I generally don't post on forums because most of them are just full of D-bags acting like D-bags because of the ability to remain anonymous and not get punched in the face but I've played games like UO and Eve (eve hasn't seen any growth in like 3 years because just as many people get frustrated and leave as join) allot that also try to offer "freedom" and the issues is always the same: good game, but player base ruining it for everyone because modern gamers arn't as mature as 90's gamers. I like pvp just fine, griefing is another thing though. Make no mistake self proclaimed "pvpers" if you are shooting unarmed guys on the beach with high powered military rifles or sitting on a hill for 7 hours a day overlooking cherno with a sniper rifle and a ghillie then your a griefer and only claiming pvp because you get your jollies ruining other people's day. real pvper's are actually pretty rare, We had some guys harassing our mining ships in eve one day and we asked them why they were doing so as we didn't have any war's going on at the time, they called us carebears and that eve is always pvp so we said "fair enough" and sent out an equal strength force to pvp with them. they warped out the minute we did and didn't return that day because if a fight isn't one sided a griefer won't take part in it and i find that the biggest carebearing of all. I also get a laugh out of everyone saying "well in a real apoc its kill or be killed and ill kill everyone" no you won't, over 2000 years of sociel development will not just disappear like that and the every species is programmed by nature to survive.... AS A SPECIES because when a population drops to low for genetic diversity extinction follows. its nothing more then trying to be an internet baddass wannabe. so yea if you guys want to pvp my friends and I we are happy to but because we arn't new spawned easy kills who play on a veteran server that disables third person view and crosshairs we generally don't get much pvp fun. There are multiple ways to shift the focus more on survival, make the zombies an actual threat, why is there no infection in this game? I can easily see infection chance as a pretty good motivation to fear them, also lowering the ammo spawn rates and getting rid of some of the super powerful 50 cal weapons (why would the russian military bring such firepower to stop zombies in the first place?) would be nice, as they seem to be pretty absurd. also locking your character to a single server until death would be nice and would get rid of a good few exploits.