r3volution (DayZ)

Does this make you a combat logger? ;) (HAH!)

I personally tend to see 3-4 as the ideal size. Mind you, we talk shit and enjoy ourselves while we do this, so it gets unruly if it's larger than 4. Having seen 8 of my friends rolling around in the mod none of us with any mic discipline it was watching a very small noisy and violent flashmob at work. Hilarious, but we got the crap shot out of us. Guess it comes down to how social vs disciplined your playstyle is really.

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Has anyone else noticed that the Gorka camo suits don't show the actual camouflage on the mid-long distance LOD textures? It just seems to show up as a kind of shiny khaki green? They also still seem to be slightly light reflecting especially compared to the TTSKO uniform set or hunter pants. Please tell me its not just me that notices these things. ;)

Found summer Gorka jacket... totally stoked. Not a single sign of a SMG though. And loot is DEFINITELY not spawning in those wooden floored single entrance military tents. Also +10 points for now being able to paint the flight helmet. B)

Is anyone else noticing that the Gorka pants have a distinctly eerie shiny 'glow' to them? I know that Gorka suits are mostly synthetic/canvas, but it feels like the texture needs to be a lot flatter and more matte. In my game at least it's reflecting WAY too much ambient light, which makes them seem to glow a little and makes them far more obvious than the matte texture TTSKO or hunting pants.

Totally endorse this thread. I think its a massive concern that the true wilderness areas in the north are now host to a valley full of heavy industry and high value buildings. I think it's fantastic that the standalone has taken such a survival oriented focus in terms of features. But it does concern me that they're rapidly removing anywhere to utilise these new features without being shot from a nearby apartment block or military installation. I too used to love the metagame of placing camps and finding deserted spots off the beaten track. But without the sprawling forests of the north I think we're rapidly running out of places that will be unfrequented in order to stash a campsite. SAVE THE FORESTS! (also a bit more undergrowth in the forests would be awesome, just to make them seem a bit less like tame pine plantations and to also make it harder to see people and tents)/

Glad to have helped mate. It's tough having a sense of empathy and ethics in a game which (if the posts in this are anything to go by) does not have a particularly empathetic or ethical player population. But it's nice to see you're not letting the masses sway your opinion. ;) I'm also not blaming the victim here, but as someone pointed out if you just race up to someone in the game it does tend to generate a greater chance of these sort of situations. If I encounter another player in this game I'll usually hail them from a fair way away and let them know I'm there (from cover, cuz, safety first). If I run into them in a house or something I'll race back out of there to somewhere safe and then hail them to see if they're friendly. I've even managed to defuse potential axefests this way, because often people's first reaction on having another player literally run into them is to lash out with whatever is to hand. Caution is the key from ALL sides, if anyone wants to survive an encounter with an unknown player.

Mooky, I know a bit of that. First time I killed a guy in DayZ (this was in the early days of the mod) was just a panic kill, he wasn't actually threatening me. I came up some stairs and saw the guy there, totally freaked when I realised he wasn't the mate I was playing with, and fired half a clip before I realised he'd started yelling he was friendly. I talked to him after I'd killed him and apologised and he said he understood but I still felt like an asshole for a few days. I know there's plenty of people who laugh it up when they kill someone, but not me (unless it's an actual bandit, then it's party time). So my conclusion to that was to play a lot more cautiously. If I KNOW I'm under threat I will fire, but I give people the benefit of the doubt a lot more now. I'll also go out of my way to help others in the game a lot more. Help out someone next time you play the game I guess, that and know that this is DayZ, even with the best of intentions, sometimes shit does happen. Just don't let it make you an asshole. ;)

OP I would have phrased it more like this; Experimental Servers needed for NZ/AU... maybe that would help persuade? I personally don't mind sharing an experimental server with our friendly eastern neighbours.

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Perhaps it was a little strong, but they're exhibiting highly sociopathic behaviours. And of course they aren't the ONLY type of sociopath. Sociopaths are as varied as people in general.

Straw-man argument. Neither of those games have permadeath, so your comparison is invalid. DayZ is a roguelike game which means you do not just respawn with your pre-death loadout in 5 seconds (BF4).

To the OP. Congratulations. You're NOT a SOCIOPATH! That probably marks you apart from about 30% of the people who play this game. Sociopathy is defined by the inability to relate to (for example, feel empathy for) other people. What you have experienced is in fact empathy. This is a good thing and to be encouraged. Please ignore every sociopath who has called you derogatory names. They have their own path to travel. *edit* As something of a pre-emptive strike let me also add that the medium of interaction does NOT change the pathology of behaviour. E.g excusing said behaviour by saying 'it's just in a game' is incorrect.

Rama, totally agree, I posted a very similar idea a couple pages back. Nice to see that there's other people thinking along the same lines. If there's just about every other health system in the game why not mental health?

Vehicles and base building alone could accomplish some of the same effect. However that's the carrot. Psychological health system is the stick. Bear in mind that even the 'stick' won't actually STOP someone from wandering around killing everyone they encounter, nor is it meant to. I don't want to regulate behaviour in a game which is about choice. But if you're going to have freedom to choose what you do, you should also have the freedom to suffer the consequences of your choices. Given that this is embodied in the game in every other sense, hunger, thirst, injury etc, the lack of a psychological health system leaves it unbalanced. So no, this won't stop the cities being a deathtrap, it won't stop bands of bandits roaming around. Nor will it stop some people from killing everything they see. But it will ensure that this takes place in a more plausible manner.

