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I did a thread on controlling old industry http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/45284-control-old-industry/ I think this is also a good way to forge peeps together and potentially change the atmosphere of cherno/electro 180, aswell as promoting very interesting potential PvP interactions.

I dont see anything wrong with this poll, peeps less then warm reaction to it makes me kinda happy peeps seem loyal to Day Z But i dont think many peeps realize how different a game it potentially is compared to every other MMO. When it is standalone (im not even gonna consider if :)) itll be much different to War Z let alone any other game. Will I play WarZ? Inevitably I guess, given the amount of gamers I live with. Will i give up on DayZ? lol

The book of BR is fucking amazing. really goes into the politics and kind of society that would produce the Battle Royale Act. The size of the book is a bit off putting at first, but it does suck ye in. Very good read.

Oh god, dunno what to think of that. I though BR2 was a complete fecking disaster tbh, (id been waiting for it for so long) But yea would be cool to have the time limit on too, probably have to reduce the realistic time progressioon in DayZ though. DOubt the same 50 will be on the same server for 3 days :S

Kind of, but battle Royale!!! So for one, ye all got bomb necklaces and danger zones are introduced that progressively force all survivors into the same area XD

Booooooo XD I havnt seen huner games either tbh, I have seen BR2 though, waited many years for that pile of shit to get smeared all over my TV, waaas nooooot impressed at all But yea BR the game would be cool, and a MOD of this type would be closest i feel any game could come to it.

Now before I begin, this is not going to be a spilling of grim imagery, that frequent browsers would have probably seen; the occasional violent or "procreative" thread :) Nor is this a thread about whether DayZ should be censored (that was just to unknowingly reel you in :) of course it will be. Thats reality of dealing with large industry and wide commercial access. If all youve got to post is a loyal recitation of censorship law or "doesnt matter anyway censorship censorship", please dont post. Its about what you think about censoring a game like this. Personally to me, games are a form of art media. And all media push the boundaries of taboos. No matter how much it freaks people out, taboos get broken, we move on, then it becomes the norm. Games are really the last frontier for breaking taboos, and thats due to their potential for being immersive. Personally i think censorship is bullshit by anywhooo. What makes me post this thread is that Day Z is already pushing this frontier by introducing practically a new sub genre of fps. Survival; essentially looking after yourself in a virtual world. After this.. the only thing left to improve really is virtual reality simulations and we could be looking at very strange gaming future indeed. Just incase peeps think im going on a bit of a tangent, this is an interesting documentary trailer worth watching that might help ye see what im trying to get at: http://criticalpathproject.com/trailer/index.html What I ask to you, the reader, how far can emotional connection with your in game character be made, if a world which is essentially simulating apocalyptic biological genocide, does not contain the brutality and injustice you would of expect of it. (I dont wanna finish my point of view because i wouldnt mind seeing what peeps think about this)

Sooo theres a few threads around putting the point across for farming (taking food from the fields) Immersive Roleplay harvesting food from the ponds, Fishing - Tackle, Traps and Rods! *Update* and foraging (taking food from the woods and countryside) Living off the Land, Disease and other things i think its unnecessary having a list of potential edible vegetables and fauna just yet, but i would like to suggest two new permafixtures, Cultivation Plot and/or Green House (http://www.garden4le...-greenhouse.jpg) ] This would enable players to set up their own patch to grow food from seeds and tools found in farms/forests/Allotments, Growing Food/Harvesting? But this wouldnt just serve for food. It could enable Botany for small groups operating far from major towns or hospitals. If medical conditions are diversified, this could serve for rural medicines OR compounds could be taken to a hospital for further refinement Herbal Botany [Natural Food & Medicine] thoughts? (Shortened idea from Control Rural Industry)

Now before I begin, this is not going to be a spilling of grim imagery, that frequent browsers would have probably seen; the occasional violent or "procreative" thread :) Nor is this a thread about whether DayZ should be censored (that was just to unknowingly reel you in :) of course it will be. Thats reality of dealing with large industry and wide commercial access. If all youve got to post is a loyal recitation of censorship law or "doesnt matter anyway censorship censorship", please dont post. Its about what you think about censoring a game like this. Personally to me, games are a form of art media. And all media push the boundaries of taboos. No matter how much it freaks people out, taboos get broken, we move on, then it becomes the norm. Games are really the last frontier for breaking taboos, and thats due to their potential for being immersive. Personally i think censorship is bullshit anywhooo. What makes me post this thread is that Day Z is already pushing this frontier by introducing practically a new sub genre of fps. Survival; essentially looking after yourself in a virtual world. After this.. the only thing left to improve really is virtual reality simulations and we could be looking at very strange gaming future indeed. Just incase peeps think im going on a bit of a tangent, this is an interesting documentary trailer worth watching that might help ye see what im trying to get at: http://criticalpathp...iler/index.html What I ask to you, the reader, how far can emotional connection with your in game character be made, if a world which is essentially simulating apocalyptic biological genocide, does not contain the brutality and injustice you would of expect of it. (I dont wanna finish my point of view because i wouldnt mind seeing what peeps think about this) Brought over from General Discussion because i think more frequent posters here will know what threads im talking about

