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Anyone fancy finding that treeline and making an ambushee viewpoint as they ran past him...I'd really be interested to actually see how obvious or not he was in that position :) EDIT: And then compare it to the 3PP viewpoint at that stage

Damn my internet, just streamed it in 360p now buffering it to rewatch in 720p :) Ty for link

There is no B or C vote when you join a server. So not really.

1% sample size for a 1 million population would actually be very significant statistically (99+% confidence interval and 1% margin of error), so long as that's a random selection. But I'm really not expecting 10,000 votes. If it manages to make it to about 400 votes then we get 95% confidence and 5% margin of error which might be attainable and is still incredibly meaningful data.

I'd say render distance might be maybe 15m for me or something...have to go about halfway into the hangars and then zoom to see the items at the back

Speak to Branston and Heinz, sell our beans to the highest bidder for product placement :)

Fair point, reworded the poll with 'ability to see around cover' instead of 'exploit' not sure if it changes much but it's done.

You can freelook behind you in 1PP...so it sucks to wear a mountain backpack if you do, no such disadvantage for the 3PP players at the moment. Peripheral vision is more or less identical since fov is the same for each - the only difference is for 1-2m either side of your character. If someone's snuck up that close to you, 1/3PP is the least of your worries. The only other awareness problem imo is sound design, that should be fixed for 3PP and 1PP cuz it's still in alpha state at teh moment, much like the viewing mechanics/game design and the rest of the game. Saying that 3PP works as it is because 'game design' when we're still in the alpha stage sounds very premature to me. As already discussed, separating the playerbase isn't a good solution (balancing for pve/separating friends with different preferences)

The pop in might be less bad if it was a gradual fade in/out perhaps? I think Project Zomboid does this quite nicely for a 3PP zombie game, maybe DayZ should have the whole out of view fog of war as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4iMO9BpGkQ

Foxhunt: http://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/1kzy02/sa_gamescom_gameplay_with_rocket_gamestar_10min/cbuomj7?context=3 Fukkit: dammit I knew I'd missed out some options :) Not gonna go into an explanation here but read the discussion OP if you want to see why it's considered an exploit by some

Another thread about Ken yay. The whole point of the poll is to prevent the vocal people from shouting down those who's opinions matter just as much. i.e. Please just do the poll, state your piece then go back to the discussion thread ^^

Heh it's fine, I personally can understand the issues people have with the 4th wall, because it's just a mod of a mod demonstration. I do believe that implemented differently using fog of war or a coloured overlay to clearly show what is and isn't directly visible might improve it. Failing that then a much tighter camera angle would ameliorate the issues a lot as well.

The main issues for 1PP are all solvable problems and indeed should be solved at the same time as they're solved for 3PP (sound design, framerate, mouse acceleration, wall clipping). But thanks for responding :)

Too late sorry! But also that misses out the portion of players that like 3PP but don't like the exploit, which was a fault of all the previous polls I saw on the matter - so far about a third of the playerbase isn't diehard 1 or 3PP and just wants it balanced so that they can play together (early days, only 20 votes so far)

I'd play 3PP fixed from the 1PP perspective if that was the case, no need for separate 1PP/3PP fixed because there'd be no advantage to either, just leave the exploiters to have their own hive.

Separate servers and hives doesn't fix the problem, just sidelines it and raises other issues (pve balancing, playing with friends that are unable to play 1PP cuz of motion sickness etc). It's ok, Rocket was looking at the different camera angles option last I heard, maybe he's trolling too :)

There's an other option for solutions, use it if you want. Or just say it doesn't bother you

Not really, it affects balancing, divides the playerbase and results in unhappy 3PP players that want it fixed and unhappy 1PP players that have friends with motion sickness - see the original discussion.

It covers the forum crowd. Statistically that should be a pretty wide cross section of the playerbase, so any results could be extrapolated to the overall playerbase. and it's done http://forums.dayzgame.com/index.php?/topic/165673-poll-3pp-and-1pp/ Go for it guys

I just think it would counter the people that are saying 1PP servers are empty, therefore the exploit is fine. From this thread I've seen plenty of people say things like - 'Hmm nice to think about, I'll give 1PP a go' or - 'I don't like 1PP, but this exploit seems like it is affecting the game in a negative way' and only a handful saying - 'This is how I play, don't remove my ESP' Then from the last poll I saw, about a third of the playerbase is 1PP only already - so I think it might solve the popularity/elitism argument to actually get some valid numbers from the forum base as to who thinks it's an exploit and who thinks it's a valid part of the game. If you'd actually read my opinions, you'd know that I play 1PP purely because of the exploit - I'm in agreement with use of 3PP for certain uses (checking background for camoflage, checking where a wound is located to determine the direction of incoming fire, using it for a higher view when looking over panoramas). So I'd be in option B of my poll. Nice attempt to change the subject, I guess you have option D for yourself, would be interesting to see how other people go on the matter.

And round and round we go... this needs proper poll of opinions to end the drama, not someone relying on pvp-centric points of view or elitism over which pov is better or worse. I play 1PP and will never use 3PP. I play 1PP but would use 3PP if the exploit was fixed. I play 3PP and want the exploit fixed. I play 3PP and think it should stay as it is. Anything else people want in there before I make it?

So it's useless without the exploit rofl. I know where you're coming from now, thanks.

You should tell your friend the truth. We want to fix 3PP not remove it...its in the thread title. And pretty much every single one of the last 25 pages. But your story is good other than that.

Quick guide near the beginning of this vid - bout 1min30 in

Heh I enjoy discussion, even with someone that argues like a politician by sidetracking the points, it's why I got all Paxman on him at the end :P