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I know there is already plenty topics about this, and apologies for the long winded post. As it stands Dayz is currently on the edge of a pandemic. A hacking pandemic that is spreading rapidly and in many ways now beyond manageable control. never in my time as a gamer have I had a gaming experience that has been so infested with people that hack and cheat. I thought battlefield 3 had quite a bad hacking problem. but even there you would maybe meet a hacker maybe once or twice a week. in Dayz at the moment its reaching the point where its once or twice a DAY. Now all games have hackers....cheating in games is as old as gaming itself. But its keeping the number of people that do cheat under control enough that the people that play properly still have a pleasurable gaming experience. This I feel as it stands is starting to slip away in Dayz. Encountering hackers and exploiters seems to be almost a daily occurrence for most people in Dayz, just have a quick look in the Server section of the forum and you will see what I mean. The problem is further exasperated by the type of game that Dayz is. Let me go back to Battlefield 3 as an example, little Carebear joins a server in Battlefield 3 and 5 minutes after joining a hacker joins and starts using an aimbot to kill people. quickly people catch on that this guy is hacking after getting 55 to 0 deaths in under a minute. people die....people get annoyed. a few minutes after the admin bans the hacker from the server and people go on there trigger happy way. Or if an admin isn't on Carebear leaves the server and joins another without a hacker on. he's only lost about 10 minutes of game time and maybe a bit lower KD ratio but nothing serious. Now Carebear decides he wants to play Dayz. he has a good survivor that is now several days old. He has farmed long and hard for his gear and is now playing carefully to make sure he survives. he's running through a forest then bam! he is teleported to a location with everyone else on the server and dies in the confusion and gunfire that follows. Carebear now feels bitter because he died to an exploit after all his hard work, not to someone else, which he would be fine with. And this is one of the problems Dayz has. Hackers can cause so much more grief than they can in a game like Battlefield 3 because of the type of game it is, and in many ways its so much more personal to. In battlefield 3 griefing will last about 10 minutes tops. In Dayz hours and hours of game time can be lost in a blink of an eye. Now out of this I can deduce 3 main outcomes that can occur- 1) Carebear accepts his lose and starts all over again. knowing that a hacker could potentially strike at any time, but he accepts it as a one off and carries on playing Example- http://dayzmod.com/f..._+quit +hacking 2) Carebear doesn't like what has happened to him and decides to stop playing. a bitter resentment towards the game that not enough was done to prevent him loosing his stuff from unfair means Example - http://dayzmod.com/f...+quitting +dayz 3) Carebear decides if you cant beat them join them and decides to use hacks and exploits himself. this thread here is an example of this- http://dayzmod.com/f...hl__ quit hack Do you see the problem here? as hacking becomes more widespread option 1 becomes less and less likely and option 2 and 3 become more likely. neither of these are favourable outcomes. this is in stark contrast to Battlefield 3 where option 1 is still the most likely due to the fact that hacking is a lot less personal, and is far easily avoided. still with me? Now onto the type of hacking itself. Its reaching the point where hackers aren't even using subtle exploits like giving themselves gear, or even using teleportation which seems to be a hot favourite by hackers. Now we have stuff like this going on... and this is the tip of the iceberg. This to me shows a total breakdown of control where hackers can just do what they want willy nilly to people for there own sick and vile amusement, with little or hardly any risk involved. the difficulty in Dayz for hacking is that, by the time the anti cheat system has caught on to something suspicious, it is already to late and the damage has already been done, be it teleportation of the whole server to a location, aimbotting, spawning gear or turning survivors into other things, u name it in Dayz a hacker can probably do it. Now I know that Dayz is in alpha stage and this is rather an Arma II problem rather than Dayz, but its showing that the current Anti cheat system for it(battle eye) is wholly inadequate for the needs of Dayz. it may well be enough for Arma II but for Dayz it seriously lacking in venom. Now I'm no expert in this field, I know nothing of how to protect from cheating etc, or the coding in games. But I know other games have done a darn better job that this of protecting themselves from hackers. This problem is only likely to get worse as the popularity of Dayz continues to rise. or will it? will it get a reputation for just being an infestation of hackers and exploiters and will it drive away potential players that would rather stay well clear. I know this problem is unlikely to get fixed until the standalone version, but how far away is that? For me personally hacking is the No 1 issue facing Dayz as it stands. I hate it. it takes away all the enjoyment of playing this remarkable Mod because in the blink of an eye it is all taken away. Its not even the fact I've lost everything. its the fact I feel like a sheep. A sheep in a pack of wolves, a pack of wolves that can strike at any time, any place, they will even toy with you before striking. tossing you about like a doll. and you have no defence against it apart from aborting as quickly as possible, which sometimes still isn't enough. I'm all for fair game and I don't mind dying, everyone excepts its part of the game. but when its taken away UNFAIRLY then it becomes and issue. this leads me onto the poll. I've made a poll to find out what you, the community feel about the current state of hacking in Dayz. is the current hacking level in Dayz tolerable? is it a big issue? does it not concern you at all? is it the biggest challenge this Mod is currently facing? or are are bugs and glitchs more a concern for you. I hardly expect Rocket and the team to look at this thread and act upon it, there has already been lots of topics on this subject. It may well be that in the current environment there is no way to resolve this issue at all, but you never know. I do know what I want though, and that's a more enjoyable Dayz experience. And at the moment, I'm just not getting it. if you got this far thanks for taking the time to read :) btw by all means disagree with me, this is me theorising. just make sure you back up your argument :) Bain

