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I'm inclined to set stuff aside and say this. I love first person, I use it most of the time (even in ArmA), but taking out third person is by no means, a solution. I only mean to defend the people who use it. Sure it isn't too "realistic" but it is an attempt at making up for senses you can't use (read that somewhere). As for this "proof" "It's cheating"/"giving an unfair advantage" While it is true, you have to think. Even if they weren't hiding behind something, odds are you still wouldn't see them. Hiding behind something is taking away the possibility that they see you. They eventually have to get out of that cover to shoot you. Think about it, you're hiding next to a log or in tall grass with someone walking by. In real life, you'd be able to peak over it instead of exposing your whole body correct? In the game there is no way to do that, third person can help that. Now seeing over and around walls is a whole nother story... If you really think about it, it just makes you kind of a dick if you use it like that... but from what I've seen, they might be trying to eliminate that, like zooming in like you had our back to something... not to sure about that"It's unrealistic" Well sure, but think about it, if someone walks up to you from the side, you wouldn't know unless you looked that way. that's just how games are. Third person lets you see them when they get close.(also the log thing I said in the previous bullet) Like I said before, it just makes up for senses you can't use in game. Seems alright to me...Making it first person only is "How the game should be"/"How it's designed" This is most definitely not true and is the most bias thing you've said. When you can give me written proof as to where a developer has said that the game was designed to be the most hardcore realistic game out there, and solid proof that it is designed around being first person, then I will agree. You have to remember that this is a game, not only does it have to be fun, but it has to keep peoples attention. While first person is fun, others find third person fun. Everyone has their own play style, and you want to eliminate the people who play in third person. Getting rid of third person would get rid of about 3/4 of the community and the devs would get SO much shit for it. It's impractical to get rid of something that is being used so much. I have no beef with you, I do not want to be your enemy, but the constant "you're obviously not reading my posts" is borderline irritating... I am reading your posts, but when I respond, it seems like you would rather push what I'm saying out of the way and continue on. I am giving you reasons why it shouldn't be removed, and you continuously repeat yourself. I hope you have a good day and I hope you are enjoying your time in Chernogorsk, survivor.

They're making Hardcore servers and there has been those servers in the past. But this guy thinks that they shouldn't split them up and everyone should play this way.

I tried reasoning with him, telling him that it's something that is pretty much has to stay in, but he just goes on about how it's bad for the game or destroying it. When it's not. A suggestion can only be taken seriously when it makes sense. Removing third person would take away about 3/4 the population of the game and yet he still wants it taken away? Rediculous... It's there for a reason, and people use it all the time... taking it away is just insane. It would be more game breaking than leaving it in, or even the server issue. It is truly arrogant to believe that taking something that everyone uses away, will make things better. It's not game breaking, nor ruining any ones fun (except for his apparently) to have it in this game. So why take it out? because he doesn't want it in. I tried to have a respectful discussion, but when the other party doesn't think about others. It's difficult to say the least.