cooooool, yea thatd be sick, although im guessing they would have to start introducing UV lights n such if all this was gonna be taken underground. Do ye have a link at all for that? No worries if not XD

grrr XD First of all the page, is directly off the web page ye linked Secondly that quote does highlight their "financial structure" but not their "organisational structure" "The BBFC has one President and two Vice Presidents. They are designated with statutory responsibility for the classification of video/DVDs under the Video Recordings Act 1984. The President and Vice Presidents are consulted in the case of difficult or controversial works that raise particular questions of policy. They are appointed by the Council of Management." TMA is a private company, in my opinion, ANY private company that operates in the realm of public awareness (yes i mean all privatization) will always be flawed due the mentality of self economy promotes "gain wealth, forgetting all but self", it will always conflict with profit incentive. (again this is where the debate must go and this reeealllly isnt the place for it) The mixture of a paranoid industry driven by profiteering, and a "consumer" audience diversified with opinion, has led to the formation of such "boards" and "commities" which only exist because of this bizarre foundation laying of economic principles and cultural perspectives, no they are not "profitting" in the the sense of physical money, THEY are profitting from a psychological hole thats left in this social paradigm, its an area that can be exploited because of the terminology and issues that can incited to provoke justification for their existence. I would say an analogy would be the Tea Party in america, or possibly even the NRA. EDIT: actually i dunno why there is a link to TMA in there (brb :S) this is better: http://www.sbbfc.co.uk/structure an organisation doesnt have to accumulate money, or take "bribes"/incentives to have a basis of control, they just have to be in a position where there is a void. and in the specifics of BBFC. They are an independent "regulatory" body who were not appointed democratically, and wield way too much control over an issue nowhere near fully appreciated or understood.

ye been hacked methinks :(

yup not too long ago i saw a thread on this, and another on rollerskates too XD both seemed to happily conclude they should be slower on the grass though, itd be a cool way stock up quite a few supplies to transfer to a car or outta town XD

XD if ye have got the time or generally interested, i did a similar themed topic for rural industry, http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/48022-control-rural-industry/ Not as sexy and exciting im afraid XD But its an attempt to open similar sandbox potentials for smaller groups or lone wolves who wish to engage in this type of objective too XD

!!!!!! DO you know how censorship boards work???? Do you know what they essentially do? They edit media! Thats what they do, they say if you want something to reach a certain audience, cut this this and this. That in my opinion, is not only arrogant, its completely disrespectful. BBFC is directed, organised and led by a private corporation, not any democratic, and certainly not transparent body. Sure they have guidelines laid out, but guidelines can be completely obscure and meaningless when you get to the detail of content. They are a non profit organisation, funded by a private profit based company, in the business of regulating media for... a media company!!! Structure of BBFC funded by TMA Dont gimme that "they're in it for us", media does not lead to morale or social degeneration, poor and harsh environments do. I refuse to believe anyone on this forum seriously think games and films can make you do violent things, and if you do and youve somehow found this game, your a fantastic mixture of naivety and luck. This regulatory body holds an illusionary grip over so many media art forms over a pathetic excuse of avoiding social morale harm. Its a load of bullshit, and if ye think that having private control over a regulatory body like that, in the media industry isnt a base of extreme power, then ye are pretty naive yourself. EDIT also on another note, this is starting to slip into censorship law which is what i wanted to avoid in ze OP, mostly because i know where this debate is going, and i dunno if ye noticed but i have a habit of getting easily riled up and agitated whence politics enters ze debate :S

Of course children should be shielded from some things, but only things that are lacking of an explanation or description by an adult, and it is very hard to determine levels of maturity, the best people who can do this, are responsible parents, who know their children. Of course there are irresponsible parents, but in terms of what and what not they omit i think is a bit of a mute point. People make mistakes, and children to develop and come to terms with much worser things than a bad film. As long as their not buggering their children in the basement i think they can feel pretty secure in easing their child through any horrible film they saw And on clasification regulation im afraid i strongly disagree, heres a documentary on american censorship http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0493459/ that is a very good watch. But seeing as you raise BBFC, i would like you to tell me who these professionals are? And how were they picked to pick the standards of acceptable viewing, because generally if you apply that same regulatory authority to other areas of society, its usually conducted democratically and transparently. Certification is essentially bullshit, its not legislated, its just a delusional mix of industry paranoia and public passiveness in the wake of monstrous over stimulation which allows certificate boards to carry on having such a debilitating grip on media expressions. Like i said i dont mind some basic overview process letting people have bit of knowledge of whats install. But so far unregulated regulatory bodies can make or break peoples life work, because they cringed whilst watching playing it. EDIT or at least its supposed to be XD

pfft i think ye should check your partner, hes the one with them sausage finger cigars requiring the length of match to light. noooo noooo, the evidence is mounting.

