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I made a similar point years ago when the mod got popular. We need a new name for them....

There seems to be a general trend that 3pp is harder than 1pp - I'm trying to dispel this myth at every opportunity ;)

Hands you book, "Discovering sarcasm for the first time and hope to cope with it"

They can't "swap engines". They should have made a new engine at the start that could handle large view distances and maps but was more suited to the genre but you do realise we wouldn't even be at Alpha release right now right? They're bastardising the Arma engine to make it into a zombie sim. If they started a new engine, they could remove all the unnecessary code and make a dedicated "Virtual Zed Engine 1.0" or something. This would include things like - Dedicated zombie AI (that can handle thousands of zeds). Zombies will chase you, horde you, grab you and drag you down to the floor where your guts will be ripped from your stomach. Zeds AI will evolve as time progresses meaning their habits will change and maybe even have more than one type of zombie. - Evolving game world. When you start playing, don't expect the map to look like it does 6 months later. Moss will start to grow on cars, creepers will hang off poles and houses, plants will start to grow up in parks and animals will get bolder as they expand into the cities. - Story Elements. Scripted AI human events that will crop up randomly on a server and rare. These could be injected into the game and if they happen rarely enough, it will start a rumor mill. This will add to the immersive nature of the game as people tell others of their findings. Will you ever run across one of these rare easter eggs? What will it be - the imagination will drive whatever events fit into the game. Maybe a chopper flies over your head smoking and crashes nearby. Did anyone else see it? When you get there what do you find, a scientist, dying but needs to get to a secret base that the devs put into the game via an update a month ago (or was it always there but nobody ever found it. Does it need a code to the door to get in - are you the first person to know of the location? What's that noise? Fuck! 300 zeds from the nearby town are rushing towards you - do you spend time searching the wreckage? to you fight? Did you put a bullet in the scientists head because he's about to wake up as one of the undead and if ur not paying attention - that one bite on your ankle is going to ruin your whole life. - Huge map, 4 times bigger than Chernarus with rivers! - Optimised and 64 bit only - First person ONLY!!!! :P - Zombie hookers! :beans: :beans: I think you see where I'm going but I don't think BI will ever do this.

That is coming, apparently. As long as elecktro has 657 zombies in it I'll be happy.

WAIT!!! Are people saying that in a zombie apocalypse, where death could only be around the corner, where access to medicines, clean water and foods is severely limited that they don't want to be scavenging the countryside for supplies so they can live? Why the fuck are you playing a zombie apocalypse game then where the premise is survival and having to scavenge? edit: Oh FUCK ME why can't I just play chess exactly the same em way I play scrabble? Why isn't my car able to get cable?? These shoes don't keep my hands very warm and and sandpaper hurts when i use it to wipe my ass!! WAAAWAAAWAAA

Gas mask is great in a room full of CS gas until your instructor tells you to take it off and call out your name and number and maybe what your dogs name is.... Like Spartan alludes, it would be great if they had a use.

And that argument isn't worth having because people like what they like. We can however demonstrably prove that 3rd person is easier. I think the "harder" argument stems from where one person is camping and looking at an area making it "harder" for another player to go through it. What they fail to realise is that it makes it way easier for the camper, massively easier. 1st person takes more effort which is why people like 3pp more. They don't have to waste time playing the game so they can get on with what they want to do.

Nope FOV affects people with motion sickness too, like I just said about total biscuit and what head bob? Turning it off for me makes it so minute I couldn't tell u if my head actually bobs or my screen is stable without going to check. I also said that people do get motion sickness so my post wasn't even directed at people like you - did you even read it?

Nope I'm not having this at all. Please explain how 3rd person is just as easy. Cite an example of some play through and then argue how they are the same level of difficulty. I'll give you two 1) ur on a roof I'm on the ground - please tell me how I am going to equalise the advantage you claim we both have access to. 2) you're in 3pp and I'm in 1pp. We're having a race to get from one side of the city to the other but if a zed sees us we lose - who has the advantage here - which one has it easier?