I'm not sure how you come to these conclusions, but it's like watching a dog chase it's tail. First person being better is by no means, a fact. It will never be the master of all perspectives. You forget that ArmA was a hardcore mil sim before DayZ was even thought about, and absolutely no one bitched and moaned as bad as you are about third person. They just made their own server and went about their business, never to speak of it again. It's a part of the game, it works for those who like it and yet here you are, saying "it's not my opinion, but I know that first person is better"... how do you know this? because you believe that it would be better for all and no one would complain if they just took third person out. That, is what we call opinion. No matter what you do or how you change the game, people will always kill each other (some even without speaking), there is no way in hell you can stop that and there's sure as hell no way that taking out third person will stop it... People find the game fun, not because it's so close to realism you can practically taste it... that's just stupid. They like it because no matter how you play it, you can have fun. Third person isn't killing the game, things that people like and use that are being removed, is what is killing the game. And at the moment, nothing is killing the game. People play it with the little amount of stuff we have and still have fun. It's not dead nor dying because third person is in it, taking it out would kill it. If those arguments are all that you've heard, then you are ignorant or just haven't read close enough. People prefer third person like you prefer first. I haven't heard much of motion sickness, but I get where they are coming from. I just decrease head bob. Situational Awareness is a biggy. If you wanted true awareness of your surroundings, you'll need your senses about you. You need to hear the things around you, make full use of your eyes, and know what you are standing on or around. The sound quality in this game is kinda bad, but it's improving greatly. To be able to use your eyes to the fullest extent, you need to use your peripheral vision and be able to concentrate on certain things. In order to get peripherals, you'd need to fit 180% into a flat monitor in front of you. that doesn't quite work out. One thing that strikes me as odd is that you complain about third person, and yet in first person you can still zoom with your eyes... now I don't know if it's just me, but I can't zoom with my eyes. In game it is used to resemble your character focussing on something in the distance. Is zooming hardcore realistic? hell no. Is it resembling something that you can do in real life? absolutely. As far as I can tell the only arguments you have for it is; it's realistic, it's fair, it will make the game better, using third person is cheating... all sound like opinion to me You point out that situational awareness isn't a big deal anymore if we just take out third person... I'm a bit confused by this because well, it makes no sense... you mean to say that by taking everyones vision away, the world will be a better place? Imagine this, you are sitting, looking in a direction and someone walks up to your side... a full 90% from you. In real life you could tell someones there, in game you cannot. That could just be a life and death situation, but you chose death. Catch my drift? These little details that they added are to help make up for what a video game cannot. Servers... Servers will always be like this... ALWAYS... you can get a group of people and join a near empty server and loot to your delight, then go to another server. Easy. For people who make private servers, I'm sure it will be like the mod, no connection to the hive. No looting in your own, then joining a public server. As I said before, servers with tons of weapons and vehicles is not idiotic, nor is it destroying the game. It is an adaptation to certain peoples play styles. Some want to get a gun and shoot things, some (like me) just want to drive around all day. You go to those servers and have fun doing what you want. It's not like you can take them with you to another server (unless they're linked). The game has always been on track, but it's people like you who don't want certain things in the game, even though they are a full fledged feature, to be removed that are bumping the game off it's tracks.

I didn't skim at all, I fully understand what you're saying. You want everyone to only have the option of first person because it is "fair". But like I said, that makes you arrogant. You want everyone to change how they play to suit your play style so that you don't have to deal with third person players. You don't care if they like third person, you want it removed because that's how it "should" be according to you. I get that you want it to be a "hardcore simulator", but the truth that the FOV slider is an insta-fix for perspective is somewhat false. You lose perception the higher you get it. It shrinks and distorts your screen so that you can see to your sides on a flat monitor. Third person allows a wider field of view as well as giving a bit more situational awareness If you think that everyone should bow down to the first person players, then you are wrong in every way. I started off playing ARMA 2 and watched as DayZ became what it is today. I was here from the first public release of the mod and I have to say, it's come a long way. I can also say that if it wasn't for third person, I would never have survived multiple situations. Not because I see people around corners or over objects, but because I had more situational awareness. There is no master race in this, no first person or third person side of a war. Everybody has their own way of playing, and if you can't respect that, and can't get over the fact that third person is an option, then don't play the game. You say that not playing is a stupid idea, but I say it suits you. You have no respect for peoples decisions and would rather complain that people use a feature that you don't like. It's in the game and it's not leaving. It's your choice to use it or not. If people want to use it, then they will use it. It's a feature and will be used as such. As for servers, I see no reason why people can't choose to have a different kind of play style. If people want more guns, then give them guns. Odds are that they usually can't get one without dying, or can't keep one in any normal server. If they want a ton of vehicles, let them have vehicles. Personally I hope there are a ton of vehicles because that's how it should be. Tons of vehicles and little gas. First person servers are a kind of rare breed because there aren't many people that hate third person. If you truly wish to argue this point, then please give some good reasons. You wanting it to be a certain way because you feel heavily that it should be that way, is not a good reason.