Wow, two straw man arguments in one day. My luck! Ok, firstly, absolutely this encourages squads of bandits, it encourages squads of everyone. That's fine and that IS EXACTLY what I want to do. That's starting the blocks of society right there. A lot of the KOS crowd that seem to get by on griefing are not part of a group and are just wandering around solo killing anyone else rather than interacting. IF you have a group of guys who runs around deciding to try and kill everyone, fine, that's more plausible and indeed probably not significantly different from a large part of early human history. And to DeatHTaX, that was not stating that my day was ruined from getting killed in DayZ. It was paraphrasing and summing the views that the KOS crowd had put forward in this thread. That's what they seek by their own statement. I personally will get slightly annoyed if I die pointlessly, but it's a roguelike game so that's part of the point. Also, I have no objection to a gang of people who want to get their kicks that way, attempting to apprehend me and chuck a burlap sack over my head. That's not KOSing. It might be a dick move, but it's not KOS.

Wow, I'm amazed at how tough and h4rdk0r3 the KOS crowd are. You guys are so cool, I want to be just like you. Every time I read one of the hundred variations of 'I just like this game because it allows me to ruin someone else's day' I think, what a fulfilling life this must be! I didn't actually realise the school bullies hadn't grown up but were just hiding in adult clothes during the day, waiting till they could go home and play DayZ. What did you guys do before this for fun? Kidnap and torture other people's pets? What I'm reading here is that if I release a game called 'sociopath simulator' it's going to be huge. Anyone with me? I don't want to go into the details too much, but it's a much studied and well established psychological fact that you cannot kill people all day every day without spending any time in human company without psychologically going to shit. This should be represented in game. Just because the KOS crowd think they're so hardcore that they could kill all day every day without a conscience, does not make this true. If we have to deal with blood types in the game, we should certainly have the gradual psychological breakdown of the loners who shoot people rather than interact represented. This could be done through random 'flashbacks', hearing voices that aren't there, or hallucinating players that aren't there. This could be alleviated by spending time in the company of people without killing them, or reversed. No humanity system, just a sanity system. I mean every other kind of health is represented, why the hell not psychological.

For it to be truly fair, we'd need the ability to make campfires again, or getting exposure would be pretty difficult to combat.

Errrr couldn't people change out of those skins in the mod? So there was no guarantee at all you could tell what someone was by looking at them. The audio was really the only thing and you had to get close for that. I mean even tho there was a bandit skin I think 50% of the bandits i ran into were wearing ghillie suits.

Well that's a bit of a shame. Exploitable though the humanity system was, the audio cues had a lot of potential. Helped to counter the fact that every human behavioural cue can't really be implemented in the game.

I dont know if it's already been hashed out in the 20 pages of this that I didn't read (I swear I read the other 22 but ran out of time) but the humanity system in the mod used an audio cue of the player's heart beating faster to simulate someone getting nervous if they were close to and looked at a player who had a very low humanity level. Also hah, this thread won't die for a reason. We had humanity system in the mod, there's no reason there shouldn't be something like that in the standalone. :D

I know what you mean. I've only played 80 hours or so of the standalone but I've definitely run into this issue. I think it just stems from the fact that its a game where the content and narrative etc is all player driven, if there's no real player organisation or ability to do bigger things than just troll around looking for gear and dodging zombies solo or in small groups then that narrative and content can be a bit shallow. This is especially exaggerated by the lack of tents which are significant in that they allow the players to create a 'permanent' presence in the world and set down roots. If everyone is forced into the role of psychotic nomad with everything on their back and constantly wandering from place to place shooting people it's not surprising that people feel like they've 'run out of things to do'. Once people can start placing tents and repairing vehicles (always good to have things to do which encourage a bit of cooperation) then I expect it will get better. That and adding more zombies, the almost extinct chernarussian zombies are less an environmental threat than an endangered species in need of conservation. ;) In reference to the changes in player behaviour (i.e some locations are weirdly deserted and others are oddly populous) I had put that mainly down to the spawns, but Svetlojarsk may have also affected this. More people spawning away from the coast zone completely changes the traditional 'inward migration' type of player movement. So areas like Krasnostav which were very deserted in the mod have become high traffic areas thanks to spawns south of Berezino, while the removal of the military camp at Stary Sobor has lessened the player numbers there a bit. It's fascinating to see how much of a knock on effect these changes have to player movements. It would be amazing to be able to watch the movements of all players on a server on a map to see how different those movement patterns have become from the mod days.

While part of me would like to join the tide of anger at the OP I'm actually just kind of glad that at least ONE PERSON who's committed an act of extreme bastardry in the game (and it was extreme bastardry!) has enough self-awareness to realise it, grow a conscience and attempt to apologise, and HOPEFULLY won't do it again. But seriously, you should do some self inflicted restitution through helping out freshspawns for a while, that might help erase the guilt. At least you won't be thoroughly surprised when one of them surprise axes you. ;)

Yeah, it actually concerns me that people come to some kind of reductive reasoning which says that if there's no endgame, the only thing to do is... kill everyone you see? To every KOS'er who is killing people beacuse there is 'a lack of anything better to do' go out and and try helping out some noobs/bambis. How about you embrace the challenge of helping out the new entrants to the game or people who are respawning. As with the OP I don't necessarily have a problem with a proportion of people doing the KOS thing. I just get concerned when the reason that gets trotted out EVERY time is 'there's nothing else to do'. Well there is, you could try helping out someone you've never met just because. Who knows, you might even surprise yourself and feel good about it.