FrostDMG

Yeah. Hogging shit ruins the server though - and if I'm not mistaken, this is a game we're meant to be playing. Hogging shit is made infinitely easier by having a helicopter.

Switching servers for gear... Lowest of the low.

Sigh... Admins were usually in a group and groups hog shit. I was never talking about those 4000 vehicle servers btw, this is on normal servers where one group basically dominates the server.

fail.

@OP Uninstall internet and electricity please.

??? You're the one referring to epoch and not even the vanilla game. I'm talking legit vehicles not spawned in via scripts.

I'm running out of ways to get my point across. Have you ever played on a server with every vehicle (I do mean EVERY) safely stashed away in an admin camp? I have. You know what happens if you invade their camp and steal their vehicles? They get them all back within 30min-1hour depending if they're online. Without helicopters, they would have to actually RISK their vehicles and gear going on the ground either driving through woods or walking. This would also take them plenty more time and give you the opportunity to hide the goods. This also gives normal players the opportunity to cap 'em bitches. Once you get the heli you'll spend most of your time in the air since it's so damn fast and safe, only time you'll be on the ground to raid or stock up in your camp.

Sigh. I'm all for group interaction. But trust me, the game is OVER once you get the helis. You'll get bored so fast as soon as you get one - read my post. Just because you can't land in the woods doesn't mean the helis are not only the fastest but also the safest way to scout the map. Only a young yolo would decide to solo fly a heli then land it all by himself just to loot a camp. You fly, you scout, you remember, you come back in a quad. If you'd rather walk for camps than fly - given the opportunity - I think you're bullshitting here.

Yeah, I agree that helis are fun, but balanced pvp > pure fun factor. BALANCED PVP YOU SAY? BUT THIS IS A ZOMBIE SURVIVAL GAME?!!!!11 Yeah, yeah. Don't kid yourself, PvP will always play a huge part in this game, and whilst it's pretty damn balanced without helis, it wouldn't be so with them - and I'm not even talking about the helis with guns here. Finding all your bases in 5 minutes - Yup Dropping people left and right - Yup Destroying the game for people with and without helis - Yup That's right - you might think it's fun to have a heli and to rule the map, but trust me, after a week you'll soon learn that you and your heli flying crew single handedly destroyed all of the other groups on the server - and the best part is, it can all be done without firing one bullet. This will cause the other groups to leave the server since there's no point making new camps or getting new cars because of the group with the heli. You'll probably leave the server soon after because you too will realize that without other groups to compete with, the game is boring. Et voila. Server is dead. Finding a camp on foot or even in a loud quad is incredibly difficult, especially if it's spread out of 200m area. Even if you find a part of the camp, chances are you can't look it all and probably there's more you haven;t found yet. This allows the other groups to relocate and cut their losses. When you have a heli with you, it's basically free loot day. You can loot absolutely everything and don't even have to think twice about it.

Ok guys. try to keep the discussion on topic. I'm all for making end-game goals tough to achieve and I think Helicopters were great motivators, however, I don't like their potential downsides. I would love if we could customize already existing vehicles - GAZ, UAZ hell, even the truck. If we could armour plate those vehicles, that would give people a goal - goal for something that was more than "get guns". I can only assume most of you guys have either played solo or without a good pilot in your group. In my group there were 2 guys that always flew (me and a buddy since we were the best at it) - never once did we get shot down or did our camp get found out because of our heli - what you basically do is "fake" your flightpath, and only turn when you're out of the way of any towns. Helis were immense fun - but something that gives an advantage so great that one has to wonder if the game would not devolve back into the same old "one group whores all the vehicles". In my group we actually didn't steal or raid when we found one vehicle - there was no point landing and checking out the loot, too much effort, and we also wanted other players to have vehicles, due to the game becoming completely stale once you were controlling a server. Also, we don't know if camps going to be underground. If they are, I think it's a big mistake. If other players can't raid your camp, then why not have it right on the coast so you can just kill noobies without the fear of death, without the fear of your camp being found out? Even if you can somehow store your loot underground, there needs to be some sort of an indicator so that other players can identify and loot such locations. Just because you can store loot underground, doesn't mean you can store cars. Hard working groups of even 2 or 3 people might have 2 cars which are so incredibly easy to spot from the sky, but could actually be incredibly difficult to find on the ground. That's the thing - on the ground, you can park cars in such a way, in between trees that they're incredibly difficult to spot, especially when they're green/dark - when you're in the air, due to objects not rendering, there's no such difficulty. I had a video of our group getting away after we raided a camp we found on foot... Can't find it atm...

Yes please, also can we have And Can we make it so that all the enemies are on the radar - like helis used to have - totally fair and legit. I would also like my airtank to shoot lasers and nuclear missiles.

.50 cals won't be in the game and haven't been in for a while. Destroying the hard work of otheres just by having a helicopter is not on. I'm guilty of this and gotta say it ruins the game for the squad with and without a heli.

This happend so many times. We would actually go out and find CLAN SERVERS just so that we could have fun looking for a hidden camp. Trekking at the edge of the map, on foot chatting with your buddies looking for camps. HELL YEA

If you keep getting shot down... You must really suck dude. With my squad we would have a couple of players and when I got bored and nobody else was online, I would fly low over NEAF, NWAF, Berezino and the coast. Let me tell you - most people don't even bother shooting at the heli because you have a better chance of winning the lottery than taking one down while it's moving at full speed - and you only give your position away! Also, if you had a heli and were looking for camps this is how it goes down: You fly around the whole map, taking mental pictures where the camps are. Then after you scout a portion or whole map, you go back to your base, take a buddy and two squadbikes and voila. You now raided the entire map, didn't risk your heli and destroyed other's work just because you were in the sky. Unless tress are fixed so that you can no longer see right through the forest (because it doesn't render fully) I am STRONGLY against any air vehicles, but especially against helicopters. The small Gyro heli is cute, keep that. It's a deathtrap if anything.

Give Zoombies a go. It's basically Arma 3 zombies in Chernarus, using all of the Arma 3 lightning and other visual goodies.

This is NOT TRUE. Helis are NOT vulnerable to small arms fire at all! Unless the heli is either parked or hovering, hitting the engine with M4/AKM is impossibly difficult. Only AS50 or Barret could've taken a heli down while moving, and even then it took not only skill from the shooter but also pretty poor flying from the pilot.

A plane? An armoured vehicle - where you have to gather materials to create "DIY" armour plating?

This game in it's present and past state has ALWAYS been about players interacting with each other and the environment is "just there". Helis bring a HUGE imbalance (imo) to the game.

I agree, with a map that size, we could have a couple of helis, but also the servers would have to allow for over 300 players to fill this epic map.

No. There was the AS50/Barret but they were very rare before duping glitch. Neither stingers nor helis have place in the game. The only helis in the game should be random heli crash sites - which by the way used to be farmed by groups in helis, causing a further imbalance.

First of all, didn't say it's a fact. Lucky shots happen, just because ONCE you were shot out by either a lucky shot or aimbot (more likely), doesn't make my point null and void.

Seems legit.

Come on, MI 17 couldn't feel your M4...

Take a break away from DayZ. When the SA came out I dumped a load of hours into it and became very burnt out (I've spent countless hours on the mod too). Trust me, Play something different and let the devs do their thing. Whining won't make them code any faster, trust me, I tried.

I knew where this was going you little troll. Get the hell out. I think it's racist for you to assume that I'm white tbh mate. GTFO