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Is that a cut-down SKS with a 20 round magazine, folding wire stock, and silencer, and I'm guessing modified for full auto too?

The main issue I see is the AKM is already in game, and the differences between firearms are so few they wouldn't be visible in-game. The only thing it would add is -maybe- thematics, but then I still would like to make a point that we'd see more variance and expanded gameplay through a number of other guns which have been suggested.

Have to ask, why the 47?

So with what's available to craft so far, I'm surprised at the lack of discussion about body armor. Obviously, with there being a zombie outbreak about, there should be people concerned with their personal safety, and use their environment to their advantage. And there is -a lot- of things that I can think of people might go for in order to defend themselves. Here are just a few. Leather/hide armor: Probably the most obvious. Adding an extra layer of skin between you and whatever is trying to injure you, usually helps. It's not much, but something you could do if you were hunting anyway. Suggested action list: 1. skin a hide 2. Combine skinned hide with sewing kit (consumes sewing kit) 3. Obtain leather armor shirt OR pants OR leather gauntlet wraps (choice) sports armor: Less obvious I suppose, but useful against melee weapons, especially those which are blunt, and zombie attacks. Realistically would mostly just provide a reduction of blunt trauma, though small blades would be more inclined to glance off than with leather or nothing at all. Rugby armor could be taken as is, but futball shinguards could be implemented for gauntlets. (I've tried this IRL with both soccer [futball] and martial arts style shin guards - if sized for your shins, they will usually fit your forearms + your elbow decently well, and a second one will cover your upper arm solidly.) While this is not so much crafting per-se, it is something I'd like to see from a point of realistic loot. Steel plate vest: This is a fairly simple premise. With any salvageable piece of steel, hacksaw, a hammer, and some rope, the world of basic bullet and impact protective body armor opens up for you. Proven in WWII by the SN42 body armor, made from two 2mm steel plates (one on the front of the body, one on the back), body armor capable of stopping most knives and small handgun (.22, 9mm, chance of .45 ACP - the SN42 vest is considered equivalent to a modern type II vest against bullets) rounds can be made. Granted, it's a bit more hassle than a lot of what will be on this list, but... 1A: find a spare steel plate and pick it up 1B: find a car door and pry it off with a crowbar, pipe wrench, fireman's axe, etc, and pick it up 2: Cut the plate into a general shape for a wearable vest using a hacksaw (or perhaps bolt cutters) 3: Hammer the vest into shape using a... hammer. 4. Combine two vests by stacking them, and again using a hammer for finishing (or skip this for simplicity if that would be preferred.) 5: Combine with rope to make a steel vest. Or if you wanted you could call them SN42 vests. If you really wanted to. Trash can armor: This is a bit less effective against bullets, but probably just as effective vs a zombie. Take a steel garbage can (we've seen them in game lying around... I want to use them.) use a hacksaw or whatever to cut it in half. Then just use a rope to attach the pieces and voila, an effective zombie-swing stopper. bonus points if you add on cut-up food cans for arm/leg protection. Or a trashcan lid helmet. Pillow armor: Can't say it would stand up to a lot, but against zombies this might be one of the best simple solutions for 1-3 hit protection. Take 4-6 pillows (or just 2 really big ones) and duct tape them across your body as a vest, along with duct tape shoulder straps. Doesn't look nice, but you don't have to worry about the first couple zombie hits causing bleeding on your body. Though if you're at it, might as well grab a thick blanket or a couple more pillows for your sleeves. We've seen pillows on the floor, might as well add them in as something we can use, right? wooden stick armor: Wooden sticks. Not much use with only a couple, but if you collect enough to cover your body, and have duct tape along? Would make a fairly nice source of improvised body armor. Perhaps a bit heavy and