. It has been since I picked this game up.

"As a problem". I'll have to rewatch if using the third person camera is an "exploitation" or not. As for compromises, I've offered quite a few. In fact, I've offered several before the devs recent suggestion. Most of the FP camp refuse to accept anything but removal or absolute nerf so I buck back. That is all. I mean no personal harm and I don't look to start flamewars. Where's the actual discussion though? Making zombies vanish in TP is NOT a solution, at all.