Oh Jimmy, you were lucky this time, but ye should learn a lesson or two from Omar about patience. Omar would fucking own this game.

Nooo nooo, still i think ye are missing aspects, probably bits and pieces that i havnt really clarified or maybe mentioned. First of all, yes they're would be greifers, but there would also be non griefers, peeps who like you, LIKE MANY ON THE FORUM, did not like this behavior and immediately would shut it down if they saw it. Thats what interesting about it, its the conflict of wanting to do it, and others not wanting you to do it. Yup there should always be a return to health, but tbh the health system in this game is deeply flawed, and will certainly be developed and diversified, i wouldnt surprised if new injuries are introduced with varying debilitating effects. Sure ye wont be feeling anything, but ye may not want your character to be kicked out of prison only to be left hobbling home. And with that prospect i bet there would be a few characters who would give up info, potentially more easily then getting someone to give up their equipment (although i hardly see peeps complaining of this type of interaction) And i played fallout, loved it, got bored of it, now im here. But that is a good example, the kind of characters you came across in that game, would not be possible on this game, because of limitations on sandbox human behavior, yet those are the kind of situations that are imagined and portrayed in horror/apocalyptic scenarios again and again. The problem with this, is you cant leave the blame with an NPC, its all got to be be player driven.

well ye shouldnt because violence is an overhyped issue in media

exactly, as well it has the potential to unlock the kind of ethical and morale questions you would ask in survival situation, if your in a group thats engaging in horrible acts do you join in? stop them? passively watch on whilst you become detached from them? Potentially adds very interesting group dynamics

Yea thats because boundaries and taboos have changed! thats the nature of em! and yup that was strictly off the menu tonight, because technically alot of debates could be shut down around the pretense of "legislation" and seeing as you dont see the point, let me give you an example. Scenario One: A friend has been captured, tortured and mutilated by a troll, you return the favour not out of trolling but out of revenge (notice how the intention is different) Scenario Two: Rival Bandit groups capture and imprison a rival player, they utilize torture to extract info (this becomes possible through players desire to keep their character healthy and fit) Scenerio Three (the best one): In whatever group torture case, there is always the liklihood of someone like you, who says "this is sick, wtf are they doing", the interesting part comes in, as to what do you do? Do you attack them captors and set that person free, do you stand by but feel increasingly detached from you team mates which determines choices you later make with them, or do you join in and progressively numb yourself to these brutal actions. What I love about this potential is that it may unlock the kind of moral and ethical questions you expect to emerge from a survival situation. As one of rockets ideas, is the ageing of characters (the ruggedness developing on their face), evidence of torture on people could be incorporated

:') It makes me sad too, was gonna tidy this up a bit more at some point and give it a rebump after i do so. Tis a mixture 'tween peeps being put off by length of text, and a combined mixture of repetitive/trolling threads and their counter part Rocket Vanguard posters consistently rebumping them with condemning posts, as if they are doing anyone a favour :( Thank ye for the bump though, be cool if you could contribute more if ye have any thoughts on it after ive cleaned it up a bit XD

You see right there ye have completely missed what i was suggesting, not to mention in the OP saying this isnt a debate about censorship law. There are many reasons which im not gonna go into as i also said on the OP, this thread isnt about getting into the nitty gritty of brutality, Its about how immersive and real this game will feel. The point i was making in torture, is that the kind of ethical and morale issues might get raised in game, and lead to more dynamic PvP interactions, where trust and mutual understanding start to get tested. Also, GTA, Manhunt, Postal, COD, Carmegeddon? methinks they all profitted a bit off the taboo sensationalism.

AAND i love that, and to prove it, I done wrote this XD Control Old Industry What im trying to get at, is something more than that, to do with the potential of physical human interactons and acitivities. Okk seeing as i feel i need to make another example. Torturing, say this was introduced, already seen very good feedback in many threads suggesting imprisonment (handcuffs/zipties being introduced), ive seen several torture threads with equally mixed but deeply bitter opinions on it. What amazes me, is that if it were introduced, that exact debate might occur in the game itself. The kind of morale and ethical issues that rise in survival situations are never asked in game. That would be truley impressive to incite without dictation switches or storyboards.