cumbersome, but nonetheless effective for a few swipes from zombies. Book armor: Same premise as wooden sticks. Duct tape + reasonably hard object = reasonably effective anti-zombie swing armor. This can be applied to other commonly found objects like used cans, mirrors, or the like. Cast iron stove door armor: If you've seen back to the future, you probably know where I'm going with this. There are cast iron stoves with heavy iron doors in a number of houses we've seen. So... why not take a crowbar or w/e and use it with some rope as a vest? Not exactly the lightest or most practical thing in the world, but it's something. And generally speaking, something is better than nothing. Duct-taped wool / fleece jacket: Some of the thicker material shirts offer decent reduction of blunt force trauma, but can't defend against cuts, and degrade quickly to hits. One rather simple solution: wrap the entire thing in duct tape while being worn. The duct tape gives a bit more material strength against all damage, without removing any of the effectiveness of the core material for absorbing shock. Reinforced rider's jacket: Leather jackets already should be a bit more effective than the leather armor suggested at the top of the page, but there are a few things which can be added to make it more effective. For one, there is the duct tape option as above. But the really nice option for the rider's jacket / hide armor option? Studded leather armor (rider's jacket / hide armor) : Take said leather top armor, and add in metal studs. how to stud it? Well your best option in a zombie apocalypse is probably the simplest one: Take nails (which should be easy enough to find if we were being realistic) Push the nail through the leather, then point the sharp end down on a hard surface like a road, and step on it, so the metal ends bend in a direction that doesn't stick you. Worn with any cloth underneath like a T-shirt or jacket, and you've got an even more effective source of armor. Bonus points if you reinforce this further with duct tape. Chair backing: Another duct tape recipe. Break off the back of a wooden chair, preferably one with multiple rungs. duct tape it together for firmness, then use rope or make a duct-tape harness for it and wear it as a vest. Another zombie resistant vest. with this you may use the remaining rungs for your lower arms as bracers, just as you could with wooden sticks. Rope vest: While we're at it, rope on it's own could be used as armor. Though not doing much for blunt force trauma, it would prevent cuts from getting through. That said, you do need enough rope to wrap yourself in to the point it gets rather heavy. These are just some of my ideas. I'm sure there are others out there for craftable armor of some sort or another. For ideas from others: Shovel armor: Using a hacksaw to take the spade off of a shovel, and then attaching it to your chest via rope / duct tape, or as a plate in a carrier vest. Likely wouldn't protect against more than a .22 or a .380 ACP round at best, and wouldn't give as good of coverage as other armors. Idea by Scrubbie_McNoob. Ringmail: Simple enough to make, in setting metal rings into a cloth backing of some sort. No protection against bullets or the like, but would block most attempts at cutting through wherever the rings protect. Metal rings could be found in various places - metal shower curtain hangers being but one source which comes to mind. Scalemail: Another simple armor,consisting of hanging overlapping metal plates on a backing of cloth or leather. A fairly straightfowrward option, simply consisting of cutting sheetmetal, such as the corrigated roofs we've seen, or card doors, or any other metal laying around, into squares, then punching two holes in the top of the plates, then sewing them onto a shirt. Not much use against bullets save -maybe- a .22, but it would provide rather nice protection against melee weapons and zombies. Chainmail: While simple in principle, chainmail is a more time consuming, yet in many ways a far better form of armor than ringmail. Though high quality chainmail requires rivets or welding, a simple yet effective form if it can be made out of nothing but steel wire and wire cutters. As with ringmail, it does a good job of stopping blades and blows from drawing blood, but does nothing to stop blunt force trauma or high velocity projectiles.