LOL maybe everyone avoids NW thinking everyone else is up there. Frankie and most other YT'ers play on 3rd person servers (obviously it makes for better footage) so it's hard to tell what's going on. All I know if that on 1st Person, the change was obvious to me. I was running around in the open, expecting to get shot or have anyone I met shoot me and it just didn't happen. Tried similar on 3pp and literally have died every time. Of course, if 1st person was the only option, this wouldn't even be up for debate.

OK i'm just going to come out and say that this motion sickness parts is a red herring for the most part (I'll explain why in a bit) and is a bullshit excuse people are using. Most people don't get it and why have we never heard of this issue for the last 20 years we've had first person shooters. You can adjust the FOV massively and Total Biscuit has motion sickness issues but it seems as long as there's a slider, he's happy (and dayz goes way over the angle he likes too). So, the motion sickness can be fixed by adjusting your FOV. Now that being said, it doesn't help if your frame rates suck which mine do. I don't get motion sickness playing games unless I whitey out from smoking too much marijuana but in Dayz, once I get into a city I have to look at the floor or I start feeling sick after a few minutes. FOV in this case won't work but 3rd person helps because I can fix on my av. Even looking at the road in 1st person is nauseating - try it for a few minutes. When u have a motionless point to fix on it helps. Nb: I know people do suffer motion sickness playing games so I'm not saying they're making excuses but I think some people are using it as an excuse otherwise it's just happens on dayz OR suddenly we have a mass of gamers that get motion sickness. How many people play COD of BF4 with no issues?

Strange - The only friendly person I ran into on 3rdPP was a 12 year old lol. I agree with your points about 3pp and cannot get with the logic how 3pp is harder - still waiting for the argument supporting that theory :)

I refuse to grind for gear. Fuck that boring ass shit. I like going across the map with my mates and finding things it doesn't matter how long it takes. You all do realise that having no end game, there's absolutely no rush to get anything, right?

I remember one kid I helped out. I set him up with a gun, axe, medikit. Anyway I run off to loot some and head up the firestation in my bright orange coat and red hat and he's up there but doesn't hear me come up. I scared the crap out of him and he hits me with his Axe so I run down the stairs yelling, "I just gave you my gear only 2 minutes ago!" So he then remembers who I am and patches me up. After this he told he panicked and just started hitting so it just goes to show, even in bright red and orange you panic someone and they might react violently even though they were friendly. To Jumb - presumably floating over your body feels natural to you? What is it about FPS where dayz is the only game people argue how bad FPS like dayz is the first ever game to invent First Person Shooter. They've been around years and are the "natural" way to game as you're looking through your avatar's eyes. Maybe ur eyes float behind ur head? They make the game much easier (Ether and Karma) which is undeniably provable and yet this "3rd person is harder" is still bandied about so please state your case because I'm not buying this for a minute right now and have a very good argument proving how easy 3rd person view is.

The gear ur carrying is irrelevant as when you're a freshspawn you suffer the same damage.... unless you hit an object on the way down first. Then you can fall any distance and survive unscratched.

I was playing on 40 player 1st person servers too btw. Whilst you may have the ability yourself, you can't use it against a player camped on a roof if ur on the street below so that argument fails and also isn't the scope of this thread. Anyone else finding 1st person servers more friendly?

I don't have a problem with spawning zeds either. I would support a new engine, I said it in the mod. I don't think the Arma engine is the best for this type of game.

Don't forget all the sales they got from Arma 2 when the mod came out which could have been another million copies.

I was in a 3 story house in electro the other day when this guy with a wrench.... ;)

I see no reason NOT to spawn all over the map. What's so special about the north that people have to make the trip and once they done it the one time, who cares where you spawn the next time.

I only watched that because of the girl.

"Hi I'm friendly" Bang So unpredictable...

Aren't these everywhere?