for me atm main things include a bizdon (for thoughs peskey zeds) mk 48 LMG (first time ive found one of thse, an absolute moster of a weapon :D) g17 plus the usual...big bag, matchs canteens, food etc

so many times atm i join a server.....20 secs in, you were kicked (admin) join another. 20 secs in, you were kicked (admin) join another, you were banned (admin) -.- i barely even have time to move xD the other day i got auto kicked from a server for a 'high ping' of 31!!! thirty fooking one! =/ people like that dont deserve to run them

omg tht is without doubt the scariest shit ive ever seen in a game before O_o what the actual hell. the guy is like histerically scared by the end

playing at night adds a whole new experience in dayz. i love playing at night personally. i currently hve a g17 with the flashlight, totally great for navigating in the dark. although for obv reasons i dont use it all the time :D dont wait to attract attention. it amuses me zeds are oblivious to torchlight, even if you shine it right in there faces ^^

to be honest people may grow up but they never grow out of certain things. and/or they like things they know they shouldnt cause its not aimed at them and sociely unacceptable. for me personally its thunderbirds, even though im way past the age range its aimed for :D i absolutely love the music for it and used it a vid i made for a space simulator called orbitor 2010 a while ago cause it fitted so well-

guy did deserve to die xD but personally i thnk its bit stupid that you can go looking around through some1s backpack if you get close to them. or at least without permission. for this reason i always keep my distance from people :P

its just like pokemon, its aimed at kids but people grow up and still openly accept how amazing it is. admittadly though you dont see as many people so open about it as with this in terms of forum sigs, names profile pic etc. its amusing more than anything ^^

personally i think it looks rather intriguing. the graphics look alot nicer than the arma 2 engine, and some of the elements they mention sound interesting, but u cant judge the book by its cover. if they get it out before the Dayz standalone i think it has the potential to grab quite a few players....for a while :P ill be watching to see what people make of it before making any commitments

sniper rifles do have a legit implication in the game. but they can also make it fustrating for people as well. using a guy with a sniper as a look out whilst someone scouts out an area is a legit reason for a sniper rifle. or even waiting for someone at the NW airfield so you can take their loots. using a sniper rifle to overlook elektro just to grief people with no/little gear i feel isnt a legit reason. i remember the other day i was a fresh spawn in elektro when i came across a bike. i decided to go on a joy ride through elektro pulling everything and making myself very obvious. as soon as i went to the open fields north of elektro i started getting shot at. i had literally nothing on me. but they where determined to kill me. i just rode around in circles, not heading in any specific direction and generally just pissing about wondering how long they would take them to hit me (yes there were 2 get to that in a sec :P) bullets where landing all around me and they must of fired off a good 20 shots before they eventually hit me xD. when i respawned i had a rough guess of where they were. and low and behold 20 minutes later after i had ran from kamyshovo i found them. camped on the NE hill. they were damn lucky i only had a hatchet otherwise they would of been dog meat. my hatchet charge didnt go to well unfortunatly :(. my point is i had nothing and still i was shot at 'for sport' and they where terrible at shooting at a moving target. everybody in elektro would of heard them trying to kill me but they were determined to add that 1 murder kill to their count that means so much to them because it meant more than there own safety. this is the mentality of alot of people that use snipers. they kill people 'just cause they can' and i have the attitude of 'killing people whilst holding them at arms length' because its a lot less personal and safer for said killer, just another number to add to the murder count. people will never play fairly if the options is available to them and snipers give them that option. To get into a close quarters gunfight greatly increases the chances of said sniper dying. griefing is so much harder to achieve if snipers sit on the hills around elektro with a lee enfield for example. it just aint gunna happen xD

normally because i play on my lonesome i dont hoard things. just the essentials to keep me alive, normally a high power rifle and an assault rifle with enough ammo for each. about 3 water canteens, any more is just silly tbh and enough room to cook food if i have the right stuff for it. maybe one moprhine just incase of broken legs

alot of the things here seem rather promising. things that i personally feel need to be build upon and added hes touched upon and discussed here. the Zed AI. bugs and hacking, more options for people in the style of game they want to play. more surival less hoarding/pvp focused, a push towards rewards for teamwork with people you dont know. but accepts that people want both sides of the coin so banditry is encouraged as well. different clothing. wanting to make it harder still by removing the ui etc. Dayz currently offers a 'unique' experience. if/when all these things he wants to achieve gets implimented i think the experience will be mind blowing. the only downside i think is no arma 3 engine =/ i just hope this '2.5 engine' is well optimised cause the Arma 2 engine is rather unpredictable with Dayz in terms of fps

honestly dayz hasnt been a zombie game for weeks now. its fast just turning into a pvp focused fps shooter free for all played on a large map with some npc's and limited survival elements thrown into the mix.