bind your z key from "prone", to "go prone". voila

I fail to see how having first person only servers are creating problems. It gives people an option. The FOV slider is a great addition to the game, I personally increased it for my game. My "argument" wasn't for or about me, I love first person, but there are people that do love third person. There are people out there that feel more comfortable playing in third person, not because they want to cheat or have a huge advantage or everyone else, but because they like third person. For instance, if people are coming from true MMO's they tend to like third person because they are used to it. If you still hate third person and everyone that uses it, you are truly an arrogant person. Just because you think it's bad, doesn't mean it is. You don't like it? Don't use it. You don't want it to be in the game? Don't play the game. Simple. I am by no means, trying to promote use of one or the other, nor am I trying to put you down in anyway, but if you don't respect other peoples opinions, then your opinion shouldn't deserve respect, fair and square. Rocket has made it easy for people to choose a certain play style, and he fully expects people to use the features given to them, third person being one of them. He has talked about people being able to see around corners with third person before, so he knows it's there. Perhaps a fix will emerge, who knows.

The third person feature is there to help with "peripheral vision". While being able to see behind you or around corners is a major draw back, so is not being able to see things to your sides with out turning your head every which way. If third person is such a big problem, find a first person only server and bam, no longer a problem. For helicopters, I kind of have to agree. I hate when I set up a nice place and I hear a helo fly over and I have to cower in fear in hopes they won't come mow me down. Perhaps a fix would be to make it a rare item. I believe at one point Rocket said that there were certain items that had a certain amount of them spread through out the entirety of the servers, so some servers might never have one at all. Or even have servers that "ban" them. Personally I find them to be good transport, but I wouldn't mind having only cars and trucks. Perhaps taking the mounted MG's away might help.

You can already flip them the bird, you just have to bind the key for it... controls>interaction>taunt

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I didn't choose the server, my friend did, but you are absolutely right... But even with that being true, it's still not cool of anyone to do stuff like that even if they find it hilarious (like I did).

It all began at 11:25 AM Eastern Time. I was driving my Military Offroad on a server that a friend had started on, when I come across a guy running across the street, I pick him up (like the nice guy I am,) He didn't sound that old, so I blew it off thinking it was just another kid. I drove around a bit more till I stopped to look at a bus. As soon as I got out of the Offroad, I noticed something very weird, whenever I looked at him I got a sort of "aimbot" that made me aim at his head whenever I got even close to aiming at him. I confronted him about it and he mumbled about it (I later found out that it was him telling me that HE was the hacker). I messaged everyone in side chat asking if anyone was having the same issue, and soon after I got a message that popped up in the center of my screen saying "shut up n***** " . He asked me if I got it, I said 'no' to be sure that he was the hacker. He then announced (again) that he was the hacker. After I heard this I shot him multiple times with the CZ that I had acquired on my short journey, but it had no effect on him. I jumped into my Offroad and tried to drive off, but was soon bombarded by minigun fire around ground level from his direction. After my death, I announced to the server that he was a hacker and listed off those reasons, and I got a quick reply from ZerteC saying that if I didn't shut up that he would "shut my key" I have no video, nor pictures of this happening Server: DayZChernarus - [500+ Vehicles 20+ Helicopter/Planes][Auto Refuel][increased Barracks][Donator Perks][24/7 Day Server][increased Starting Loadout][RECRUIT] Even if you can't stop this script kiddie. I still think it's a funny story to go in the books.

So, I guess it is ironic that I told you that it's been said before, because I had the same happen to me, but I said it because it sounded a lot like mine. And no, I did not copy other people at all I may have quite similar things, but I didn't copy. Btw, I did not mean to insult you if that is what you got out of it, I wasn't blaming you for anything I was simply informing you. My "thread" : http://dayzmod.com/forum/index.php?/topic/115637-vehicle-suggestion/#entry1092831

I don't mean to be an ass in this particular situation, but this has been discussed, by me as well. It's called "Vehicle Suggestions" , because I go over more than just this, but I go into just as much detail on the locking and hijacking details.