cornholio308

Mate, you must think soldiers are super humans. Most of the training soldiers get is to see if they can take an order and follow through. They need to be reliable! And used to the stresses of combat so not to lose their shit and start panicking when things get going. Physically they are fit but there are just as many stronger men walking around the streets without any military training. Look at most men in afghanistan and you can see some of them are very well built yet some of them are on the thinner side neither of them bursting with muscle and super human strength. If you cannot carry a 12kg vest with the rest of what you are carrying then you are extremely weak. Men and women today carry around all their gear in weather they are not used too considering they are not from afghanistan and do you see them collapsing and dying? So I highly doubt an average joe would collapse from any of those reasons in a eastern european country "A lot colder than afghanistan that's for sure. Of course not over straining yourself so you are light on your feet is a wise move but not protecting your torso from projectiles that will more than likely find there way in your direction is a risk I wouldn't take. Let me explain something to you, as long as weapons are in this game. The bullets will have my name on them. With every offensive weapon there must be a defensive weapon to balance the tide. When there was heat seeking missiles capable of taking out aircraft by the mere heat of their engines flares were the answer for protection. When the sword was used there was chain mail and other forms of armour to protect against its blade. The same goes for bullets and the protection to stop them before entering your body. Your mindset is operating like this game is about PVE only gameplay where the only weapon the enemy at the time has is their teeth and fingers. Don't get the wrong idea about me thinking I am just a PVP nutcase, The fact that there are weapons and fully automatic assault rifles and military grade clothing and items tells us that this game has a very firm grasp on what would really happen. Yes weapons and gear normally used by military would find their hands into people that were never in the military because those things are sometimes more effective and better for survival than standard civilian items and weaponry. The correct amount of protection from these weapons should be there too, civilian or not. If you want to be a pacifist then by all means do that. A bullet resistant vest just might save you one day when a crazed ass monkey decides its a wonderful idea to shoot you for no reason with his mosin from a bush.

If you cannot see what it can add to the experience then with no offence I am not going to try explain it to you as you haven't got the ability to think from the prospective of an individual that is in a far different world than we live in today. I'll say this though, am I talking about adding armoured vehicles or anti material rifles or am I talking about protection from bullets "as bullet resistance vests are designed to do" protecting your character's torso giving you the ability to be shot at for what ever reason with an increased chance of survival. STOP THINKING VESTS ARE AN ASSAULT WEAPON AND THINK OF IT FROM THE PROSPECTIVE OF PROTECTION AND INCREASING SURVIVAL IN COMBAT. I could take your mentality and say why have they added weapons to the game? this isn't a military shooter?.. See my point. Strip your mind of "military this and military that" and think "what is out there in the world that I could use to increase my chance of survival" No sane survivor would be running around in full kit? I'd say you are dead wrong. Soldiers walk around with bullet resistant vests, and before you try act smart, no one in their right mind would walk around in full military gear today where there is no need to carry around that gear because there is no imidiate risk of being shot, CORRECT. But this game is not set in a time where there is no immediate risk of being shot now is it? So yes. It would be considered a very sane thing to protect ones life by protecting ones body from harm and death.

Tracer ammunition is widely available by military and civilian people, armour piercing rounds are available to the military. You are the only one who who cannot control his thoughts and lets it lead to one thing to another. Let me explain this. Tracer ammunition was already in dayz and has been in the Real Virtuality engine for quite some time, it worked perfectly just like when shotguns fired slugs. Both features weren't ready to make an appearance so it was taken out until they can separate standard ammunition from other types by description and visuals. To create an armour piercing round in dayz it's quite simple, standard ammunition should be coded to not penetrate the vest with armour piercing rounds simply being coded to ignore the armour value, example "a 7.62x51mm nato armour piercing round should be able to go through if it is a class 3 bullet resistant plate" It's as simple as making the AP round ignore the vests threshold value. And this is talk for dayz, elaborate on your statements please. And remember this, you need to learn to walk before you can run. The plate carrier should work first before anything else is considered. Bullet resistance vests would be in high demand in a post apocalyptic scenario. Fact!

Class 4 plate armour stops 30-06 armour piercing rounds. What a armour piercing round is, is practically a bullet with a steel penetrator "very hard pointy rod" contained within the bullet itself that penetrates better than a round made just of copper and lead. The five seven pistol you speak of can use armour piercing rounds "The 5.7×28mm ammunition used in the gun can contain penetrators" however just because its an armour piercing round it does not mean it can go through all types of armour as a 30-06 armour piercing round is defeated by class 4 plates, by armour piercing 5.7×28mm rounds it probably means against kevlar vests that are designed to stop 357 magnum and 44 magnum, not plate armour. To answer your question about the mp5 being capable of dropping you on your back, extremely unlikely. When you are shot and fall back its because of the damage the bullets are doing to your body causing you to collapse from death or fall back from trauma/shock but the round itself is not forcing you to fall back. You need a lot of lead to whack you at once to give enough inertia to make you fall back on your ass though if you were shot with a 357 magnum with a kevlar vest you would definitely feel it and possibly fall over from the punch the round gave you. Remember kevlar is somewhat soft and does bend in towards you when a bullet is being caught inside the kevlar fibres. About the AP ammunition, I think they definitely should add something like this. Remember a class 3 armour plate vest can stop 7.62x51mm nato but it will not stop a 7.62x51mm nato penetrator. So even with the mosin and right ammunition you can get through the protection offered by the plate. Personally I would absolutely love if tracer ammunition will make a reappearance "not many people know this but the sporter when loaded with one single round and fired had tracers".

