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You mean the game that was all over youtube that I saw making me get it? The game that everyone wanted to play and the reason BIS sold x million extra copies of Arma2 just because of this mod? Do you mean all those people bought the game and played it in 1st person ONLY and they loved it???????????????????? HOLY FUCK CAN THIS EVEN BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL so we can dispel this argument that 3rd person will lose sales since it was the 1st person element that brought EVERYONE to the game. I think we can close this argument now?

Your not prescribing how others should play if you vote - you're simply answering the question "Would you buy dayz sa if it was 1st person only" You said you would in your reply above "i prefer 1st person" but then seem to think that answering a poll is prescribing how people should play but then go on to say how you like the game to be played, thus prescribing how people should play :huh: <_<

This is the problem with the mod as it is nowadays. It's go so diluted and control has gotten so away from BIS that it's all easy mode and PVP. When we have to survive again (and i'm not talking the ubar ridiculous 1 bean can spawning on the entire map) the game will be as it was meant to have been to begin with. If other players are playing the game equip-in-15-minutes-and-go-pvp game then they're not Dayz'ers, they're tourists. It's meant to be a zombie apocalypse where you creep through invested towns not knowing what is around the next corner - oh that's right, hit enter problem solved.

Where did he say this and what analysis did he do to find this out?

I'm buying it - not because it's good or bad but for £20 which it will probably go for, maybe less, I'm quite happy to give my money to Bis to continue supporting them. As for the poll it was there to put an end to the argument about sales being ruined if 3rd person was taken away. The poll stands at 70% will still buy the game and I can guarantee you those 30% are just saying that on the majority and I'll tell you why. If DayZ SA ships out as a great game then it will be all over Youtube again, showing off all the new features. I don't think anyone can intelligently argue (yes I know exactly what I did there) that the game is entirely unplayable in 3rd person and in fact from a 2st person perspective is perfectly fine just like every other 1st person only shooter out there - it's the same frikkin view. So seeing a great game that everyone is playing but them, how many of those 30% do you think are really going to cut off their nose to spite their faces - wouldn't you have to be a complete fool to do that? If the game sucks when it's launched, the addition of 3rd person is not going to help it. Suckass games don't get played and don't sell.

Oh dear.... :huh:

yes because whenever anyone polls anywhere they look for the whole populace don't they. So when they ask 1000 citizens a question about who they're voting for, they're doing it wrong because they should ask the entire population of the country right? All polls show the argument you keep touting is flawed. It has nothing to do with sales, as you keep asserting, but backing up with literally no evidence. We have several polls going too now, they're all linked in this thread. Please go take a look and then come back with some evidence supporting your case - I won't hold my breath because I don't think you have any. Rather, you're using this stupid argument to try and support your reason for wanting 3rd person. Your argument is baseless - try something else.

Sorry, where was I saying anything about difficulty? I said if Rocket wants to make the game as he has been talking about for years to the point where he wants us crapping in the woods, I fail to see why he would allow easy mode in his game. Difficulties do not apply to the view either - it relates to the AI mostly. There are no players out there who think 1st person only is too "hardcore" - since when has a view ever been reated as a difficulty level - it hasn't until these threads here where the 3rd personers were so desperate for an argument they made this one up "FPS are for hardcore players now, 3rd person is for the easy mode gamer" - what a load of tosh.

The question was a simple yes or no, there's no weighted phrasing of the question which was Would you play dayz SA if 1st person ONLY I'm really not sure how that is trying to get support for 1st person mode. How else would one ask it - all I'm interested in is if the game shipped with first person only, would people still get it. The head bobbing can be turned off (to a point if ur still complaining about it, you'll complain about everything - it really is barely noticeable)- there is no extra bobbing in action, that's your imagination. FOV - press NUMPAD - (double tap it to keep it there) ta daa - instant FOV increase. There's a ton of people on these forums that complain of things not realizing the thing they complain about is fixable in the game. Why no FOV slider - probably to do with weapon sights. You change the FOV and it puts the sights out, at least Frankie says so in his vids (you can also set the .ini file to a custom FOV if you want)