Fair enough, fair enough.

If it came down to how common they are becoming a concern, then I could see an argument for spawn-only, though as a fun thought perhaps you'd need to find a book on it as a first step in order to craft it, as an extra component most people wouldn't think of, not to mention complexity would be greater than anything we presently craft. As for consistency and variants, that's just a part of something hand-made which is not serialized. Given all this, even with your valid points on the Uzi, I would say that the BSP would be a better choice for a criminal-sourced weapon, and a more situation-fitting weapon in general.

Other than the BSP it's the first gun that comes to mind for a common gang fully automatic weapon. Still, regardless of anything else, that the BSP is an easy-to-make submachinegun present in the black market worldwide, it's still what I'm putting my suggestion behind said BSP for this sort of thing.

Yeah... just gonna say that common criminal element weapons, like the Tec-9 and BSP would make far more sense than an Uzi. Sure Uzi's are cool... but other guns make far more sense. And the BSP gets extra points in my mind for being potentially craftable.

Crimping the rings closed is not historically accurate, as previously pointed out, Most chainmail was riveted. Modern professionally made chainmail, ex sharkmail, is welded. Anyhow.

bumping for hopes of more input and ideas.

As a suggestion, what about gang / criminal / survivalist / otherwise illegally produced firearms? Maybe something like the 9mm BSP?

Out of curiosity for calibers, what about 30-30 Winchester? It's about 2-3 times more powerful than a .357 magnum yet used in the same type of guns generally, is a popular hunting round, and lets you get revolvers, lever action rifles, and bolt action rifles using the round.

You're the first person I've ever heard call DayZ the "anti-game." And if DayZ were not supposed to be fun, then there would be no point to the devs balancing things, or anyone playing it in the first place.

And what if "group/friend" spawns were separated from the standard spawns, and in less optimal locations? Also, that "risk involved" in just trying to play with friends in the first place, is something which makes the game less enjoyable for me. Games are meant to be fun, not second jobs.

Care to explain why not taking a half hour to meet up with friends to enjoy a game together is a bad thing?

Amen to this. I don't even play this game as a shooter outside of self defense, but in general I like being able to do things with friends, and I dislike having to spend a half hour trying to just meet up with them.

Hunting / sporting goods store Let's be honest, there is plenty of signs of hunting on the Chernarus+ map. There's bound to be some hunting supply stores around somewhere. Maybe a hunting / fishing /sporting store. Gas station + convenience store. I don't know about Europe, but it's rather rare to see gas stations not have convenience stores here in the states.

How about this? For guns, electronics, blades, and the like, ruined is replaced by "broken" completely. Make them -have- to be carried in your bag or hands in such a state, as well. Food which reaches "ruined status" is automatically removed. This would mean no more ruined food buildup in the game, which would reduce the rate of food being completely impossible to find in some towns. cloth clothing becomes badly damaged rags once they reach ruined status. Everything else as normal. It might be more complicated, but I think it would solve issues. That would be what I would do, ideally, at least.

This might also contribute to fixing item duplication glitches. Being able to be aware while logging out would also be a godssend for those like me who aren't into shooting other people if I can help it, but i've had more than one instance where logging out led to me losing my character after first hearing gunshots, running for cover, and hiding, then selecing logout to go to a channel where I didn't have a guy trying to kill me on sight for looking for food in the middle of Cernya Polana or Novo.

So even though it was a joke, could the TIV be added as a joke option? :P It is after all just a pickup truck that's been armored for the most part. Or have it labeled "Armored pickup truck" or something. For a different option for the extereme off-road... Hunting trucks? ex minitrucks / Kei trucks- (which are also cheap, so I'd be surprised not to see at least a few in a realistic scenario) Or the Boss Hunting Truck (which is a aftermarket Hummer H1 conversion) There's also the Critter-getter which has been nicknamed the "Ultimate zombie hunting vehicle."

As a joke / I know it's not going to happen, I want a Tornado Intercept Vehicle. In honesty, give me a Ford Mustang and I'll be happy.

So we make food more of an issue - which is planned - and solves the focus on gun spawn issues. Look, we know that the area has a hunting culture based on the deer stands and the like, and it's somewhat immersion / authenticity breaking to not have some sort of hunting goods stores around, which would include civilian firearms. I'm in full support of this so long as the spawns are limited to civilian firearms and exclude anything full-auto. Similarly, military clothing should be excluded, but it should include hunting and utility clothing. So hunter pants, rain jackets, boonie hats, and hunting / hiking / wader boots should be common. There should be hunting / combat knives, machettes, and shovels for melee drops. Ammo of any sort should also be able to be found alongside civilian weapon's magazines. Food would be limited to water bottles / canteens. Hunting backpacks would also be a thing in this spawn. Industrial items that could plausibly be found would be hammers, tents, matches, gas stoves, propane tanks, ropes, flashlights, batteries, and frying pans. Standard first aid kits would also be available in such stores. Of course you wouldn't find all of it at once, but as an idea of what you might find from realistic drop tables, I figure that's a good shortlist. Obviously not the greatest place for server-hoppers, who would be wanting higher tier clothing they could get at a police station / military base / airfield, same on automatic firearms and the like. All these sites would also have more food spawns - making a hunting store unlikely to be a primary target for anyone seriously server-hopping.

They do it in / for Eve.

Well there are still manuals online and video game simulators to teach you.

Agreed, this is a perfect solution.