Yeah the vest weighs a considerable amount so it's weight amount and the description state the vest does contain plates. On closer inspection I believe it also has side plates protecting some of your sides by looking at the vest in game. But keep in mind small arms fire is considered small arms up until you reach rounds like 338 lapua magnum, 50BMG, 12.7x108mm and 14.5x114mm anti material rounds thus 308/7.62x51mm nato, 30-06 and rounds of the same size are considered small arms and would be stopped by plate armour not just pistol calibres that be like throwing a sticky tennis ball at a wall, the result is it just sticks to it doing absolutely nothing. Also with plate armour you would have to have a lot of inertia to make someone fall over, generally bullets are designed to have enormous pressure at a small point that either penetrates or expands on impact, with a plate the round disperses all of its energy on the plate itself and as you can guess the plate has no flex in it so the only pressure applied to you would be from the inertia of the plate pressing against you. That pressure would be tiny as the weight of a bullet is usually around 55-180 grains "those figures could be a little off" But yes if they had a kevlar vest a considerable amount of shockwaves and inertia is going to take place around the area of impact.

Yeah I've seen this a long time ago and completely forgot about it, thanks for sharing this. I tested the vest today first hand, a 9mm round from a cr75 pistol went right through the plate vest like it was made of paper ruining it and also damaging my raincoat to "badly damaged condition". It also made me bleed from the wound. I hope the devs can comment about this and tell us if this is only temporary until they make the vest more like the real thing. Surely brian hicks "from what I have heard is all about realism" is aware of how pathetically this vest is performing?

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You are pretty sure? And your only evidence is a V3S that was specifically said before the vehicle was ever introduced to the game what it would be, do I need to state what was said before it was released or can you remember or research that yourself? The vehicle itself is not finished and I know this because of all the information directly stated by the dev team what it will feature before it entered the game. No where is it stated this plate armoured vest would be changed to better reflect its real life counterpart. Thus it needs to be digested by the dev team and hopefully it will open their eye's to what needs to change with it or maybe even they themselves can tell us if the vest shall remain the way it is "a fashion statement" or be changed to what I and anyone with basic knowledge of ballistic protection feels it should be. PS The reason for capitals and if you didn't notice bright vibrant colours is simply because most people forget to stay on topic by the time their eyes reach the bottom of the page to post a reply. IT'S A PRECAUTION THAT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE WORKING.

And what rock have you crawled out from under? Nowhere did I say the game is doomed because of a vest and you are blind if you do not know what I meant about people losing hope for this game, I wont even bother delve into the matter. STAY ON TOPIC!!!!!

It's entirely irrelevant what my posts were about though if we were to get into technicalities the first two posts were #1 being helping others #2 asking someone where he was shot and the others contained in this thread, now correct me if I am wrong but isn't this section of the forums about suggestions? Now I will put you into the category of a DayZ knight because you refuse to use logic and instead contest any forms of factual information so let me just say this directly to you and any other of your kind prowling the threads, STAY ON TOPIC!!! no one give's a crap what load out you prefer or off topic defence of the game in its current state. To directly contest what you are trying to say YES, yes this game is in early access AND THIS IS THE TIME WHERE MAJOR CHANGES CAN OCCUR. Not in beta where the goal is to optimize and bug fix. Please educate yourself on what you think you know otherwise you sound clueless of even your own opinions. The point is, if this vest is not finished and I truly hope it is not. Why are they implementing this vest without its correct bullet resistance? Why put in an item without it having all the features it needs to be tested and tweaked and changed? If the plan is to eventually add a more in depth version of bullet resistance than is currently available then that is wonderful however I will not risk that not happening. This needs to be brought to the attention of the development team because honestly a lot of people are losing hope in them including me.

What you are not into and what IS in the game are two different things, stay on topic. Take your axe and try use it against a competitive player with a firearm and you will be killed every time. If you were reading between the lines a bullet resistant vest does not make the wearer impossible to kill, his head arms and legs are exposed.

It appears I am actually underestimating the strength of bullet resistant vests. Thanks for helping me prove my point, hopefully this opens the eyes of the game developers though I will say one thing.. if this gets to the eyes of any devs that can make a change please do us the people who bought your game for early access and made you tens of millions a huge obligation by doing actual research on the items you put in the game, I mean its actually fairly pathetic that you put so much time into modelling a plate vest and putting it into the game without giving the vest proper resistance to bullets, it's like wearing glasses without the actual need to have them. is this game a fashion show? will I wear a hard plate vest as a fashion statement?