Yes weird how this mod started and what it's become now, like the ridiculous servers you mention. I play on ATF Panthera as it's the most popular - 3rd person - stupid amount of gear spawns and vehicels - is it DayZ - not at all - it's not even remotely like DayZ. It's a pvp fest and it's fun, but I don't feel like I'm playing DayZ compared to Day Zero. If the supporters of 3rd person are also playing the majority of servers like the one I mentioned, then I can see the problem. Rocket needs to make a decision on how he wants his game and the vision of it to be remembered years from now. I hope he doesn't throw out what he wants for a few extra sales or because he wants to pander to the community. His stance has always been "it's a tough game, deal with it" and if he wants to add in such a complex survival game but then give players the "option" of 3rd person - he ruins the entire game in one fell swoop. I'm in an apocalypse! Oh easy mode 3rd person FTW :)

I don't believe the "no's" on my poll and actually think people are just saying that but if the game actually shipped 1st person only, they would buy it (wouldn't it be stupid not to?)

Well the point of the thread was to put an end to the argument "Taking away TPV would ruin sales on the SA". Rather than just say it wouldn't, I posted this Poll just to see what the reaction would be. Thanks for voting :)

take your 28 days later zeds, chasing a guy through the streets, he runs into a store and moments later the zeds come charging in where he's behind the counter, "Sorry guys, it's released Monday" Camera cuts to all the zombies with this face :( awwwww little zombie tears, sniff

Thanks for that :)

It doesn't fuss me that it's 3rd person at all. Since I have so many options of games out there, why must everyone of those conform to what I want? I am spoiled for choice on the whole so I can find any game I want to play pretty much. I immerse myself into games and don't notice the aspect of 1st/3rd or whatever view I get as long as the game play is good. Tombraider for instance I thought was exceptional. I got involved into the story and loved the game play. When it comes to PVP games though, or horror genres, I prefer 1st person. FEAR would have been ruined in 3rd person for instance. The advantages of 3rd person over other players in dayz ruins the immersion - I don't know why its even being considered and why Rocket thinks that having an advantage over another player is acceptable. edit: If dayz came out 3rd person only btw, i'd still get it.

I stopped buying their games after they stuck a knife into the back of the community.

If the overwhelming majority voted No, I would eat that big banana up there. We're concerned with the truth and reality after all, not making up blind assertions about "sales" and then using an unsupported statistic to support an unsubstantiated claim. It's not an argument. It's baseless, is unsupported by any evidence and should be dropped. What this thread is basically supporting is someone making something up that is fiction and then everyone else arguing about it. "Teapots shouldn't be red with yellow stripes, there will be less sales" "But it's the only teapot in existence, people will have to buy it if they want a cup of tea!" 1200 posts later "Grrrrrr...." ;)

It's a non issue - people will use whatever tools they are given to play the game. It won't affect sales one bit and easily proved by asking one simple question, "When was the last time you didn't buy a game because it had no 3rd person option?" Does anyone even consider that when buying games? It's NEVER occurred to me to even think about out and neither has anyone else. This is why this argument is stupid and why it is wrong.

oh fuck me! I thought that's what I was meant to see. BIS - FIX THIS RIGHT NOW! >:(

ok people, go back up and re-read my OP. this is not a thread for discussion, I already posted the link so you could add to that. There don't need to be more options - it's a simple yes or no question. Would you still play the game without 3rd person and it seems already 5 times the number say they will - which of course you will - why would you want to miss out on it? It's really a no brainer but was required to prove a point that the lack of 3rd person will seriously harm sales in any way at all. Thanks for voting, keep them coming it! :)

And that argument is blatantly wrong, I think several people have shot down the notion that people won't buy the SA "just because it doesn't have 3rd person" I mean, seriously, who's going to do that? EDIT: Oh look my poll already shows 5 times in favour of saying they would still buy the game if there was no 3rd person. Quelle surprise.

That argument was used a year ago now - that we already had cod/bf3 players here because of all the kos. They're already here - amazingly, people like to play different games for different experiences.

3rd person works because it gives an advantage over 1st person - most players will always adopt the easier option if it's available to them. 1st person is a little clunky and that will be improved in the SA. Arma 3 is much improved over arma 2 and they're using the same system pretty much aren't they?

I'd have to say that I play games to play the game, not to look at the car. I had plenty of fun in Geoff Crammonds F1 - hours of entertainment in the cockpit of the car - you know where the driver sits. It;s not an arguemnt anyway since the user you quoted plays FPS's where there is no third person option.

Seriously wrong. My friends and I don't avoid fights but don't go looking for them. We move across the map with whatever objective we have in mind - if we come into contact with other players we asses the situation and go from there. You cannot label so easily.