did i say anything about not using it how he wanted to? no? i was just merely pointing out that people dont use it for the purpose he said they are meant for. then you are using it for its intended purpose, i just pointed out that alot of people dont....but u wanted to be all hardman ;)

but realistically though how many ppl use it for this purpose? i would say less than 10% of people do.

cities are always terrible for fps. look towards a city 30 fps, look the other way up to 50 -.- the server can also affect your fps as well. on some servers i join i get a whopping 10 fps. i join another, exactly the same spot. 50+ fps xD

personally i thnk the abundance of snipers is way way to high. as is alot of military loot in general. People should be running around with low tier weapons. people should be using double shotguns, winchesters and pistols. not high power anti material rifles. personally i think guns spawn rates and military equipment should be drastically lowered, survival should be the priority not seeing how big your e-pen is. i remember the first time i found a pistol, i felt powerful. i felt like i had some form of control over what i was doing. I would love for it always to be like that. I think there should be more melee weapons in the game and less guns, it will make finding one a whole lot more rewarding. yes snipers should remain in the game. but make them extremely hard to come by, limit the spawn rate for there ammo to. only prob is what im saying cant be achieved because of duping ><

As it stands right now the Zeds are hardly a threat at all and personally i dont like that. I know there are animation issue etc with them but hopefully that will be fixed in the stand alone. I would love for them to be modelled and animated loosely around the Left 4 Dead style. being quick and agile and actually running like a zombie rather than a man sprinting, climbing over obstacles like fences etc and taking the shortest path to get at you. The Zeds should be feared, not be there just for a nuisance like they are now.

alot of the time its hard to even know who the hacker is. if say everyone gets teleported to a location and you die 5 seconds later...how am i meant to find out who the hacker is? i would like to point you towards one of the first comments i made in the post. its keeping the hacking 'under control' that needs to be addressed not necessarily banning the hackers themselves, prevention rather than justice. if you read the post properly its not actually a rant thread. its an analysis, a theory with facts and examples to construct an arguement with a personal judgement. this thread was made a while ago now, at the start of the rise of hacking. this wasnt just a 5 minute button bashing post either. i put some considerable time and effort constructing an argument and i wanted to see what the community thought about the current situation, i havnt seen many threads with this stance. As the poll currently stands, it seems alot of people feel the mods no 1 problem right now is the hacking situation. personally i havnt seen another thread asking this type of question to the community, so its useful information to know what the community feels about it. for all we know hacking could be a problem but people could still find it tolerable, and its just a vocal minority making the threads about it. so the more that people vote the better it is for a more accurate picture. as for the reporting hackers...i will add it to the poll, I am unable to think of everything :P

and i thought the thread i did about hacking was long winded ^^ - http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/54264-hacking-an-analysis/ some great stuff here :) i myself have stopped playing atm until this gets sorted. i cant bring myself to play to have things taken away so cruelly =/

where is hackers on this list? :D ive only died to hackers and glitchs the last 2 weeks....

well coming back to this this morning and looking at the poll so far. its clear to me that the majority of the community also feel that hacking is now facing a crisis point in dayz -.- this is really bad news, lets hope rocket responds to the crying out of the community and tries to do something about it =/ keep up the voting! more numbers = a more accurate opinion

this is what i am talking about, I to have seen a huge rise in the amount of hackers in the last week/two weeks. And the community as a whole seem powerless to stop this from happening, even admins have little control over what happens and to be honest this is the most worrying. when a exploiter has more control over a server than the person running it what does that say for the integrity of the game? have a look at this thread- http://dayzmod.com/f...ge__hl__hacking

thnk i was on this server as well. at least i got teleported to the NWAF on a server about 20-30 mins ago, some1 stood on me as i was lying down and i went unconcious. i aborted soon as i could. joined another server....im back on the coast with none of my gear, which was lots of high end stuff 2 :thumbsup: this is the second time ive been teleported today. think im going to give up playing dayz till this crap is sorted cause its getting out of control and ruining the fun -.-

so many sweet delicious tears in this thread. people with there e-pen through the roof 2. get a grip....honestly!